Thread: 2 things with the Vikings' Matt Birk - 2nd longer Q & A with Birk

"Marrdro" wrote:

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.
Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.

Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

LOL! I'll prove you 100% wrong on that one.

You have rebuked what Birk has stated on more than one occasion. After work, the newshound will do a little thread dredging.

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.

Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

LOL! I'll prove you 100% wrong on that one.

You have rebuked what Birk has stated on more than one occasion. After work, the newshound will do a little thread dredging.

So let me get this straight......Your saying there wasn't anything bad said by Matt during the last contract negotiation?

This is gonna be fun.
Google will get you those clips (use the word surgery in with contract) pretty quickly.

Just another example of Matty B putting himself before the team.

;D

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.

Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

LOL! I'll prove you 100% wrong on that one.

You have rebuked what Birk has stated on more than one occasion. After work, the newshound will do a little thread dredging.

So let me get this straight......Your saying there wasn't anything bad said by Matt during the last contract negotiation?

This is gonna be fun.
Google will get you those clips (use the word surgery in with contract) pretty quickly.

Just another example of Matty B putting himself before the team.

;D

Obviously you are contradicting his quotes here. I thought what Birk said is "the exception"?

"Marrdro" wrote:

Birk is confident that missing the OTAs won't hurt his performance.

Who cares about the impact on his performance.
Hey Matt.....Its a team sport.
What about the impact with respect to OL continuity, Film study with your QB with respect to all the times you guys screwed the pooch on blitz recognition, help you could have given your potential successor, etc etc etc.

Sorry, last time I hack on him this year, I promise.
;D

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

See, I won't say anything bad about this one either.......

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49954.msg893951#msg893951 date=1231423439]

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.

Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

LOL! I'll prove you 100% wrong on that one.

You have rebuked what Birk has stated on more than one occasion. After work, the newshound will do a little thread dredging.

So let me get this straight......Your saying there wasn't anything bad said by Matt during the last contract negotiation?

This is gonna be fun.
Google will get you those clips (use the word surgery in with contract) pretty quickly.

Just another example of Matty B putting himself before the team.

;D

Obviously you are contradicting his quotes here. I thought what Birk said is "the exception"?

"Marrdro" wrote:

Birk is confident that missing the OTAs won't hurt his performance.

Who cares about the impact on his performance.
Hey Matt.....Its a team sport.
What about the impact with respect to OL continuity, Film study with your QB with respect to all the times you guys screwed the pooch on blitz recognition, help you could have given your potential successor, etc etc etc.

Sorry, last time I hack on him this year, I promise.

;D

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

See, I won't say anything bad about this one either.......

[/quote]
What?

How does that have anything to do with whether or not he would/will not say anything bad when he is up for a contract?

You kindof lost me there.

Google came up with 11 pages if anyone wants to revist history and Birk with respect to what can/will come out of his mouth during a contract year....


http://archive.profootballtalk.com/MattBirk.htm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ike/index.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2143042

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

[quote author=singersp link=topic=49954.msg894558#msg894558 date=1231506878]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49954.msg893951#msg893951 date=1231423439]

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.

Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

LOL! I'll prove you 100% wrong on that one.

You have rebuked what Birk has stated on more than one occasion. After work, the newshound will do a little thread dredging.

So let me get this straight......Your saying there wasn't anything bad said by Matt during the last contract negotiation?

This is gonna be fun.
Google will get you those clips (use the word surgery in with contract) pretty quickly.

Just another example of Matty B putting himself before the team.

;D

Obviously you are contradicting his quotes here. I thought what Birk said is "the exception"?

"Marrdro" wrote:

Birk is confident that missing the OTAs won't hurt his performance.

Who cares about the impact on his performance.
Hey Matt.....Its a team sport.
What about the impact with respect to OL continuity, Film study with your QB with respect to all the times you guys screwed the pooch on blitz recognition, help you could have given your potential successor, etc etc etc.

Sorry, last time I hack on him this year, I promise.

;D

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

See, I won't say anything bad about this one either.......

[/quote]
What?

How does that have anything to do with whether or not he would/will not say anything bad when he is up for a contract?

You kindof lost me there.
[/quote]

It's pretty simple Marr. Birk claimed that he & Childress get along. You used the quote to back up your statement against others who have said that Birk & Childress do not get along.

I then used your own cookie cutter statement, "Chiller Speak, much like Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism.", against you.

You use that statement quite frequently here when a player or a coach addresses the media, meaning we are not to believe everything they say. Some are coached by the FO as to what to say.

However, in this case, you fired back & said Birk is the exception to that rule. Meaning Birk says it like it is, good bad or indifferent & that you have no reason to doubt him because that is his nature.

If that is your claim, why is it you are rather "selective" as to when you doubt what he states?

You didn't doubt him on the comment he made that he & Childress get along (Because Birk says it like it is)

Yet you rebuke his quote here & have rebuked it other times as well in the past .

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

I've got to find that quote of Birk's where he praised a player & you came back & claimed he was "instructed" as to what to say, rather than say something negative.

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49954.msg894565#msg894565 date=1231507575]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=49954.msg894558#msg894558 date=1231506878]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49954.msg893951#msg893951 date=1231423439]

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.

Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

LOL! I'll prove you 100% wrong on that one.

You have rebuked what Birk has stated on more than one occasion. After work, the newshound will do a little thread dredging.

So let me get this straight......Your saying there wasn't anything bad said by Matt during the last contract negotiation?

This is gonna be fun.
Google will get you those clips (use the word surgery in with contract) pretty quickly.

Just another example of Matty B putting himself before the team.

;D

Obviously you are contradicting his quotes here. I thought what Birk said is "the exception"?

"Marrdro" wrote:

Birk is confident that missing the OTAs won't hurt his performance.

Who cares about the impact on his performance.
Hey Matt.....Its a team sport.
What about the impact with respect to OL continuity, Film study with your QB with respect to all the times you guys screwed the pooch on blitz recognition, help you could have given your potential successor, etc etc etc.

Sorry, last time I hack on him this year, I promise.

;D

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

See, I won't say anything bad about this one either.......

[/quote]
What?

How does that have anything to do with whether or not he would/will not say anything bad when he is up for a contract?

You kindof lost me there.
[/quote]

It's pretty simple Marr. Birk claimed that he & Childress get along. You used the quote to back up your statement against others who have said that Birk & Childress do not get along.

I then used your own cookie cutter statement, "Chiller Speak, much like Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism.", against you.

You use that statement quite frequently here when a player or a coach addresses the media, meaning we are not to believe everything they say. Some are coached by the FO as to what to say.

However, in this case, you fired back & said Birk is the exception to that rule. Meaning Birk says it like it is, good bad or indifferent & that you have no reason to doubt him because that is his nature.

If that is your claim, why is it you are rather "selective" as to when you doubt what he states?

You didn't doubt him on the comment he made that he & Childress get along (Because Birk says it like it is)

Yet you rebuke his quote here & have rebuked it other times as well in the past .

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

I've got to find that quote of Birk's where he praised a player & you came back & claimed he was "instructed" as to what to say, rather than say something negative.
[/quote]
I hear your arguement, however, it still doesn't make any sense to me.

Birk has and will say what is on his mind.
Do you disagree with that?

Why do you think this isn't one of those cases?
Cause I made statements before?
Again, nice attempt but you keep loosing me.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

[quote author=singersp link=topic=49954.msg894568#msg894568 date=1231507782]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49954.msg894565#msg894565 date=1231507575]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=49954.msg894558#msg894558 date=1231506878]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=49954.msg893951#msg893951 date=1231423439]

...I am pretty sure Matt knows he isn't coming back and he isn't happy about it. Throw in that Matt isn't really a quiet, hold it back kindof guy and I would assume he would have told us if he and the Chiller didn't get along.
Lets not forget, he has been a vocal member of this team in times past.

C'mon Marr, you yourself are the biggest advocate that players are instructed what to say when addressing the media.

"Birk Speak, much like Chiller Speak & Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism."

And you above all others know that there is a exception to every rule.

Matty B is that exception.
Remember all the stuff he said when his contract came up the last time.........?

LOL! I'll prove you 100% wrong on that one.

You have rebuked what Birk has stated on more than one occasion. After work, the newshound will do a little thread dredging.

So let me get this straight......Your saying there wasn't anything bad said by Matt during the last contract negotiation?

This is gonna be fun.
Google will get you those clips (use the word surgery in with contract) pretty quickly.

Just another example of Matty B putting himself before the team.

;D

Obviously you are contradicting his quotes here. I thought what Birk said is "the exception"?

"Marrdro" wrote:

Birk is confident that missing the OTAs won't hurt his performance.

Who cares about the impact on his performance.
Hey Matt.....Its a team sport.
What about the impact with respect to OL continuity, Film study with your QB with respect to all the times you guys screwed the pooch on blitz recognition, help you could have given your potential successor, etc etc etc.

Sorry, last time I hack on him this year, I promise.

;D

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

See, I won't say anything bad about this one either.......

[/quote]
What?

How does that have anything to do with whether or not he would/will not say anything bad when he is up for a contract?

You kindof lost me there.
[/quote]

It's pretty simple Marr. Birk claimed that he & Childress get along. You used the quote to back up your statement against others who have said that Birk & Childress do not get along.

I then used your own cookie cutter statement, "Chiller Speak, much like Denny Speak, should be taken with a certain amount of skepticism.", against you.

You use that statement quite frequently here when a player or a coach addresses the media, meaning we are not to believe everything they say. Some are coached by the FO as to what to say.

However, in this case, you fired back & said Birk is the exception to that rule. Meaning Birk says it like it is, good bad or indifferent & that you have no reason to doubt him because that is his nature.

If that is your claim, why is it you are rather "selective" as to when you doubt what he states?

You didn't doubt him on the comment he made that he & Childress get along (Because Birk says it like it is)

Yet you rebuke his quote here & have rebuked it other times as well in the past .

"I might have to study a little bit more right now, but I think I'm caught up," he said. "But that's not to say that I don't think those are important, but I'm not just a football player. I'm a father. I'm a husband. And we had our fourth child this offseason, so things were busy at home and that's where I needed to be

I've got to find that quote of Birk's where he praised a player & you came back & claimed he was "instructed" as to what to say, rather than say something negative.
[/quote]
I hear your arguement, however, it still doesn't make any sense to me.

Birk has and will say what is on his mind.
Do you disagree with that?

Why do you think this isn't one of those cases?
Cause I made statements before?
Again, nice attempt but you keep loosing me.
[/quote]

Yes, Birk does say what's on his mind & I also think it is one of those cases.

My initial post was "sarcastic in nature" since you used the "players are coached what to say..."
in a previous thread, where he praised a player, you did not agree with it, I stated he would not say it if he didn't honestly believe it & you & I went round & round on it.

I believe it was the time of the Jackson benching, when Birk said TJ would be fine & he had his support & that he had confidence in him.