Thread: 2013 and done for Jared Allen?
05-28-2013, 02:49 PM #71
05-28-2013, 03:02 PM #72
05-28-2013, 06:52 PM #73Rookie
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Found an interesting piece devoted solely to Jared's willingness (or lack of) to restructure his deal
Further, consider the players who have a higher APY than him all played significantly less snaps overall — if the average amount of snaps for a “full-time” DE is 60 snaps then Mario Williams (APY of $16m) played two full games less (121 less snaps), Charles Johnson (APY of $12.6m) played over 3.5 games less (216 snaps) and Julius Peppers (APY of $14m) more than a quarter of a season and nearly 4.5 games less (266 snaps). Whatever you wish to say about Allen, you cannot say he doesn’t give value in terms of playtime.
05-29-2013, 05:29 AM #74
05-29-2013, 10:03 AM #75
This board is laughable at times. Everyone is to blame but Rick and Co...because they got you some first round picks. You know this fanbase is a special kind of vagine when they start hacking on guy that played all last season hurt, has been the definition of a team guy here and has actually brought some excitement back to a team that was quickly falling into Browns territory. Like I said...everyone is to blame but the FO, they guys who job it is to prevent 1 player from making 10% of your cap. All of a sudden the Allen hatred stories are popping up.
First it was Rice, Then Harvin, Now Allen
05-29-2013, 11:17 AM #76Rookie
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05-29-2013, 11:34 AM #77Rookie
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And yeah dude, I think you are oversimplifying. The reason he counts for 10% of the cap is because the FO made it so the earlier years' cap hits were cheaper. His AAV is right in line for his contributions. It's not like we can't re-sign the guy if we want to after this season?
Rice we lost because we went all in with Favre trying to win it all. Keeping Greebway over him and Edwards was definitely the right move in hindsight. I really do miss Sidney though. The Steelers have been contenders for like 20 years now and they're always losing guys to FA if they want too much coin. They themselves are in this cap hell you speak of.
Harvin, you know my thoughts on how that trade worked out. I don't understand why you keep alluding to "lemmings" who S Spielman's D. Maybe I'm looking at the same team as you and seeing different things. Crazy I know. I get that you hate a lot about what the FO has done, but nothing in any of your posts I read indicate your viewpoint of the team has any more intelligence to it than many of the "lemmings" that you speak of. Talk football man, don't kid yourself...you're not any more or less bright than most of the posters on this site.
I'm just of the opinion that our future cap space 1-2 years from now should be valued higher than having cap space for this season. It's certainly debatable and I don't expect all to agree but that's how I feel the team has its best chance of winning a title. Feel free to disagree.
05-29-2013, 11:34 AM #78
He signed a 6 yr/$73,260,069 contract. This year he will make $17M ($2.7M is the last of his signing and roster bonus). If you look at what he's been paid to date it equates to $11.2M/yr. With this last year, it will equal $12.2M/yr. If you don't pay him the $17M this year you reduce his average pay from $12M/y down to $11M/yr.
If you fall in love with players, this game is going to be very hard for you to follow as the cap restrictions have tightened up and loyalty is at an all time low.
Here's another article that tries to put it into perspective:
Jared Allen: Not a Big Deal DE Hasn't Talked Contract
The Vikings would have been stupid to ask Allen to rework his deal. He’s earned his massive contract, and the team had plenty of cap room to work with this season, regardless of how massive Allen’s deal is. The team knows No. 69, and they know that asking him to restructure his contract, would only anger him.
Read more at Jared Allen: Not a Big Deal DE Hasn't Talked Contract
05-29-2013, 11:39 AM #79
05-29-2013, 12:40 PM #80
I read a lot of your post and generally like their quality. This one... not so much.
No one is talking about restructuring Allen's deal. I am talking about extending. The reason a lot of teams backload contracts is to afford in them in the early years and then extend them later on. Again my issue is paying Allen what he is worth...which is about 12 million a year for 3 more years. He hindered our cap this offeseason....
Entering this year we have the following players that should be resigned.
Griffen - 1 year
Robinson - 1 year
Cook - 1 year
Evans - 1 year
AJ Jefferson - 1 year
Toby - 1 year
Simpson - year
Are you telling me we couldn't use some of that money to get an early job on these guys?
It's shortsighted. Lastly, I wouldn't call myself a Jared Allen fan. Ask Marr, I preferred Peppers to him. I don't like that he only rushes from the right and limits our defense. However, for us to act like it's time to put him out to pasture because he is 31...is a bit premature. I mean...he's 31 and has not shown a dip in performance ( did anyone really expect 22 sacks every season).
EXTEND the contract get some cap space and start signing some of these other guys before they hit FA and we end up paying more ( Loadholt) cause that ruins your cap!