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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    "gagarr" wrote:
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    I will tell you guys something.
    If we don't sure up that defensive secondary and our linebacker play, we will not go very far in the playoffs.
    Rodgers should never have passed for over 300 yards on us.
    That is a problem.
    What happens when we get against the Giants?
    I actually believe we can beat them.
    But we shouldn't be having the trouble we had on defense.
    Needs a lot of work.
    Agreed, giving up the big plays to the TE's is horrible.
    Finley and Lee were thrown to 12 times with 10 receptions for 156 yds.
    Just like with Davis last week our coverage of TE's is killing us.
    Is it poor LB or SS play?
    Or is it just bad communication leaving a big hole in the zone?

    I think Griffen and Winfield did a good job with Jennings and Driver thrown to 12 times, 7 receptions for only 86 yds.

    Things need to be fixed, but Vikes DB will always look bad because teams can't run so they pass.
    It is good quarterbacking and a bad defense call.
    JMHO!

    On one of those last shots to Finnely, it was a stunt and shift of the LBs. The LBs were on the line and they drop back and try to cover area.
    I remember one scenario where Leber and EJ blitzed.
    Greenway shifted all the way from his side to the opposite side of the field and then quickly scooted back into coverage.
    He was inbetween the TE lane and the WR lane.
    The pass was completed to the TE for a nice gain.

    We are doing different things on D and they are not working like we want them to.
    I think we were trying to take the WRs out of the game and we gave them the TEs thinking they wouldn't out run us.
    Might need to rethink the TE thing for next time.


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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    Back on track about the part two encore in a few weeks.

    Favre could top last night by doing the Randy Moss in the end zone.

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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    "snowinapril" wrote:
    ...Favre could top last night by doing the Randy Moss in the end zone.
    That would be hilarious.
    He may need bodyguards, there are many cheeseheads that are a few tacos short of a combination plate.
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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    With the TEs it all depends on the team you are playing.
    The next two games we wont be killed by a TE.
    However when we play Steelers theirs is another good one.
    We are playing solid coverage on WRs, but leaving a big hole in the middle of the field with a deep safety.
    On Finnely's long reception E.J. slipped and fell or he could have made the tackle at about the 20.


    But I do agree about switching teh defensive scheme from a 4-3 when your front 4 are getting pressure.
    Put in another DB.
    However, the problem is Finnley presents a lot of matchup problems.
    But we got a couple weeks to figure it out.

    But our defense is playing well right now.
    #1 in the league right now in 3rd down stops....which means they are playing well on 1st and 2nd down.
    Dont be too critical.

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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    "duvaldomo" wrote:
    "vike_mike" wrote:
    I will tell you guys something.
    If we don't sure up that defensive secondary and our linebacker play, we will not go very far in the playoffs.
    Rodgers should never have passed for over 300 yards on us.
    That is a problem.
    What happens when we get against the Giants?
    I actually believe we can beat them.
    But we shouldn't be having the trouble we had on defense.
    Needs a lot of work.
    look at this guy ranting after a win.. sad. I agree we need alot of work but nothin game filming cant help
    Since when do we call pointing out obvious issues with this team ranting?
    Must we all drink of the purple coolaid and sing happy happy songs?
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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "duvaldomo" wrote:
    "vike_mike" wrote:
    I will tell you guys something.
    If we don't sure up that defensive secondary and our linebacker play, we will not go very far in the playoffs.
    Rodgers should never have passed for over 300 yards on us.
    That is a problem.
    What happens when we get against the Giants?
    I actually believe we can beat them.
    But we shouldn't be having the trouble we had on defense.
    Needs a lot of work.
    look at this guy ranting after a win.. sad. I agree we need alot of work but nothin game filming cant help
    Since when do we call pointing out obvious issues with this team ranting?
    Must we all drink of the purple coolaid and sing happy happy songs?
    Yes.
    There are way too many opportunities in the past five decades when the koolaid had no sugar and it was warm.
    I will enjoy the sweetened koolaid on the rocks as long as it is available.
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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    I'm most worried about the state of the Vikings going into Lamboo, given the next 3 games.

    Hopefully, against the Rams, the Vikes can start fast and build a HUGE lead early so some of the starters can rest.


    The physical Ravens are next up, and their 3-4 is not a weak a$$ Capers 3-4.
    Ray Lewis will have Favre in his sights for sure, if AD doesn't get going.
    IMO, Vikes should win, but it won't be easy.

    Unfortunately, the next game is going to be more physical, going into Pittsburg.
    Pittsburg at the end of Oct isn't Cleveland in Sept.
    So weather can be a huge factor, especially against another expert 3-4 D.
    Also, there's a good chance Palamalu will be back by that time.
    This will be a true test of the Vikes.

    I really hope the Vikes win at least 2 or the 3, because a 6-1 record ensures the Vikes won't lose 1st place in the division.

    Because having just played 2 very physical games its into Lamboo facing Packers who last 3 weeks were bye, Lions, @Browns, so it will be shocking if they aren't 4-2 and well rested.

    IMO, winning this game is going to be near impossible to do.
    The Packers are going to be rested and most likely be riding a 2 game blowout winning streak and the Vikes will be exhausted and beat up, with a possiblility of a 2 game losing streak.
    The Pack isn't better, it's just the condition the two teams will be in.

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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore

    "gagarr" wrote:
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    Honestly there wasn't anything dazzling about this game... Minnesota dominated both the offensive and defensive lines. They garnished 8 sacks, and honestly this was still a 14 point game without the kaka del rio strip call that should have been blown dead.
    we were also a dropped TD from losing that game.
    Donald Lee's drop would have tied the game and also wouldn't have had the Vikings starting a drive from the 1yd line.
    That drive from the 1yd line went 41 yds before stalling.
    I imagine the Vikes would have been able to score on the drive if it started from the 20 from a GB kickoff.
    Thus, Vikes win anyway.

    As for the OL dominating....
    if they did where was the running game?
    GB's front 7 were focused on stopping the run.
    Getting to Favre was secondary.
    They run blitzed ensuring gap dicipline incase it was a run, not much overloading or stunts.
    They were relying on Favre to do something stupid or our receivers to drop the ball like last week.
    If either happened Vikes would have lost the game.
    Plus the Vikings would have gone into the Prevent Defense and not run all three downs and punt... we would have probably scored again. but ifs are just ifs

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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

    "Prophet" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:
    ...Favre could top last night by doing the Randy Moss in the end zone.
    That would be hilarious.
    He may need bodyguards, there are many cheeseheads that are a few tacos short of a combination plate.
    the packer fans would never notice what he was doing all they'd say is " gee Hun Brett is winking at us "...
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    Re: After a dazzling Round 1, what do the Vikings and Packers have for an encore?

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    Back on track about the part two encore in a few weeks.

    Favre could top last night by doing the Randy Moss in the end zone.
    I'll simply take a blow out... embarassing a team, especially a rival, an in division rival, on their field... I like it...

    Frankly, I believe the Vikings have more to learn from last night's game than the Packers do.
    The Vikes were stupid on D... trying to bring blitzes and other funky stuff with our LBs.
    Frankly, it wasn't needed, our D Line was dominating the LOS, let them do their job.
    All the fancy crap was costing us on screens, draws, and throws to the TE.
    I believe the game tape will show Frazier that.
    Jam the WRs, make AaRod hold the ball for a few seconds and see if our D Line can get to him.

    I'm not sure what GB learns from this game.
    They had a huge night on O so they aren't going to do much better in GB.
    Their O Line is a mess and will be for quite some time, watching game film isn't going to help that much.
    Their D did what they wanted to, slowed AD down.
    They committed to doing it daring Favre to beat them through the air, he did.
    Their D isn't good enough to stop both the run and the pass but they may back the emphasis off stopping the run a little to see if they can still contain AD while slowing down the pass (a big mistake if they try IMO).

    I do believe the Vikes Offense is as scary as we all hoped it would be with a passing attack.
    Sure, people can shut down AD, but Favre will eat their lunch.
    People complained about our play calling but I believe we've scored at least 28 points in all 4 games this year.
    I'd still like to see some counters and a few more 2 RB sets but frankly we're moving the ball and scoring and that matters a lot more than my loveseat QB'ing of our play calling.

    I expect the Vikes to beat the Pack handily in GB as they shore up a few weaknesses on D and run a better defensive gameplan.
    I expect AD will have a better game though it'll be modest.
    He'll likely be coached to take the 3 tough yards instead of always bouncing outside.
    That will help slow those LBs down even more.
    I expect Favre and his WRs to be even more in sync in another month (Berrian OOB and Rice not expecting a pass this week shouldn't happen again in a month).
    At the same time, GB's D may get a bit tighter but their O won't change much.
    I say Vikes are ahead now in preparation and execution and will simply be further ahead in 4 weeks.
    Go Vikes!
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