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    Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    [size=13pt]Charley Walters: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Minnesota Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin[/size]

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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    Kiffin is right. Especially in the "Tampa 2" zone that both Tampa and we use, having a DE who can edge-rush is critical. I think that is why Kiffin is so high on Allen. In the true Cover 2, you don't bring "extra" rushers in passing situations, i.e. you don't bring the linebackers. That is why having a stud DE pass rusher is critical. I am talking about guys like Simeon Rice, Allen, and Dwight Freeney. This is a huge addition to our defense, but I doubt I would have to convince anyone of that on this site.

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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Kiffin is right. Especially in the "Tampa 2" zone that both Tampa and we use, having a DE who can edge-rush is critical. I think that is why Kiffin is so high on Allen. In the true Cover 2, you don't bring "extra" rushers in passing situations, i.e. you don't bring the linebackers. That is why having a stud DE pass rusher is critical. I am talking about guys like Simeon Rice, Allen, and Dwight Freeney. This is a huge addition to our defense, but I doubt I would have to convince anyone of that on this site.
    Excellent post my freind.


    What Monte doesn't say is that Allen improves our defense in two ways.
    He fixes our issue with respect to a Edge Rusher, but he is also a every down kindof guy which means he can play the run as well.
    That my friends makes it hard for O-cords to determine if we are bringing it or not on any given situation.

    By the way, there were a few on here who said that our CB's and S's were the reason our pass defense sucked.
    Heck, if we poke them a bit, they might even come out and play.... ;D
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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Kiffin is right. Especially in the "Tampa 2" zone that both Tampa and we use, having a DE who can edge-rush is critical. I think that is why Kiffin is so high on Allen. In the true Cover 2, you don't bring "extra" rushers in passing situations, i.e. you don't bring the linebackers. That is why having a stud DE pass rusher is critical. I am talking about guys like Simeon Rice, Allen, and Dwight Freeney. This is a huge addition to our defense, but I doubt I would have to convince anyone of that on this site.
    Excellent post my freind.


    What Monte doesn't say is that Allen improves our defense in two ways.
    He fixes our issue with respect to a Edge Rusher, but he is also a every down kindof guy which means he can play the run as well.
    That my friends makes it hard for O-cords to determine if we are bringing it or not on any given situation.

    By the way, there were a few on here who said that our CB's and S's were the reason our pass defense sucked.
    Heck, if we poke them a bit, they might even come out and play.... ;D
    Our secondary though suspect at times, was not our problem last year.
    How the hell can you cover someone forever if the QB has all the time in the world?

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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    Exactly why it was a genious move. I considered Allen one of top DE's if not the best at this time, in the NFL. He's only 26 years old, he's a high production consitent guy with high character. His addition to the locker room isn't being disscused enough. He's the type of player that builds championships.

    I can understand that Monte is upset that he didn't make it to Tampa but he's gotta understand that Allen would have been crazy to go elsewhere and Allen himself new it. The money was right, the atmosphere was right and we are ready to do damage.

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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    have you ever seen what happens to a massive gear-cog system when the key cog is put in?


    that's the Vikings D..


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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    We now have a defense that is capable of wining Superbowls as long as our young CBS, Safeties and LB and DE make a small step.

    However, I fear our Offense is not close to completion just yet.
    Rice - Needs to make a big leap in consitancy. We know the kid has moves, he just need to see it on an every game basis.

    TJ- His QB rating needs to improve. I wish he would take off with the ball some more, he's a poor man's Vick when he does that. He's that good

    AD - He needs to be more patient and his pass blocking can use work. Still i beg for an answer why are we using him to block when he is the best weapon on the field. He should be runing a route as a check down to TJ. That's what the eagles do the entire game with Westbrook.

    RG&RT - Continue to grow. We need you guys. I wish we would sign Oliviea and put him on the right side. He is a 7th round pick so the money will be average. At the very least we would have an insurance policy for MAC.

    BB - Needs to maintain his play.

    Shank - Needs to do a 180. A TE is a struggling qb's best friend. Stank - did nothing to help last year. I hate him for the key fubmle in the Skins game. If I was in charge we would sign Eric Johnson. Great blocker, Solid receiver. Somemoves make too much sense.

    As you can see, defenses isn't really the issue with our team. Our Offense needed the most attention. We will still do good as long as these guys make improvements.

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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    TJ- His QB rating needs to improve. I wish he would take off with the ball some more, he's a poor man's Vick when he does that. He's that good
    I don't want him to run.
    He will just get hurt.
    I do want him to be a bit more mobile however.
    Maybe a frew more rollouts if his accuracey is better this year.

    Barring that, I just want the OL to give him a damn pocket on a consistent basis so he can concentrate on making his reads as well as give him room so that he can stepping into his throws.

    Shank - Needs to do a 180. A TE is a struggling qb's best friend. Stank - did nothing to help last year. I hate him for the key fubmle in the Skins game. If I was in charge we would sign Eric Johnson. Great blocker, Solid receiver. Somemoves make too much sense.
    A solid OL is a struggling QB's best friend.
    A solid OL also allows for the TE's to get into the passing game a bit more.
    Shank will be fine.

    As you can see, defenses isn't really the issue with our team. Our Offense needed the most attention. We will still do good as long as these guys make improvements.
    I don't agree.
    Our defense has issues as well.

    a.
    Although Pat and Kevin are huge in stopping the run, they do not collapse the pocket very well.
    There needs to be more push up the middle on a consistent basis or Allen will run right by the QB as he steps up into the pocket and throws.

    b.
    LB's.
    Will they be able to drop into coverage now that we have a DL that should generate pressure with out thier help.
    Will they be able to contain TE's and get back into thier zones to stop the short slant routes.

    c.
    CB's.
    Will Griff, Gordon and McCauley continue to mature and will Winfield stay healthy?

    d.
    S.
    Does Sharper have one more year in him?
    I know alot of people like the guy but he was late getting over the top to help out alot last year.

    Nope my friend.
    I see issues on both sides of the ball but I don't see any of them that can't be overcome this year.
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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

    "Marrdro" wrote:

    I don't agree.
    Our defense has issues as well.

    a.
    Although Pat and Kevin are huge in stopping the run, they do not collapse the pocket very well.
    There needs to be more push up the middle on a consistent basis or Allen will run right by the QB as he steps up into the pocket and throws.
    the big reason they were not getting that big collapse, was 90% they were dbl teamed. this i think is why we're gonna see a lot more penetration from the twin towers. some teams will make the mistake of taking off a dbl team on pat, or kwill and they will pay.
    i don't think there's a single center in the league that's gonna stop pat once he's movin.

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    b.
    LB's.
    Will they be able to drop into coverage now that we have a DL that should generate pressure with out thier help.
    Will they be able to contain TE's and get back into thier zones to stop the short slant routes.
    how many int's did the lb's have last year. their first year as a true unit?
    that should just improve now. more time together. more time understanding exactly where they should be and what they should be doing. i expect a lot from our lb's. Ej, Ben, and Chad i think will be biting at the bit to get a chance to run any blitz they are allowed. open lanes str8 to the qb. the other 2. drop back and do as they did. int - > score.

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    c.
    CB's.
    Will Griff, Gordon and McCauley continue to mature and will Winfield stay healthy?
    yeah. here i agree with ya, but i am still convinced they will learn from their prior mistakes, and good games.
    Winfield staying healthy is a genuine need.
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    d.
    S.
    Does Sharper have one more year in him?
    I know alot of people like the guy but he was late getting over the top to help out alot last year.
    Sharper isn't the one that concerns me. if the Jared addition doesn't cause him to have a record int year. something is not right. including our draftee, i think we're very solid for this year, and competition will decide next year.

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    Nope my friend.
    I see issues on both sides of the ball but I don't see any of them that can't be overcome this year.
    issues i really don't see. we've seen most of the starters, the D was missing a key element in it's been put in place by our off season acquisitions. it would be nice if the O can come out and be up to the caliber of our D.

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    Re: Acquiring Jared Allen a win for Vikings, according to Monte Kiffin

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    "Marrdro" wrote:

    I don't agree.
    Our defense has issues as well.

    a.
    Although Pat and Kevin are huge in stopping the run, they do not collapse the pocket very well.
    There needs to be more push up the middle on a consistent basis or Allen will run right by the QB as he steps up into the pocket and throws.
    the big reason they were not getting that big collapse, was 90% they were dbl teamed. this i think is why we're gonna see a lot more penetration from the twin towers. some teams will make the mistake of taking off a dbl team on pat, or kwill and they will pay.
    i don't think there's a single center in the league that's gonna stop pat once he's movin.

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    b.
    LB's.
    Will they be able to drop into coverage now that we have a DL that should generate pressure with out thier help.
    Will they be able to contain TE's and get back into thier zones to stop the short slant routes.
    how many int's did the lb's have last year. their first year as a true unit?
    that should just improve now. more time together. more time understanding exactly where they should be and what they should be doing. i expect a lot from our lb's. Ej, Ben, and Chad i think will be biting at the bit to get a chance to run any blitz they are allowed. open lanes str8 to the qb. the other 2. drop back and do as they did. int - > score.

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    c.
    CB's.
    Will Griff, Gordon and McCauley continue to mature and will Winfield stay healthy?
    yeah. here i agree with ya, but i am still convinced they will learn from their prior mistakes, and good games.
    Winfield staying healthy is a genuine need.
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    d.
    S.
    Does Sharper have one more year in him?
    I know alot of people like the guy but he was late getting over the top to help out alot last year.
    Sharper isn't the one that concerns me. if the Jared addition doesn't cause him to have a record int year. something is not right. including our draftee, i think we're very solid for this year, and competition will decide next year.

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Nope my friend.
    I see issues on both sides of the ball but I don't see any of them that can't be overcome this year.
    issues i really don't see. we've seen most of the starters, the D was missing a key element in it's been put in place by our off season acquisitions. it would be nice if the O can come out and be up to the caliber of our D.

    DiGiTaL
    Now thats way to hard to pick apart.
    ;D

    a.
    Phat Pats numbers went up in tackles for loss so that means he was getting through on run plays.
    Could be that they were facing alot of Double teams preventing them to collapse the pocket, but until I see it, I am concerned.

    By the way, Kevins numbers continue to decline why Phat Pats went up.
    Also could be because of double teams but, again, I'm not so sure.

    b.
    I think you will see the opposite from that.
    Less blitzing and more dropping into coverage.
    Sure we will see them send Leber or EJ once in a while, however, that is only to keep the O honest as blitzing LB'rs aren't a staple of the Cover 2 Defense.

    c. and d. No issues.


    As I said, ......

    Nope my friend.
    I see issues on both sides of the ball but I don't see any of them that can't be overcome this year
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