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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Going back 10 years. There were quite a few damn good players we got outside of the 1st round.


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    That looks like more than 10 years to me. Looks closer to 20.

    Single out the Wilf era and fill me in on how many draft picks not from the first round are still on the roster and playing a key roll on the team today.

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    xx= solid starter who is excelling.
    x= on the roster and contributing meaningfully.
    o= not.



    Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College
    2012 1 1 4 4 Matt Kalil T USC
    2 1 29 29 Harrison Smith DB Notre Dame
    3 3 3 66 Josh Robinson DB Central Florida xx
    4 4 23 118 Jarius Wright WR Arkansas x
    5 4 33 128 Rhett Ellison RB USC x
    6 4 39 134 Greg Childs WR Arkansas o
    7 5 4 139 Robert Blanton DB Notre Dame 0
    8 6 5 175 Blair Walsh K Georgia xx
    9 7 3 210 Audie Cole LB North Carolina State 0
    10 7 12 219 Trevor Guyton DE California 0
    2011 1 1 12 12 Christian Ponder QB Florida State
    2 2 11 43 Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame xx
    3 4 9 106 Christian Ballard DT Iowa x
    4 5 8 139 Brandon Burton DB Utah o
    5 6 3 168 Demarcus Love G Arkansas 0
    6 6 5 170 Mistral Raymond DB South Florida o
    7 6 7 172 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock xx
    8 6 35 200 Ross Homan LB Ohio State o
    9 7 12 215 D'Aundre Reed DE Arizona 0
    10 7 33 236 Stephen Burton WR West Texas A&M 0
    2010 1 2 2 34 Chris Cook DB Virginia x
    2 2 19 51 Toby Gerhart RB Stanford x
    3 4 2 100 Everson Griffin DE USC x
    4 5 30 161 Chris DeGeare G Wake Forest 0
    5 5 36 167 Nathan Triplett LB Minnesota 0
    6 6 30 199 Joe Webb QB Alabama-Birmingham 0
    7 7 7 214 Mickey Shuler TE Penn State 0
    8 7 30 237 Ryan D'Imperio LB Rutgers 0
    2009 1 1 22 22 Percy Harvin WR Florida
    2 2 22 54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma x
    3 3 22 86 Asher Allen DB Georgia 0
    4 5 14 150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina x
    5 7 22 231 Jamarca Sanford DB Mississippi x
    2008 1 2 12 43 Tyrell Johnson DB Arkansas State o
    2 5 2 137 John David Booty QB USC 0
    3 5 17 152 Letroy Guion DT Florida State x
    4 6 21 187 John Sullivan C Notre Dame xx
    5 6 27 193 Jaymar Johnson WR Jackson State 0
    2007 1 1 7 7 Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
    2 2 12 44 Sidney Rice WR South Carolina 0
    3 3 8 72 Marcus McCauley DB Fresno State o
    4 4 3 102 Brian Robison DE Texas x
    5 5 9 146 Aundrae Allison WR East Carolina o
    6 6 2 176 Rufus Alexander LB Oklahoma o
    7 7 7 217 Tyler Thigpen QB Coastal Carolina 0
    8 7 23 233 Chandler Williams WR Florida International o
    2006 1 1 17 17 Chad Greenway LB Iowa
    2 2 16 48 Cedric Griffin DB Texas o
    3 2 19 51 Ryan Cook C New Mexico o
    4 2 32 64 Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama State 0
    5 4 30 127 Ray Edwards DE Purdue 0
    6 5 17 149 Greg Blue DB Georgia 0


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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    That looks like more than 10 years to me. Looks closer to 20.

    Single out the Wilf era and fill me in on how many draft picks not from the first round are still on the roster and playing a key roll on the team today.
    Why just the Wilf era. You were asking about productive players that were drafted outside of the first round. I gave you a list showing several productive players who were drafted outside of the first round & were productive for the Vikings. The fact that they aren't on the roster today is moot.

    Can you tell me outside of Kalil how many of those draft picks will still be on the Vikings & productive 6 years from now? You can't. You are only looking at the first year of the 2012 draft class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    xx= solid starter who is excelling.
    x= on the roster and contributing meaningfully.
    o= not.
    Now if you only went back & judged them at the time we had them, you'd be closer to reality. To insinuate they were bad picks just because they are no longer on the team doesn't mean they weren't solid contributors when they played for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Why just the Wilf era. You were asking about productive players that were drafted outside of the first round. I gave you a list showing several productive players who were drafted outside of the first round & were productive for the Vikings. The fact that they aren't on the roster today is moot.

    Can you tell me outside of Kalil how many of those draft picks will still be on the Vikings & productive 6 years from now? You can't. You are only looking at the first year of the 2012 draft class.
    BTW. Nice edit changing the 10 to 20.

    Why just the Wilf era? because I am only looking at what the team has done since he took over and also how Spielman has done and the rest of the past 20 years does nothing for that.

    I don't feel the FO has done a good job after the first round in finding starting caliber players in the Wilf era. I do think this year was much better and hope that continues to be the case. 1992 means dick in relation to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Now if you only went back & judged them at the time we had them, you'd be closer to reality. To insinuate they were bad picks just because they are no longer on the team doesn't mean they weren't solid contributors when they played for us.
    Are they still here? if so then they were good picks. If they are not on the team they mean squat to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    BTW. Nice edit changing the 10 to 20.

    Why just the Wilf era? because I am only looking at what the team has done since he took over and also how Spielman has done and the rest of the past 20 years does nothing for that.

    I don't feel the FO has done a good job after the first round in finding starting caliber players in the Wilf era. I do think this year was much better and hope that continues to be the case. 1992 means dick in relation to that.
    It was a typo, that's why I changed it. If you were looking for just the Wilf era, then you should have stated so & I would have posted only that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Are they still here? if so then they were good picks. If they are not on the team they mean squat to us.
    LOL!

    Just because they aren't on the team anymore doesn't mean they weren't solid contributors when they were here. You're comparing apples and oranges. Some of them had a good year then fizzled. Some were replaced by even better players & some where lost to FA, all of which could happen to this years draft class (see Childs)

    Six years from now you might not see a single player from the 2012 draft class on our team, which would then in your eyes means the draft was bad afterall since they are not with the team.

    If we lose a star player from the 2012 draft to FA or ACL tears 4 years from now, I'm not going to pretend that drafting him in the first place meant squat & he was a bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    It was a typo, that's why I changed it. If you were looking for just the Wilf era, then you should have stated so & I would have posted only that.
    The whole conversation focused on Spielman and hid draft. What the hell drafts from 20 years ago had to do with that to have to be singled out for exclusion is a leap only you missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    LOL!

    Just because they aren't on the team anymore doesn't mean they weren't solid contributors when they were here. You're comparing apples and oranges. Some of them had a good year then fizzled. Some were replaced by even better players & some where lost to FA, all of which could happen to this years draft class (see Childs)

    Six years from now you might not see a single player from the 2012 draft class on our team, which would then in your eyes means the draft was bad afterall since they are not with the team.

    If we lose a star player from the 2012 draft to FA or ACL tears 4 years from now, I'm not going to pretend that drafting him in the first place meant squat & he was a bust.
    Look- If you are impressed with draft picks that either never start of end up on another roster after a few years then I have no way to debate that. I am not and could care less about that type of pick. If taking players that don't end up on our roster for an extended period of time is what you call success then that is your choice but it isn't what I am looking for.

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