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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    3 out of his 847 pass attempts had a gain of 60+ yards

    None of them went for a touchdown.

    He has not thrown a TD pass from outside the redzone since 2011.
    You might want to touch base with espn and their version of Ponder's stat under splits , they do show he had one last year and this year field position opp 49-20

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    the guy is bad enough on his own but some stat double checking can be done on some of the bolder statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikinggreg View Post
    You might want to touch base with espn and their version of Ponder's stat under splits , they do show he had one last year and this year field position opp 49-20

    The guy is bad enough on his own but some stat double checking can be done on some of the bolder statements
    That is just sad.

    Last season, Ponder had one touchdown from the opponents 49-20 and no home run balls from inside Vikings territory. Adrian Petterson had four home runs from Vikings territory including runs of 82 and 74 yards.

    This season, Adrian Petterson has two home run touchdowns from Vikingland, and Christian Ponder has none in three games. Matt "The Grinch" Cassel has one in one game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikinggreg View Post
    You might want to touch base with espn and their version of Ponder's stat under splits , they do show he had one last year and this year field position opp 49-20

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    the guy is bad enough on his own but some stat double checking can be done on some of the bolder statements
    I think you're the one who needs to revisit the stats & double check them.

    ESPN is the one I used. I start with the "BY PASS PLAY" split stat which shows how far the ball was thrown & if there were TD's.

    Yes he has thrown 2 TD's within the opponents 49-20. They were from the opponents 20, which is the redzone.

    The red zone refers to the last 20 yards before the end zone on the football field.
    Red Zone - What is the Red Zone In Football?

    He's thrown 2 TD's this year, 1 was a 4 yarder to AD. The 2nd was this one.

    Kyle Rudolph 20 Yd Pass From Christian Ponder (Blair Walsh Kick)
    Minnesota Vikings vs. Chicago Bears - Box Score - September 15, 2013 - ESPN

    As to last year, I haven't dug out the exact game, but this should clear it up regarding 2012;

    Perhaps most surprising was that Ponder threw 18 red zone touchdowns, which tied him for eighth among NFL QBs.
    Scout.com: Ponder produces best in the red zone

    Now, using the same source, anyone can see Ponder only threw 18 TD's last year.
    Christian Ponder Stats - Minnesota Vikings - ESPN

    If he only threw 18 of them & all 18 were in the redzone, then simple math shows 0 of them were thrown from outside the redzone.

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    I went back & found the TD pass fron 2012 that was from the opponents 20 (redzone)
    Kyle Rudolph 20 Yd Pass From Christian Ponder (Adrian Peterson Run For Two-Point Conversion)
    Detroit Lions vs. Minnesota Vikings - Box Score - November 11, 2012 - ESPN
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikinggreg View Post
    You might want to touch base with espn and their version of Ponder's stat under splits , they do show he had one last year and this year field position opp 49-20
    Ha! Yep and both were exactly 20 yards, or the bare minimum for that category.

    Week 13, December 4th 2011 vs Denver (The Tebow game) was the last time Ponder had a TD pass from outside the RZ. He had 2 outside the RZ TD passes in that game, however the 52 yarder was an 8 yard pass that PH took to the house, and the 48 yarder was a 2 yard pass that PH took to the house. He's had 665 pass attempts since. Has he even had a TD pass that went longer than 20 yards in the air in his career?

    But to steer this back to AD, AD has had 6 home runs from outside the RZ since the Broncos game. And don't forget, he also had a 78 yard run at Seattle that wasn't a TD. He's had a few 50+ yard runs that haven't gone for TD's.

    Longest TD's since Ponders last outside the RZ TD vs Denver ...

    65 yard TD run by Webb 2011 week 14 at DET
    23 yard TD run by Ponder 2012 week 3 vs SF
    105 yard TD KR by Harving 2012 week 4 at DET
    77 yard TD PR by Sherels 2012 week 4 at DET
    31 yard TD INT by Smith 2012 week 7 vs ARZ
    64 yard TD run by Peterson 2012 week 8 vs TB
    61 yard TD run by Peterson 2012 week 10 vs DET
    82 yard TD run by Peterson 2012 week 13 at GB
    56 yard TD INT by Smith 2012 week 14 vs CHI
    82 yard TD run by Peterson 2012 week 15 at STL
    29 yard TD INT by Griffen 2012 week 15 at STL
    50 yard TD pass by Webb (to Jenkins) 2012 playoffs at GB
    78 yard TD run by Peterson 2013 week 1 at DET
    105 yard TD KR by Patterson 2013 week 2 at CHI
    61 yard TD fumble by Robison 2013 week 2 at CHI
    70 yard TD pass by Cassel (to Jennings) 2013 week 4 vs PIT
    60 yard TD run by Peterson 2013 week 4 PIT
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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    I think you're the one who needs to revisit the stats & double check them.

    ESPN is the one I used. I start with the "BY PASS PLAY" split stat which shows how far the ball was thrown & if there were TD's.

    Yes he has thrown 2 TD's within the opponents 49-20. They were from the opponents 20, which is the redzone.


    Red Zone - What is the Red Zone In Football?

    He's thrown 2 TD's this year, 1 was a 4 yarder to AD. The 2nd was this one.


    Minnesota Vikings vs. Chicago Bears - Box Score - September 15, 2013 - ESPN

    As to last year, I haven't dug out the exact game, but this should clear it up regarding 2012;


    Scout.com: Ponder produces best in the red zone

    Now, using the same source, anyone can see Ponder only threw 18 TD's last year.
    Christian Ponder Stats - Minnesota Vikings - ESPN

    If he only threw 18 of them & all 18 were in the redzone, then simple math shows 0 of them were thrown from outside the redzone.

    EDIT:

    I went back & found the TD pass fron 2012 that was from the opponents 20 (redzone)

    Detroit Lions vs. Minnesota Vikings - Box Score - November 11, 2012 - ESPN
    guess you're right I've always viewed the redzone as being inside the 20 but clearly the Vikings were on the 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    3 out of his 847 pass attempts had a gain of 60+ yards

    None of them went for a touchdown.

    He has not thrown a TD pass from outside the redzone since 2011.
    he also had 258 completions that were from the opponents 20 and beyond that did go for td's, at some point doesn't the reflect on the receiving corps in ability to make a play too, Peterson is taking the ball behind the los and defenses do key on him, do we also point at Percy Harvin last season (well his 9 games) since he didn't have any offensive td's over 20 yards too

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikinggreg View Post
    he also had 258 completions that were from the opponents 20 and beyond that did go for td's, at some point doesn't the reflect on the receiving corps in ability to make a play too
    Probably, but it helps if a QB can hit the receivers in stride, on target, and on time. Ponder is always late, and throws it soft which allows a defender to close, and is rarely hitting a guy on the numbers. Look what Cassel did vs the Steelers with the same receivers. His quick on target throws were allowing our receivers to make a move and rack up some YAC.

    That quick hitch to Jennings that went for a 70 yard TD is an example. If Ponder makes that same throw he's probably late and "floats" a careful pass to Jennings. Jennings is then immediately tackled for an 8 yard gain, or the defender makes a play. Cassel read it quick and threw a fastball, before the defense could react Jennings was on the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reignman View Post
    Probably, but it helps if a QB can hit the receivers in stride, on target, and on time. Ponder is always late, and throws it soft which allows a defender to close, and is rarely hitting a guy on the numbers. Look what Cassel did vs the Steelers with the same receivers. His quick on target throws were allowing our receivers to make a move and rack up some YAC.

    That quick hitch to Jennings that went for a 70 yard TD is an example. If Ponder makes that same throw he's probably late and "floats" a careful pass to Jennings. Jennings is then immediately tackled for an 8 yard gain, or the defender makes a play. Cassel read it quick and threw a fastball, before the defense could react Jennings was on the move.
    Yes Ponders placement does have a fair bit to do with it but where is the ball place when Harvin of Peterson are running last year, Harvin's longest run last year was 20 yards...I'd also look at where 2 of the receivers last year are playing this year, Aromashodu and Jenkins.....heck Jenkins had a 72 pass in 2011 against the Packers...not a td, not really sure how that's Ponders fault....the 3 plays that were referred to earlier that were over 60 yards and weren't td's were not thrown 60 yards in the air and a bit off target...this is Ponder we are talking about, there is a huge chunck of yardage being run here and guys are being caught or going out of bounds like Jenkins 72 yard catch again the packers in 2011, that wasn't an off target 70 yard bomb from Ponder. I do agree Ponder sucks and does NOT have a big play home run ability in the passing game but if a receiver has already gone over 50 yards with the ball he has already caught it and exceeded Ponders range in the passing game...that's it and then he has to do something with his own ability.

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