Thread: 2012 Crystal Ball
01-23-2012, 04:50 PM #21Ring of Fame
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All these excuses about NO OFFSEASON... that didn't keep the Bengals Dalton from Balling, or Carolina who had a new QB AND Coaching staff... or the TITANS who had the same.... Seems the only team the short offseason hurt was the Vikes and Rams...
I thought the whole reason for hiring Frazier was for stability and continuity... so much for that!!
01-23-2012, 06:05 PM #22
We were close in games, but close does not count. It does however allow for optimism. We don't get to play those same teams again, but with some adjustments I think we are a better team. I suspect we will struggle to get to 8-8. I am thinking somewhere around 6-7 wins, which is improvement.
If you look at what we had, it almost has to get better. Our secondary was horrible, and we got no big plays from our linebackers. Hopefully someone can take a look and figure out how to adjust that.
Our receivers were only slightly better than our secondary at tht end of the year. I liked Aromashadu. But again, marginal at best. Everyone will tell you that though Percy is a talent, he is not that #1 receiver teams really have to have.
And our offensive line (truly offensive). I thought this unit would play a bit better, but I was wrong. It needs retooling and rebuilding. Hutch has lost his edge (injured, I know), and Charlie Johnson? I wish we had McKinnie.
On top of everything else, we just don't have great depth. We have some outstanding and decent players on our team, but no one to give them a break or pick up the slack.
So, I expect us to go after someone in the defensive secondary and a receiver or o-line in free agency. We will also go after those same positions in the draft, and I think our first pick will be on the offensive line.
01-23-2012, 06:41 PM #23
We definitely had an awful season, but we are still not in that terrible of shape.
GB looks to be as strong next year as they were this year, Detroit looks to be as good as or better and while the Bears are a wild card unless they lose Cutler again to injury it is going to be a tall order to think we will somehow sweep them considering they have pretty much owned us lately.
My worry on offense is mostly Ponder, I still do not have faith that he make all the "big boy" throws you need from quarterbacks today. His arm strength is just too damn iffy for me. I do think he has solid pocket presence and is smart though and can maybe be a pretty good quarterback, but I am definitely not sold yet.
We obvioulsy need to address the offensive line and maybe add a playmaker, but with the plethora of picks we should be able to at least do one of these if not both.
On defense, I am not as concerned with talent as I am with scheme and players knowing where they are supposed to be. I honestly do not know if any secondary in the history of the game was out of position or as confused as ours was on a regular basis. Our corners constantly release guys when they think they have help and there is nobody there. Our safeties often seem to not know what zone they are supposed to be in or if they are supposed to pick up a release. And when our LBs drop into coverage they often share a zone with someone and that clearly is not supposed to be happening.
Hopefully Williams' experience in the C2 can help teach these players where they are supposed to be. Hopefully, with the draft and FA we can add some talent in the secondary and depth/talent at LB and DE and we could be a VASTLY improved defense.
All that said ... I think the Packers are WAY out of our league right now and the Lions could be moving that way.
I call us 8-8 at best, but that would be very nice in my opinion.
01-23-2012, 11:13 PM #25Rookie
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01-24-2012, 12:37 AM #26Team Alumni
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What is wrong with ANYONE making positive predictions about their team? Nothing. If you think that the team will win only 3 games and another thinks that they will win 9, who are you to tell them that they are wrong? Its only an observation served up with optimism. I happen to think it is better than being negative and jaded. Be diplomatic, we all root for the same team.
01-24-2012, 01:58 AM #27
I think the Lions are more out of our league in 2012 than the Packers are.
That team is only getting better. Green Bay is getting worse in every aspect outside of their offensive line and QB.
We're screwed with our current coaching staff. I swear Frazier is the test tube baby of Childress and Tony Dungy.
We just hired a defensive coordinator from the worst group of the worst team in the NFL. A team who runs our same stale system. Why? Because like Chilly, Frazier knew him. And like Dungy, he's a Tampa 2 guy... remind me, who else runs this defense anymore? Is there a QB on a competitive team that can't tear it apart?
We needed a fresh set of eyes to evaluate and renovate our defense. Someone who realizes our strength lies in man coverage. We have two long, rangy corners in Griffin and Cook and the perfect slot corner(age excluded) in Winfield. Griffin and Cook can deal with bigger receivers physically, something most corners cannot do. Just look at Calvin Johnson's production against us in the past two years. He's had one good game in four meetings. We need to being playing man underneath, no questions asked.
Go out and get two safeties capable of playing deep halves, and I'll think about being OK with them doing so. Right now, we do not have the personnel to do that. Not even close.
We run a stale defense with players incapable of executing it. It's not even stale, it's moldy.
No matter what upgrade we make to the offense in the draft, whether it's Kalil or Blackmon, it won't be able to make up the difference in our lack of D. If we go out and take one of the receivers from this deep free agent class on top of our draft picks, it still won't help enough. Tim Tebow dropped 35 on us. If your secondary can let that pathetic excuse for a QB throw on you, you're fucked. Flat out fucked.
There was a decent, at best, star trib article yesterday "Apologizing to Frazier" for saying earlier in the year that "his philosophies were a thing of the past." It said that because the Giants, 49ers and Ravens were still in the super bowl picture, he's right... Offensively, I guess I can't really disagree(but the better passing teams of the two went on to the big dance) since 3 of the 4 were run-first teams.
But defensively, he couldn't be more wrong. None of those 4 teams play a zone-based scheme. They're all man to man attacking defenses. Why? Because you have to be. All you can do to stop the best QBs and best wide receivers in the NFL is disrupt their timing, get under their skin. Hit them in the mouth.
Until our club realizes that, we're going to suffer.
We may have lost a huge chunk of games by less than a score, but that doesn't matter until we make the right changes. So far this offseason, we haven't. And the safeties available aren't good enough to get us over that one score hump.
2012? If we make all the right personnel moves in the offseason(o-line, wide receiver, DT, SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY) we'll win 7 games. If Alan Williams is flexible and intelligent enough to realize that we're more suited for a defense from this decade than last, we could win more. If Ponder is able to stay healthy and given the targets and protection he needs to get into a rhythm, we could win even more than that.
It's a tough road ahead in the NFC. The Eagles are poised to make a real run, the Saints are clearly good, the 49ers scare the shit out of me(and should be in the super bowl), the Giants are young and talented, the Packers can still do it and the Cowboys aren't far off either.
As Vikings fans I think we have to assume a few things: Adrian Peterson's career is effectively over. Ponder will crash and burn. We'll lose Harvin when his contract expires in a couple of years. We'll be stuck with a lame-duck of a coach for the next 4 seasons. We'll waste the rest of Jared Allen and Kevin Williams time left. We'll continue to not win Super Bowls for the rest of our lives... I think that realization caused me to stop posting here for a few months. I had an exceptionally good night tonight and decided to log on for a few minutes, which reminded me of how shitty it really is to be a Vikings fan. And we have no reason to think otherwise.
I suppose we can take solace in knowing we're the best at one thing. Dealing with disappointment. Look at these San Francisco and Baltimore fans. They just can't wrap their heads around what we've experienced more times than we can count.
There has literally been no season in my lifetime(or yours) that has ended in a positive way. Every potential Super Bowl year has ended in unbelievable heartbreak. The best years, at least the least traumatic have been forgettably bad to mediocre, and I have no reason to assume next year will be any different.
I think we miss the playoffs next year, we'll go 6-10.
01-24-2012, 02:09 AM #28
Eh, it's the NFL though. Things can change at any point in any season... I mean, who knew the 49ers would be in the NFCC this year? I realize Frazier doesn't really exude half the confidence that Jim Harbaugh does, but weirder things have happened.
That's about all I have to go on now. Blind faith.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
01-24-2012, 01:05 PM #29
SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY
Of all our deficiencies, this is clearly our largest. It is has been under appreciated by our coaching staff for far too long. Once Tyrell failed, it seems they gave up on trying to address this position with a real athlete.
01-24-2012, 10:57 PM #30