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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    OK, so when talking about the 1998 Minnesota Vikings, many people, myself included, praise the offense and slam the defense.  Is this really justified?  I always knew that the 98 Vikings still hold the record for points scored in a single season.  But where did they rank defensively that year?  I looked it, and we were sixth in total points allowed.

    So I started thinking, "Number one offense and number six defense?  That is a pretty damn good team.  Probably one of the best in the modern era."  I figured I had nothing better to do in the offseason, so I did a little research.

    I took the points scored and points allowed for every team in the past 20 years.  I calculated the points differential (scored - allowed) and ranked them.  As it turns out, the 98 Vikings came in third overall!  Here are the top ten.
    Team Points Scored Points Allowed Differential
    1999 St. Louis Rams 526 242 284
      Super Bowl winner
    1991 Washington Redskins 485 224 261
      Super Bowl winner
    1998 Minnesota Vikings 556 296 260
      DNQ Super Bowl
    1996 Green Bay Packers 456 210 246
      Super Bowl winner
    2001 St. Louis Rams 503 273 230
      Super Bowl loser
    1994 San Francisco 49ers 505 296 209
      Super Bowl winner
    1987 San Francisco 49ers 459 253 206
      DNQ Super Bowl
    1995 San Francisco 49ers 457 258 199
      DNQ Super Bowl
    1992 San Francisco 49ers 431 236 195
      DNQ Super Bowl
    2005 Indianapolis Colts 439 247 192
      DNQ Super Bowl

    Too bad they don't give out the Lombardi Trophy for scoring differential.

    So, no, the '98 Vikings were not the Third Best Team ever.  They failed to capture the big prize, so they are no better than the Forty-Second Best Team ever.

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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    A number of key defensemen were injured during the NFC Championship game (Ed McDaniel and John Randle).
    After the injuries Atlanta scored most of their points, and that's why we lost the game late.
    I would put the '98 squad up against anyone, if healthy.

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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    OK, so when talking about the 1998 Minnesota Vikings, many people, myself included, praise the offense and slam the defense.
    Is this really justified?
    I always knew that the 98 Vikings still hold the record for points scored in a single season.
    But where did they rank defensively that year?
    I looked it, and we were sixth in total points allowed.

    So I started thinking, "Number one offense and number six defense?
    That is a pretty damn good team.
    Probably one of the best in the modern era."
    I figured I had nothing better to do in the offseason, so I did a little research.

    I took the points scored and points allowed for every team in the past 20 years.
    I calculated the points differential (scored - allowed) and ranked them.
    As it turns out, the 98 Vikings came in third overall!
    Here are the top ten.
    Team Points Scored Points Allowed Differential
    1999 St. Louis Rams 526 242 284
    Super Bowl winner
    1991 Washington Redskins 485 224 261
    Super Bowl winner
    1998 Minnesota Vikings 556 296 260
    DNQ Super Bowl
    1996 Green Bay Packers 456 210 246
    Super Bowl winner
    2001 St. Louis Rams 503 273 230
    Super Bowl loser
    1994 San Francisco 49ers 505 296 209
    Super Bowl winner
    1987 San Francisco 49ers 459 253 206
    DNQ Super Bowl
    1995 San Francisco 49ers 457 258 199
    DNQ Super Bowl
    1992 San Francisco 49ers 431 236 195
    DNQ Super Bowl
    2005 Indianapolis Colts 439 247 192
    DNQ Super Bowl

    Too bad they don't give out the Lombardi Trophy for scoring differential.

    So, no, the '98 Vikings were not the Third Best Team ever.
    They failed to capture the big prize, so they are no better than the Forty-Second Best Team ever.

    =Z=
    If we are basing this on stats from the last 20 years the thread should be, best team in the last 20 years. I would argue that since 20 teams have won the superbowl in the last 20 years that the 98 vikings are at least 21. The injury card just doesn't work. Every team has injuries, the great teams find a way to win anyway.

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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    Great teams have a bad game every once in a while too.
    If just won play would have went differently, we could have just as easily been Superbowl champions.
    So one play can make the difference of being one of the greatest ever, or just relatively run of the mill as far as history goes.

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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    OK, so when talking about the 1998 Minnesota Vikings, many people, myself included, praise the offense and slam the defense.
    Is this really justified?
    I always knew that the 98 Vikings still hold the record for points scored in a single season.
    But where did they rank defensively that year?
    I looked it, and we were sixth in total points allowed.

    So I started thinking, "Number one offense and number six defense?
    That is a pretty damn good team.
    Probably one of the best in the modern era."
    I figured I had nothing better to do in the offseason, so I did a little research.

    I took the points scored and points allowed for every team in the past 20 years.
    I calculated the points differential (scored - allowed) and ranked them.
    As it turns out, the 98 Vikings came in third overall!
    Here are the top ten.
    Team Points Scored Points Allowed Differential
    1999 St. Louis Rams 526 242 284
    Super Bowl winner
    1991 Washington Redskins 485 224 261
    Super Bowl winner
    1998 Minnesota Vikings 556 296 260
    DNQ Super Bowl
    1996 Green Bay Packers 456 210 246
    Super Bowl winner
    2001 St. Louis Rams 503 273 230
    Super Bowl loser
    1994 San Francisco 49ers 505 296 209
    Super Bowl winner
    1987 San Francisco 49ers 459 253 206
    DNQ Super Bowl
    1995 San Francisco 49ers 457 258 199
    DNQ Super Bowl
    1992 San Francisco 49ers 431 236 195
    DNQ Super Bowl
    2005 Indianapolis Colts 439 247 192
    DNQ Super Bowl

    Too bad they don't give out the Lombardi Trophy for scoring differential.

    So, no, the '98 Vikings were not the Third Best Team ever.
    They failed to capture the big prize, so they are no better than the Forty-Second Best Team ever.

    =Z=
    I would have to agree with Zeus on this one.

    Our 1969 team IMHO would rank higher. We lost the superbowl that year to the Chiefs, but we were a feared team back in the day. We sent 9 players to the pro bowl including our entire defensive line (a.k.a. purple people eaters). Our point differential that year was 246, not as prolific as the 98 team but a better all around team.

    "In 1969 the Vikings went 12-2, the best record in the NFL. The team had 12 straight victories, the longest single-season winning streak in 35 years. The Vikings defeated the Cleveland Browns, 27-7, in the NFL Championship Game on Jan. 4, 1970, at Metropolitan Stadium. Minnesota became the first modern NFL expansion team to win an NFL Championship Game, and earned a berth in Super Bowl IV. The heavily favored Vikings lost that game to the Kansas City Chiefs 23-7."
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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    "LongtimeVikesfan" wrote:
    I would have to agree with Zeus on this one.

    Our 1969 team IMHO would rank higher. We lost the superbowl that year to the Chiefs, but we were a feared team back in the day. We sent 9 players to the pro bowl including our entire defensive line (a.k.a. purple people eaters). Our point differential that year was 246, not as prolific as the 98 team but a better all around team.

    "In 1969 the Vikings went 12-2, the best record in the NFL. The team had 12 straight victories, the longest single-season winning streak in 35 years. The Vikings defeated the Cleveland Browns, 27-7, in the NFL Championship Game on Jan. 4, 1970, at Metropolitan Stadium. Minnesota became the first modern NFL expansion team to win an NFL Championship Game, and earned a berth in Super Bowl IV. The heavily favored Vikings lost that game to the Kansas City Chiefs 23-7."
    Always glad when people agree with me!

    Point differential, yards gained, points allowed, etc. etc. etc.

    There's only one stat which matters:
    Wins and Losses.
    Sure, the Vikings were 16-2 in '98, but they needed to be 18-1.

    The '98 team was awesome - I won multiple fantasy and pick-'em leagues because of that team.
    But, in a list of "best", they are no greater than other Vikings teams which have lost in the NFC Championship.

    =Z=

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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

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    ...But, in a list of "best", they are no greater than other Vikings teams which have lost in the NFC Championship.

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    True, but, they were also the highest scoring team in the NFL.
    Ever.
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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "LongtimeVikesfan" wrote:
    I would have to agree with Zeus on this one.

    Our 1969 team IMHO would rank higher. We lost the superbowl that year to the Chiefs, but we were a feared team back in the day. We sent 9 players to the pro bowl including our entire defensive line (a.k.a. purple people eaters). Our point differential that year was 246, not as prolific as the 98 team but a better all around team.

    "In 1969 the Vikings went 12-2, the best record in the NFL. The team had 12 straight victories, the longest single-season winning streak in 35 years. The Vikings defeated the Cleveland Browns, 27-7, in the NFL Championship Game on Jan. 4, 1970, at Metropolitan Stadium. Minnesota became the first modern NFL expansion team to win an NFL Championship Game, and earned a berth in Super Bowl IV. The heavily favored Vikings lost that game to the Kansas City Chiefs 23-7."
    Always glad when people agree with me!

    Point differential, yards gained, points allowed, etc. etc. etc.

    There's only one stat which matters:
    Wins and Losses.
    Sure, the Vikings were 16-2 in '98, but they needed to be 18-1.

    The '98 team was awesome - I won multiple fantasy and pick-'em leagues because of that team.
    But, in a list of "best", they are no greater than other Vikings teams which have lost in the NFC Championship.

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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team ever?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    Too bad they don't give out the Lombardi Trophy for scoring differential.

    So, no, the '98 Vikings were not the Third Best Team ever.
    They failed to capture the big prize, so they are no better than the Forty-Second Best Team ever.

    =Z=
    Well pfffbbbbbt to you then!

    I would maintain that the Lombardi Trophy isn't given to the best team each season.
    It is given to the team who wins the Super Bowl.
    Sometimes that is the best team, sometimes it isn't.
    Saying that the 2006 Colts were better than the Chargers, or the Saints, or even the Patriots is a tough sell.
    Saying that the Bears were the Best team in the NFC makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

    That is one of the tings that makes football fun to watch.
    Any team can win on any given Sunday, they don't necessarily have to be the best.
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: 98 Vikings - Third Best Team in the past 20 years?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    If we are basing this on stats from the last 20 years the thread should be, best team in the last 20 years.
    OK, fair enough.
    I have changed the title.
    Next week when work slows down again enough for me to compile the stats from the first 21 year, I will be able to say definitively where the 98 Vikes rank statistically. Until then...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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