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    1998 vs 2004 roster

    ok I'll take a stabb at this convo...

    O-line, although you gotta take into account that randall was a little more moble and could just loft it to Randy. Teams know how to play against randy(at least somewhat) so pepp can't do that anymore and he holds onto the ball a lot longer or so it seems.. we had like 3 pro bowlers that year compared to 1--98 comfortably

    Receives-although we don't have a C.C and Moss=Moss I like our depth at receiver and with a health M. Rob and the explosiveness of Campbell and the come on of burleson i'd say slight edge-04 vikes..just b/c of the depth and speed...Campbell and burleson are better than a reed.,..He dropped a lot of key passes.

    running back-I'd also have to say at running back we have better backs in 04 for the simple fact of bennett's speed and smith as a slasher...we don't have the thunder and lightening like in 98 but we have more depth and versitility..04

    QB-pepp is losing me as a fan..i give him 1 more year to show me he can be a leader and not a head case....no more excuses i want production...15-1 compared to 9-7 plus a 3 starters with fiedler, johnson and cunningham..that's a no brainer --edge 98 by landslide

    d-line- I like the youth and experience..if you go on college production i'd have to say 04 just because we now have depth and with williams, hovan and udeze...qb's will have no time at all to throw...BUT we don't really have a run stuffer like ball and we did have randle..the HOF'er..so I'd have to say this is hard to judge but slight edge to -98

    LB's-this is also tough due to the youthfulness of our 04 lb core...McDaniel was a monster and rudd had some speed even though he was a head case but we have only 1 proven starter at lb in 04 and he's coming off injury-edge 98

    CB's- i liked hitchcock just b/c he didn't give up the big play in 98 and we clearly have a whole at safety with Russell b/c he takes bad angles and misses too many tackles, but him and chavious are coming off big year's in the turnover dept so id give the edge to 04

    special teams-
    punting-98
    kicking 98 by a landslide
    coverage-we have goooood players on special teams now with all the players we have that can cover and contribute..id give the edge to 04..our coverage will be much improve.

    OVERALL-based shearly on potential and paper talent...it's up to the QB and draft picks but slight edge04

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    Hard to compare them both since we havent seen cottrell's d yet as well as the rookies performances. We are a young team. 1998 was a lot older and more experienced. Kinda difficult to compare. GIve this team a few years with the addition of more on offense and it would be a better comparison. THis years offense will not be as good as 98 in the first place by the way some of our receiver dont have experience playing together on the field and having some young receivers as well.
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    Randall McDaniel played guard, not Tackle, Todd Stuessie was a LT that year, and in my humble opinion, Bryant McKinnie is going to be much better than Stuessie ever was. And you forgot another comparison, Birk vs. Christy, Birk is better than Christy by a long shot.
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    I agree with most of what bleedpurple wrote, except I like culpepper better the cunningham/johnson... daunte did lead the #1 offense last year.. my only complaint is that he holds on to the ball too long at times....also i think moss is better than he was in '98.. he had a great rookie year, but he's improved since then.. so i don't think moss=moss.

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    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    ok I'll take a stabb at this convo...

    Receives-although we don't have a C.C and Moss=Moss I like our depth at receiver and with a health M. Rob and the explosiveness of Campbell and the come on of burleson i'd say slight edge-04 vikes..just b/c of the depth and speed...Campbell and burleson are better than a reed.,..He dropped a lot of key passes.


    OVERALL-based shearly on potential and paper talent...it's up to the QB and draft picks but slight edge04
    Give me good ol' CC over depth ANYDAY. WHo needs depth a WR when you have the 2nd greatest WR of all time and Moss?

    How can you say this team is better than 98'? We would have to go 16 - 0 to do better than what they did. Winfield and udeze will not make our team win 5 - 6 more games

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    "briboy75" wrote:
    I agree with most of what bleedpurple wrote, except I like culpepper better the cunningham/johnson... daunte did lead the #1 offense last year.. my only complaint is that he holds on to the ball too long at times....also i think moss is better than he was in '98.. he had a great rookie year, but he's improved since then.. so i don't think moss=moss.
    Ok, so you like Daunte over Cunningham/Johnson because he led the #1 offense last year. Cool, give me the guys that led the #1 scoring offense of ALL TIME. How can you not give the edge to 98', they scored more points that year than any team ever has.

    Moss is a better player than he was in 98', but you also have to factor in the "unkown" factor. In 98' he was still getting single coverage and teams werent focusing the whole defense into stopping him. More opps to throw the deap ball. He is a more complete player now, but also the defenses are focusing on stopping him more. Thus, Moss 98' = Moss 04' **PLus, the Moss in 98' played with a chip on his shoulder for getting screwed over in the draft, which led to him busting his ass EVERY play.

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    Re: 1998 vs 2004 roster

    "briboy75" wrote:
    Here is the 1998 roster:

    DE
    Derrick Alexander
    K
    Gary Anderson
    FB
    Obafemi Ayanbadejo
    DT
    Jerry Ball
    DB
    Antonio Banks
    DB
    Anthony Bass
    LB
    Peter Bercich
    P
    Mitch Berger
    T
    Matt Birk
    WR
    Tony Bland
    G
    Orlando Bobo
    S
    Duane Butler
    WR
    Cris Carter
    C
    Jeff Christy
    DE
    Duane Clemons
    DE
    Stalin Colinet
    QB
    Randall Cunningham
    TE
    Greg DeLong
    G/T
    David Dixon
    LB
    Dixon Edwards
    FB
    Chuck Evans
    QB
    Jay Fiedler
    DT
    Jason Fisk
    CB
    Corey Fuller
    TE
    Andrew Glover
    TE
    Hunter Goodwin
    S
    Torrian Gray
    S
    Robert Griffith
    WR
    Matt Hatchette
    CB
    Jimmy Hitchcock
    RB
    Leroy Hoard
    LB
    Bobby Houston
    QB
    Brad Johnson
    G/C
    Everett Lindsay
    T
    Chris Liwienski
    LB
    Kivuusama Mays
    LB
    Ed McDaniel
    G
    Randall McDaniel
    CB
    Ramos McDonald
    C
    Mike Morris
    FB
    Harold Morrow
    WR
    Randy Moss
    RB/WR
    David Palmer
    CB
    Anthony Phillips
    DT
    John Randle
    WR
    Jake Reed
    LB
    Dwayne Rudd
    RB
    Robert Smith
    T
    Todd Steussie
    T
    Korey Stringer
    WR
    Robert Tate
    S
    Orlando Thomas
    WR
    Chris Walsh
    DT
    Ben Williams
    RB
    Moe Williams
    DT
    Tony Williams
    LB
    Kailee Wong

    How do you think we compare now?
    Where are we stronger? Where are we weaker?
    How does the '09 roster stack up against the '98 roster? I would take the '09 in a heartbeat.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re: 1998 vs 2004 roster

    "Prophet" wrote:
    "briboy75" wrote:
    Here is the 1998 roster:

    DE
    Derrick Alexander
    K
    Gary Anderson
    FB
    Obafemi Ayanbadejo
    DT
    Jerry Ball
    DB
    Antonio Banks
    DB
    Anthony Bass
    LB
    Peter Bercich
    P
    Mitch Berger
    T
    Matt Birk
    WR
    Tony Bland
    G
    Orlando Bobo
    S
    Duane Butler
    WR
    Cris Carter
    C
    Jeff Christy
    DE
    Duane Clemons
    DE
    Stalin Colinet
    QB
    Randall Cunningham
    TE
    Greg DeLong
    G/T
    David Dixon
    LB
    Dixon Edwards
    FB
    Chuck Evans
    QB
    Jay Fiedler
    DT
    Jason Fisk
    CB
    Corey Fuller
    TE
    Andrew Glover
    TE
    Hunter Goodwin
    S
    Torrian Gray
    S
    Robert Griffith
    WR
    Matt Hatchette
    CB
    Jimmy Hitchcock
    RB
    Leroy Hoard
    LB
    Bobby Houston
    QB
    Brad Johnson
    G/C
    Everett Lindsay
    T
    Chris Liwienski
    LB
    Kivuusama Mays
    LB
    Ed McDaniel
    G
    Randall McDaniel
    CB
    Ramos McDonald
    C
    Mike Morris
    FB
    Harold Morrow
    WR
    Randy Moss
    RB/WR
    David Palmer
    CB
    Anthony Phillips
    DT
    John Randle
    WR
    Jake Reed
    LB
    Dwayne Rudd
    RB
    Robert Smith
    T
    Todd Steussie
    T
    Korey Stringer
    WR
    Robert Tate
    S
    Orlando Thomas
    WR
    Chris Walsh
    DT
    Ben Williams
    RB
    Moe Williams
    DT
    Tony Williams
    LB
    Kailee Wong

    How do you think we compare now?
    Where are we stronger? Where are we weaker?
    How does the '09 roster stack up against the '98 roster? I would take the '09 in a heartbeat.
    Did your heart stop or something?

    Our defense is better than 98 but the offense and the coaching is way short of anything we had in 98. No way in hell I would trade the FUO that we have now for the 98 offense.

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    Re: 1998 vs 2004 roster

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "briboy75" wrote:
    Here is the 1998 roster:

    DE
    Derrick Alexander
    K
    Gary Anderson
    FB
    Obafemi Ayanbadejo
    DT
    Jerry Ball
    DB
    Antonio Banks
    DB
    Anthony Bass
    LB
    Peter Bercich
    P
    Mitch Berger
    T
    Matt Birk
    WR
    Tony Bland
    G
    Orlando Bobo
    S
    Duane Butler
    WR
    Cris Carter
    C
    Jeff Christy
    DE
    Duane Clemons
    DE
    Stalin Colinet
    QB
    Randall Cunningham
    TE
    Greg DeLong
    G/T
    David Dixon
    LB
    Dixon Edwards
    FB
    Chuck Evans
    QB
    Jay Fiedler
    DT
    Jason Fisk
    CB
    Corey Fuller
    TE
    Andrew Glover
    TE
    Hunter Goodwin
    S
    Torrian Gray
    S
    Robert Griffith
    WR
    Matt Hatchette
    CB
    Jimmy Hitchcock
    RB
    Leroy Hoard
    LB
    Bobby Houston
    QB
    Brad Johnson
    G/C
    Everett Lindsay
    T
    Chris Liwienski
    LB
    Kivuusama Mays
    LB
    Ed McDaniel
    G
    Randall McDaniel
    CB
    Ramos McDonald
    C
    Mike Morris
    FB
    Harold Morrow
    WR
    Randy Moss
    RB/WR
    David Palmer
    CB
    Anthony Phillips
    DT
    John Randle
    WR
    Jake Reed
    LB
    Dwayne Rudd
    RB
    Robert Smith
    T
    Todd Steussie
    T
    Korey Stringer
    WR
    Robert Tate
    S
    Orlando Thomas
    WR
    Chris Walsh
    DT
    Ben Williams
    RB
    Moe Williams
    DT
    Tony Williams
    LB
    Kailee Wong

    How do you think we compare now?
    Where are we stronger? Where are we weaker?
    How does the '09 roster stack up against the '98 roster? I would take the '09 in a heartbeat.
    Did your heart stop or something?

    Our defense is better than 98 but the offense and the coaching is way short of anything we had in 98. No way in hell I would trade the FUO that we have now for the 98 offense.
    I will always take a better defense when given the choice.
    Always.
    I like this year's team better, including offense.
    Tough running game and improving passing game.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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