Translation- you cannot answer a simple question in a direct manner so you need to deflect the topic by throwing in some juvenile comment. Point taken. Now....
Originally Posted by kevoncox
Than your responses? Yes.
Come on you are brighter than this.
OK that is where you are just not making any sense and you refuse to answer how you get to your thought process.
If his contact came with a signing bonus/roster he would be paid the same or more total money this year.
How would he be paid more total money this year than he already is without either not signing some of the players we did or cutting additional players to make up for it? You have been bitching that we let Whinny go and didn't resign Harvin but for the love of god we have a salary cap and we are already at the ceiling and still didn't do half of what you wanted because of it and yet you can't make the connection.
We were at the top of the salary cap last year, the year before and also this year. There was not the room to give a signing bonus to JA without cutting some other players. I don't know what next year looks like but maybe we will have more space next year and can do what you are looking for. This year and last year are not options.
You know this how? He stated specifically that reducing his salary period was not an option. Anything different than that you are just speculating.
His issue is simply reducing his salary without something in return (i.e an extension and security for more years). He is not just beign a dick head and saying i deserve 17 million.
No, what he said was if he was asked to take a pay cut he would be through the door. With that point established there are no options to pay him less.
What he has said is that you won't do me like you did Kevin Williams and that is pay him less money this year without anything in return.
He wants and extension and he won't mind takign less for it.
Admit what- that you are making shit up out of thin air and trying to pass it off as his spoken words? Or admit that you are digging yourself into a hole and now you are setting the stage to try and backpedal your way back out.
However, askign him to reduce his 1 year salary just becuase is undeserving and and he feels he has earned his salary or an extension. It's not that hard and you know you were wrong.. just admit it. Man up and admit it.
Listen. You can move numbers around but in the end you still need them to balance. This isn't the federal government and the Vikings can't just print money when every dollar is accounted for.
Also to you second point about any extension will eat up the cap... this is so not true as you well know, when working with numbers, you can play with the cap to your advantage. Every year teams move large stacks of money around to years that they have less of a cap responsibility....
I am sure you also know that when you give those signing bonuses that they are prorated across the total term of the contract and that you cannot move those dollars around from year to year and that if you do use the signing bonus on a player and you end up cutting, trading or waiving them, the entire remainder of the signing bonus gets accelerated to count against the cap for that year,which obviously can throw a monkey wrench in your scheme.
As to your last sentence- what teams specifically are you talking about that moved stacks of money around? What was the mechanism that they used to do that and what years did they have so much cap room? Were any of those teams the Vikings? If not why?
But it isn't and contracts aren't done like that. They don't move the numbers up and down randomly- no contract goes 12-14-8-16-10. That is just silly. Link?
For example... Lets say AP contract was is like this
2013 - 12million
2014 - 14 milion
2015 - 8 million
2016 - 16 million
2017 - 10 million
The Vikings do as good a job as anyone with the cap. The examples you used are just fantasy stuff if you honestly believe they do individual contracts that go up and down randomly over the term of the contract.
Moving Jareds a large amount of extra salary to contract figures to 2015 would allow us to pay him a larger chunk that year. Other teams do it all the time. We don't and that is exactly why we seem strapped for cash even though we have undergone a complete revamp of our team. We should have extra cap laying around but we don't because our cap genius don't play with the cap as well as other teams do (better than I would at this point but thats not hard).