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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

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    As to the rankings.......Who gives a squat were our players rank. Those things are all about the "Individual" and are absolutely worthless when it comes to the ultimate "Team" sport.
    Can't see it.
    it's a face-palm...he's implying that the guy who trots out stat after stat and ranking after ranking is now saying we should ignore stats and rankings....

    Oh the irony.

    Caine
    Comeon, bleed isn't that complex.

    Besides, that same guy is the one who has repeatedly said that individual awards such as Probowls, MVP's etc are to be ignored. None of them (as is the case with stats) can't be achieve alone.

    Trying to say one guy is better than next in things like this has always been a sore subject with me.
    You seem like you would do well in a Communist country. Where nobody is better than anybody else, everyone is in equal poverty.
    LOL. Well played.

    Seriously though, you've been around here long enough to know I hate these things that put one player above the other, or things like MVP or Probowl voting.

    One thing that I did like about the top 100 was that they took the chuckle head fans out of the equation.
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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099104
    One thing that I did like about the top 100 was that they took the chuckle head fans out of the equation.
    Except the guys doing the voting are no better.

    Yes, takes away alot of the popularity vote aspect of it, but they have to think.

    The top 100 contest was for 2010 ONLY. There were paid analyists saying that guys like Arian Foster have not been around long enough to be rated highly on the list. Are you serious? It's a one-year snapshot of player talent.

    It's not who's the best overall player, it's not who has the best career. It's who were the best players in 2010, but guys still fail to grasp that point.

    Another example, they still knock on Peterson's fumbling ability, it's as if they forgot 2010 actually happened.

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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099104
    One thing that I did like about the top 100 was that they took the chuckle head fans out of the equation.
    Except the guys doing the voting are no better.

    Yes, takes away alot of the popularity vote aspect of it, but they have to think.

    The top 100 contest was for 2010 ONLY. There were paid analyists saying that guys like Arian Foster have not been around long enough to be rated highly on the list. Are you serious? It's a one-year snapshot of player talent.

    It's not who's the best overall player, it's not who has the best career. It's who were the best players in 2010, but guys still fail to grasp that point.

    Another example, they still knock on Peterson's fumbling ability, it's as if they forgot 2010 actually happened.
    Are you saying paid analysts had a say in this list?
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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1099106
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    One thing that I did like about the top 100 was that they took the chuckle head fans out of the equation.
    Except the guys doing the voting are no better.

    Yes, takes away alot of the popularity vote aspect of it, but they have to think.

    The top 100 contest was for 2010 ONLY. There were paid analyists saying that guys like Arian Foster have not been around long enough to be rated highly on the list. Are you serious? It's a one-year snapshot of player talent.

    It's not who's the best overall player, it's not who has the best career. It's who were the best players in 2010, but guys still fail to grasp that point.

    Another example, they still knock on Peterson's fumbling ability, it's as if they forgot 2010 actually happened.
    Are you saying paid analysts had a say in this list?
    No, I believe it was all players correct?

    However, watch the NFLN or the show where they announce the top-100 players, and as they discuss the list, they come off as sounding like complete morons at times. The players are a bit better, but still quite off.

    Example. Donovan McNabb even making the list. He had an awful 2010, but somehow still made the top-100 players of 2010.

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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

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    One thing that I did like about the top 100 was that they took the chuckle head fans out of the equation.
    Except the guys doing the voting are no better.

    Yes, takes away alot of the popularity vote aspect of it, but they have to think.

    The top 100 contest was for 2010 ONLY. There were paid analyists saying that guys like Arian Foster have not been around long enough to be rated highly on the list. Are you serious? It's a one-year snapshot of player talent.

    It's not who's the best overall player, it's not who has the best career. It's who were the best players in 2010, but guys still fail to grasp that point.

    Another example, they still knock on Peterson's fumbling ability, it's as if they forgot 2010 actually happened.
    Are you saying paid analysts had a say in this list?
    No, I believe it was all players correct?

    However, watch the NFLN or the show where they announce the top-100 players, and as they discuss the list, they come off as sounding like complete morons at times. The players are a bit better, but still quite off.

    Example. Donovan McNabb even making the list. He had an awful 2010, but somehow still made the top-100 players of 2010.
    It was the players and the players, if I understand it correctly, didn't base their rankings just on stats.

    The announcers and sports hacks are the ones that ref those things as possible reasons the players ranked them the way they did.

    I think the players ranked them based on the players past and present body of work as a whole and not just on 2010 play.

    To think the players didn't take history into their thinking is kindof out there.
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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099112
    It was the players and the players, if I understand it correctly, didn't base their rankings just on stats.

    The announcers and sports hacks are the ones that ref those things as possible reasons the players ranked them the way they did.

    I think the players ranked them based on the players past and present body of work as a whole and not just on 2010 play.

    To think the players didn't take history into their thinking is kindof out there.
    And you have to admit, alot of them aren't that bright.

    The point of the list was top-100 of 2010. Not top 100 players on a roster during 2010. They advertise it as "watch as we countdown the top-100 performances of 2010"

    People have been putting too much stock into a players past, wheras the point of the list was LAST Year. If A rookie had the best season ever in the history of the league, he deserves to be #1, despite the fact he had no history.

    yes, the past will play a part, in that for a guy like Peterson, even though statistically he didn't have a standout season, his skills and ability he's shown make him one of the best players in the league, and a guy nobody wants to face.

    For McNabb, Shanahan didn't even think he was the best quarterback on that team, nevermind a top-100 NFL player.

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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099112
    It was the players and the players, if I understand it correctly, didn't base their rankings just on stats.

    The announcers and sports hacks are the ones that ref those things as possible reasons the players ranked them the way they did.

    I think the players ranked them based on the players past and present body of work as a whole and not just on 2010 play.

    To think the players didn't take history into their thinking is kindof out there.
    And you have to admit, alot of them aren't that bright.

    The point of the list was top-100 of 2010. Not top 100 players on a roster during 2010. They advertise it as "watch as we countdown the top-100 performances of 2010"

    People have been putting too much stock into a players past, wheras the point of the list was LAST Year. If A rookie had the best season ever in the history of the league, he deserves to be #1, despite the fact he had no history.

    yes, the past will play a part, in that for a guy like Peterson, even though statistically he didn't have a standout season, his skills and ability he's shown make him one of the best players in the league, and a guy nobody wants to face.

    For McNabb, Shanahan didn't even think he was the best quarterback on that team, nevermind a top-100 NFL player.
    Don't pay attention to how it is advertised. Pay attention to what the players did when they ranked them.

    NFLN has it in there, they just decide to expound on it a bit to make it more entertaining (if you will).

    Again, I think the players ranked them based on 2010 and previous performances as well as what they think they will do in 2011. Its my opinion, but to think that the players didn't take that into account is kindof crazy.

    Some of the player commentators say as much, by the way, especially the discussions around Suh and the linkages of AD and fumbles.
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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

    The only players that voted were the players at the pro bowl, which excludes most of the players in the league as well as the 2 teams in the superbowl.

    I have yet to see a player on NFLN say they have voted.

    Maybe Lindsay Soto and her twins did the voting!
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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1099119
    The only players that voted were the players at the pro bowl, which excludes most of the players in the league as well as the 2 teams in the superbowl.

    I have yet to see a player on NFLN say they have voted.

    Maybe Lindsay Soto and her twins did the voting!
    I hadn't heard that.

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    Re: Adrian Peterson Hate

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099118
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1099114
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1099112
    It was the players and the players, if I understand it correctly, didn't base their rankings just on stats.

    The announcers and sports hacks are the ones that ref those things as possible reasons the players ranked them the way they did.

    I think the players ranked them based on the players past and present body of work as a whole and not just on 2010 play.

    To think the players didn't take history into their thinking is kindof out there.
    And you have to admit, alot of them aren't that bright.

    The point of the list was top-100 of 2010. Not top 100 players on a roster during 2010. They advertise it as "watch as we countdown the top-100 performances of 2010"

    People have been putting too much stock into a players past, wheras the point of the list was LAST Year. If A rookie had the best season ever in the history of the league, he deserves to be #1, despite the fact he had no history.

    yes, the past will play a part, in that for a guy like Peterson, even though statistically he didn't have a standout season, his skills and ability he's shown make him one of the best players in the league, and a guy nobody wants to face.

    For McNabb, Shanahan didn't even think he was the best quarterback on that team, nevermind a top-100 NFL player.
    Don't pay attention to how it is advertised. Pay attention to what the players did when they ranked them.
    That is exactly my point. The idea was to come up with the top-100 performances of 2010, and the players bastardized that into a top-100 players in general list.


    Again, I think the players ranked them based on 2010 and previous performances as well as what they think they will do in 2011. Its my opinion, but to think that the players didn't take that into account is kindof crazy.
    You seem to be giving the players too much credit. Alot of them aren't capable of much intellectual thought period, nevermind coming up with a carefully calculated and weighted way of ranking players based on nostril flaring ability and hair length.

    Some of the player commentators say as much, by the way, especially the discussions around Suh and the linkages of AD and fumbles.
    In case you missed it, I'm not talking about what the list IS, I'm talking about what it was originally intended as. The people doing the ranking and analyzing changed it into what they wanted.

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