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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "PurplePackerEater" wrote:

    We are a below average football team.
    This man does not want us to lose, nor does he want to be unemployed.
    The problem with the team is poor execution of correct offensive calls (overthrows, fumbles, drops, goal posts) and of course the apathy of some of our offensive linemen. Can we give this man a few years to make us into a competitor?
    Overthrows, fumbles, drops, etc… -that’s just football man. EVERY team deals with them on a weekly basis. What we need are more points on Offense, not more excuses why it can't be done.

    THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES FOR THE VIKINGS PLAY...THEY ARE FACTS.

    I am not just pointing things like this out to be "against the grain" or "the one voice of opposition".
    I have always been supportive of head coaches getting years to turn a franchise around.
    The problem today is fans want to win today.
    I remember Don Shula stating years ago teams just do not want to hold onto coaches anymore and give them something to build on and be proud of.

    I will sum up with this.
    I remember distinctly many moons ago when I was stationed in Ohio while in the Marines.
    I remember listening to some of the sports broadcasters from Columbus or it might have been Cleveland.
    The Cleveland Browns fans hated Bellicheck.
    More then most of you hate Childress.
    There main complaint with Bellichick was his playcalling... so be it I guess.
    That man was run right out of town.
    He went somewhere eventually and was given a chance by an owner.
    I agree that coaches need to be given some time to demonstrate their potential. But, with that time, they still have a job to do and that includes looking competant and showing progress. He can't sit back and wait for 5 or 6 draft and free agency periods to pass before you have the exact players that you want.

    And I don't believe that Childress looks competant and the team deffinitly is not showing progress. In fact, I believe they are regressing and their record is going to show it by years end.
    With a young team that has to play mistake free football those overthrows and drops cost us 2 Ws.
    My take on the offense that Chilly has a definite hand in is how tight the reign is pulled.
    You have a coach that last year made himself in to the hard jiggly butt head coach.
    This year he lightened up with the players.
    This year, he is training the rooks to play within themselves.
    I am guessing late this season, he will loosen the reign and say go play ball.
    I know you all don't want to hear that, and Chilly isn't going to say that for anyone to hear it.
    What if Chilly is setting a firm foundation with the young players.
    What if he is not afraid of being called out on a website.
    What if he has job security and doesn't care about his head coaching record at this time.
    What if he is not egotistical?
    Of course he wants to win but what if he has enough conviction to know what it will take to win in a few years?
    Only time will tell and if those what ifs are true, as a fan you will not be so happy.

    I don't think Chilly looks all that competent yet either.
    But I do know that our record could just as well be 3-1 instead of 1-3.


    Food for thought: All the 4-0 teams have had above average QB play, and we have had two different QBs so far this season.
    None of our QBs are at the level of Romo, Favre, P-Man, or Brady. All these guys are leaders as well as descent QBs.
    To me that the exception to the position would be Romo.
    He was a product of Parcells (ring of fire) who is different that Chilly (teacher).
    Farve and the Pack are the exception to the great team but Favres experience has got him through this point and can make the young WRs look good, he will always get them the ball, they just need to be in the right spot and have the ability to catch it.
    Manning and Brady have great teams and they have the studs that enhance their passing ability and open up the field.
    They all have proven that they can open up the field and you can't stack the box.
    That seems to be the key to winning in the NFL.
    nice post, especially the first part.
    interesting take.

    as for the 2nd part it's very true.
    for all the complaints about qb play for the vikes, if you look around the league there are only so many elite qbs.
    some teams, such as ours, have young qbs hoping to be your future, other teams have guys who just fit a system particularly well, other teams have guys that are probably just bums, and then there are the elite.

    i guess what i'm saying is, if you can't have 1 of the 5 elite qbs in the league you have to get a guy that works for what you wanna do.
    a guy like garcia is working out in tampa, just as brees did last year in new orleans.
    bulger is probably a perfect fit for st louis all these years, but this year they are banged up on the line and he sucks, same for brees.
    and i could probably go through every qb in the league and give a reason for success or failure.
    but as i've said in other threads this is the bed childress has made and he will probably go down with it if it doesn't work.
    i find the what if questions about the guys we could have signed or drafted at qb a little boring cuz we will never know.
    all we can do is watch jackson play, and i'm excited at the prospect of what he may be like by the 2nd half of the season.


    i'm just hoping that holcombs 2 starts were the result of tjacks injury and not a case of chill backtracking already, cuz the benefit of the doubt i'm giving him right now will quickly get flushed down the drain.
    LET THAT WHICH DOES NOT MATTER, TRULY SLIDE

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "PurpleHornsOfDestruction" wrote:
    "vikinggreg" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:

    I will give Childress one thing though. He is a good talent evaluator. Maybe not for his scheme, but he has definitely had two of the better drafts in recent memory.
    Scott Studwell & our team of scouts have a lot to do with the talent selected in that draft as well.

    And don't forget the players Childress also brought in here that are no longer here for obvious reasons.

    Also put Bollinger, Drew Henson & Mike McMahon on that list that the QB guru brought in here.
    I'm starting to wonder about Studwell and our draft picks, how many linebackers have we drafted

    from 92-2002 while he was the player personnel coordinator

    Patrick Chukwurah 5th round
    Antonio Wilson 4th round
    Chris Jones 5th round
    Antico Dalton 6th round
    Kailee Wong 2nd round drafted as a DE
    Kivuusama Mays 4th round
    Chester Burnett 7th round
    Dwayne Rudd 1st round
    Artie Ulmer 7th round
    John Solomon 6th round
    Jose White 7th round
    Pete Bercich 7th round
    Ashley Sheppard 4th round
    Ed McDaniel 5th round

    and 2002 to present while director of college scouting

    Dontarrious Thomas 2nd round
    Rod Davis 5th round
    E.J. Henderson 2nd round
    Michael Nattiel 6th round
    Raonall Smith 2nd round
    Nick Rogers 6th round

    or some other higher round picks on the D line under his watch

    Fernando Smith DE 2nd round 94
    Derrick Alexander DE 1st round 95 ouch
    Duane Clemons DE 1st round 96
    James Manley DT 2nd round 96
    Stalin Colinet DE 3rd round 97
    Ramos Macdonald 3rd round 98
    Dimitrus Underwood DE 1st round 99 bigger ouch
    Chris Hovan DT 1st round 2000
    Fred Robbins DT 2nd round 2000
    Michael Boireau DE 2nd round 2000
    Willie Howard DT 2nd round 2001
    Shawn Worthen DT 4th round 2001

    Some of the defensive players have done well as starts, others as special team contributors and many didn't cut it.

    Udeze and James have had injuries, Edwards and Scott are getting in there but Kevin Williams is the only current
    probowler on the defense the Vikes have drafted.

    I might be wrong though may be Studwell scouted in Randy Moss, Robert Smith and Daunte Culpepper and steered clear of the defensive side of the draft

    You may be right but so what if he drafted offensive. That shows balance in his scouting. Plus Last year. Linebacker
    Chad Greenway 1st round.


    I think the players are coming to respect him.
    He isn't throwing any of the players under the bus.
    Two words. Brad Johnson.

    Sorry, that was a little sarcasm, I don't think Studwell drafted offense, and yes Chad was a good pick. Most 1st round pick are solid, its the 3rd to 5th picks were the scouts earn the real money.
    What I am saying the Vikes haven't had real good luck in the draft since they gave away picks for Walker and many players haven't stuck with the team. Scott has been a long standing member of the draft process and he was a key to the defense when he played but there are a lot of misses on the draft board on the defensive side. I would think picking D linemen and LB's would be his strong suit.

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "PurplePackerEater" wrote:

    We are a below average football team.
    This man does not want us to lose, nor does he want to be unemployed.
    The problem with the team is poor execution of correct offensive calls (overthrows, fumbles, drops, goal posts) and of course the apathy of some of our offensive linemen. Can we give this man a few years to make us into a competitor?
    Overthrows, fumbles, drops, etc… -that’s just football man. EVERY team deals with them on a weekly basis. What we need are more points on Offense, not more excuses why it can't be done.

    THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES FOR THE VIKINGS PLAY...THEY ARE FACTS.

    I am not just pointing things like this out to be "against the grain" or "the one voice of opposition".
    I have always been supportive of head coaches getting years to turn a franchise around.
    The problem today is fans want to win today.
    I remember Don Shula stating years ago teams just do not want to hold onto coaches anymore and give them something to build on and be proud of.

    I will sum up with this.
    I remember distinctly many moons ago when I was stationed in Ohio while in the Marines.
    I remember listening to some of the sports broadcasters from Columbus or it might have been Cleveland.
    The Cleveland Browns fans hated Bellicheck.
    More then most of you hate Childress.
    There main complaint with Bellichick was his playcalling... so be it I guess.
    That man was run right out of town.
    He went somewhere eventually and was given a chance by an owner.
    I agree that coaches need to be given some time to demonstrate their potential. But, with that time, they still have a job to do and that includes looking competant and showing progress. He can't sit back and wait for 5 or 6 draft and free agency periods to pass before you have the exact players that you want.

    And I don't believe that Childress looks competant and the team deffinitly is not showing progress. In fact, I believe they are regressing and their record is going to show it by years end.
    With a young team that has to play mistake free football those overthrows and drops cost us 2 Ws.
    My take on the offense that Chilly has a definite hand in is how tight the reign is pulled.
    You have a coach that last year made himself in to the hard ass head coach.
    This year he lightened up with the players.
    This year, he is training the rooks to play within themselves.
    I am guessing late this season, he will loosen the reign and say go play ball.
    I know you all don't want to hear that, and Chilly isn't going to say that for anyone to hear it.
    What if Chilly is setting a firm foundation with the young players.
    What if he is not afraid of being called out on a website.
    What if he has job security and doesn't care about his head coaching record at this time.
    What if he is not egotistical?
    Of course he wants to win but what if he has enough conviction to know what it will take to win in a few years?
    Only time will tell and if those what ifs are true, as a fan you will not be so happy.

    I don't think Chilly looks all that competent yet either.
    But I do know that our record could just as well be 3-1 instead of 1-3.


    Food for thought: All the 4-0 teams have had above average QB play, and we have had two different QBs so far this season.
    None of our QBs are at the level of Romo, Favre, P-Man, or Brady. All these guys are leaders as well as descent QBs.
    To me that the exception to the position would be Romo.
    He was a product of Parcells (ring of fire) who is different that Chilly (teacher).
    Farve and the Pack are the exception to the great team but Favres experience has got him through this point and can make the young WRs look good, he will always get them the ball, they just need to be in the right spot and have the ability to catch it.
    Manning and Brady have great teams and they have the studs that enhance their passing ability and open up the field.
    They all have proven that they can open up the field and you can't stack the box.
    That seems to be the key to winning in the NFL.
    Wow, you believe that 1 incomplete pass in the first half can lose a game?

    I'm speechless.

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "PurplePackerEater" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    "PurplePackerEater" wrote:

    We are a below average football team.
    This man does not want us to lose, nor does he want to be unemployed.
    The problem with the team is poor execution of correct offensive calls (overthrows, fumbles, drops, goal posts) and of course the apathy of some of our offensive linemen. Can we give this man a few years to make us into a competitor?
    Overthrows, fumbles, drops, etc… -that’s just football man. EVERY team deals with them on a weekly basis. What we need are more points on Offense, not more excuses why it can't be done.

    THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES FOR THE VIKINGS PLAY...THEY ARE FACTS.

    I am not just pointing things like this out to be "against the grain" or "the one voice of opposition".
    I have always been supportive of head coaches getting years to turn a franchise around.
    The problem today is fans want to win today.
    I remember Don Shula stating years ago teams just do not want to hold onto coaches anymore and give them something to build on and be proud of.

    I will sum up with this.
    I remember distinctly many moons ago when I was stationed in Ohio while in the Marines.
    I remember listening to some of the sports broadcasters from Columbus or it might have been Cleveland.
    The Cleveland Browns fans hated Bellicheck.
    More then most of you hate Childress.
    There main complaint with Bellichick was his playcalling... so be it I guess.
    That man was run right out of town.
    He went somewhere eventually and was given a chance by an owner.
    I agree that coaches need to be given some time to demonstrate their potential. But, with that time, they still have a job to do and that includes looking competant and showing progress. He can't sit back and wait for 5 or 6 draft and free agency periods to pass before you have the exact players that you want.

    And I don't believe that Childress looks competant and the team deffinitly is not showing progress. In fact, I believe they are regressing and their record is going to show it by years end.
    With a young team that has to play mistake free football those overthrows and drops cost us 2 Ws.
    My take on the offense that Chilly has a definite hand in is how tight the reign is pulled.
    You have a coach that last year made himself in to the hard jiggly butt head coach.
    This year he lightened up with the players.
    This year, he is training the rooks to play within themselves.
    I am guessing late this season, he will loosen the reign and say go play ball.
    I know you all don't want to hear that, and Chilly isn't going to say that for anyone to hear it.
    What if Chilly is setting a firm foundation with the young players.
    What if he is not afraid of being called out on a website.
    What if he has job security and doesn't care about his head coaching record at this time.
    What if he is not egotistical?
    Of course he wants to win but what if he has enough conviction to know what it will take to win in a few years?
    Only time will tell and if those what ifs are true, as a fan you will not be so happy.

    I don't think Chilly looks all that competent yet either.
    But I do know that our record could just as well be 3-1 instead of 1-3.


    Food for thought: All the 4-0 teams have had above average QB play, and we have had two different QBs so far this season.
    None of our QBs are at the level of Romo, Favre, P-Man, or Brady. All these guys are leaders as well as descent QBs.
    To me that the exception to the position would be Romo.
    He was a product of Parcells (ring of fire) who is different that Chilly (teacher).
    Farve and the Pack are the exception to the great team but Favres experience has got him through this point and can make the young WRs look good, he will always get them the ball, they just need to be in the right spot and have the ability to catch it.
    Manning and Brady have great teams and they have the studs that enhance their passing ability and open up the field.
    They all have proven that they can open up the field and you can't stack the box.
    That seems to be the key to winning in the NFL.
    Wow, you believe that 1 incomplete pass in the first half can lose a game?

    I'm speechless.
    not for nothing PPE, but any one play can lose a game if its close.
    even if it does happen on the 1st drive of a game.
    cuz for a team like us we may not have a play that open again
    LET THAT WHICH DOES NOT MATTER, TRULY SLIDE

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "PurplePackerEater" wrote:

    Pretty much no off field problems with our players to this date.
    Thumbs up to new coaching staff.
    There’s been a few...

    Troy (I can’t catch a deep ball but I can catch a fist) Williamson at the Myth, Kevin Williams domestic with his wife, Cedric Griffin’s Disorderly at the Spin nightclub, Koren Robinson’s DWI, and then (the slap in the face) Fred Evens SIGNED by Childress AFTER having off the field problems. There might be more, I can’t remember everything.
    Dwight Smith's sex on the stairwell.

    Coach Joe Woods DUI

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    Childress Pros:

    I think the players are coming to respect him.
    He isn't throwing any of the players under the bus.
    I can think of 5 without even thinking.

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "enlvikeman" wrote:
    I thought I would bring this up.
    I'm not gonna go tit for tat with the Childress haters here because number 1, I am without a doubt outnumbered...2 I understand the hatred for Childress.
    He's an easy target right now.
    I love the Vikings too, however I try to stay realistic.


    Childress did not run this orginization into the ground.
    The Minnesota Vikings were the most scandel ridden team in the nfl with Tice's exodus.


    The Minnesota vikings had just lost both of their superstars prior to Childress's arrival.

    The Minnesota vikings had run the same offense from 1991 to 2005 (Or Green to Tice).
    This is rare...and your talking a huge overhaul.

    Childress inherits a below average football team.
    Devoid of any type of superstar player in any position.
    This is completley different from the Chargers situation where you have new coaches dragging a good team into the dirt.
    I can understand Charger fans disdain...but not ours.

    Pretty much no off field problems with our players to this date.
    Thumbs up to new coaching staff.

    Minnesota goes after players in free agency like never before.
    Paying to get the best guard in football.
    Leber, Longwell etc.
    Offers to other players are unsuccessful (like Kevin Curtis)

    Minnesota has the best draft in recent years under Childress.
    Fans happy...fans love Childress.

    Brad Childress is not paying Mckinnie to play like he makes the league minimum.

    Brad Childress is not paying Ryan Longwell to miss game winning field goals in a dome.

    Brad Childress did not draft Troy williamson.
    Actually the people he has brought in via free agency/draft can actually catch.

    We are a below average football team.
    This man does not want us to lose, nor does he want to be unemployed.
    The problem with the team is poor execution of correct offensive calls (overthrows, fumbles, drops, goal posts) and of course the apathy of some of our offensive linemen. Can we give this man a few years to make us into a competitor?

    THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES FOR THE VIKINGS PLAY...THEY ARE FACTS.
    I am not just pointing things like this out to be "against the grain" or "the one voice of opposition".
    I have always been supportive of head coaches getting years to turn a franchise around.
    The problem today is fans want to win today.
    I remember Don Shula stating years ago teams just do not want to hold onto coaches anymore and give them something to build on and be proud of.

    I will sum up with this.
    I remember distinctly many moons ago when I was stationed in Ohio while in the Marines.
    I remember listening to some of the sports broadcasters from Columbus or it might have been Cleveland.
    The Cleveland Browns fans hated Bellicheck.
    More then most of you hate Childress.
    There main complaint with Bellichick was his playcalling...so be it I guess.
    That man was run right out of town.
    He went somewhere eventually and was given a chance by an owner.
    I guess Tice must have been a football genius then. He went 9-7 with a below average football team.
    Devoid of any type of superstar player in any position in 2005. The Minnesota Vikings were the most scandel ridden team in the nfl. All those off the feild distractions and they still managed to win more games than they lost. Childress is what everyone thought Tice was.

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "Jeremy" wrote:

    I guess Tice must have been a football genius then. He went 9-7 with a below average football team.
    Devoid of any type of superstar player in any position in 2005. The Minnesota Vikings were the most scandel ridden team in the nfl. All those off the feild distractions and they still managed to win more games than they lost. Childress is what everyone thought Tice was.
    Childress is a man of integrity, Tice is not.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re: Alert: Non Childress hater here!

    "Prophet" wrote:
    "Jeremy" wrote:

    I guess Tice must have been a football genius then. He went 9-7 with a below average football team.
    Devoid of any type of superstar player in any position in 2005. The Minnesota Vikings were the most scandel ridden team in the nfl. All those off the feild distractions and they still managed to win more games than they lost. Childress is what everyone thought Tice was.
    Childress is a man of integrity, Tice is not.
    Nice, we're turing into good little losing Christians.

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    "Jeremy" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "Jeremy" wrote:

    I guess Tice must have been a football genius then. He went 9-7 with a below average football team.
    Devoid of any type of superstar player in any position in 2005. The Minnesota Vikings were the most scandel ridden team in the nfl. All those off the feild distractions and they still managed to win more games than they lost. Childress is what everyone thought Tice was.
    Childress is a man of integrity, Tice is not.
    Nice, we're turing into good little losing Christians.
    I have no idea what that is suppose to mean.
    If you like Tice, then more power to you.
    I'm sure the other six teams that needed a head coach when he was available didn't take him as HC because their professional coaching staffs know less about football than the average fan.
    You have me convinced, Tice is a great coach.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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