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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    How long have you followed the team?

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    I year in whicj the ultimate goal (Super Bowl) is not met is failure.

    Saying otherwise is sugar coating.
    Winning a superbowl is a team achivement, not an individual one. It is possible for a player to be a success on a team that fails. Look at Barry Sanders and all the years he played in Detroit. The Lions have only won one playoff game since 1957, yet I think few people would consider him a failure.

    Besides, Success or Failure is not measured solely in Super Bowl victories. If that were the case then you could say that the Vikings have met failure every single year of their existance. I disagree. Call it sugar coating if you like...
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    What is the goal of all 32 teams in the NFL before the start of the season?

    Only one team will have that goal met.

    Thus, 31 teams will fail in that goal...right?

    Yes, it is possible for a player to have success. But what good is it if the teams goal is not met? He can look really good for a trade with another team instead of ours. Football is a team sport, not an individual.

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    I think NoDaks main point is that individuals can be very succesful even if a team struggles...i.e. Dan Marino, perhaps the greatest QB in NFL history; never won a Super Bowl. Also Id hate to call a season a complete failure after a division or conference championship.

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    I here ya.

    I guess it depends on how you set your sights. I set mine for a SB. We have won the division and conference a few times, time for a ring.

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    I def agree with that Ultra, been way to many years just taking the division and not seeing the overall results. Division and conference titles are indeed nice, but i agree its time for a Vikings Super Bowl!

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    "TheAnimal93" wrote:
    Dont forget the Jay Fielder game in which he lit it up against JAX. Then there were all of the other JF games. :lol:
    Don't remember that.

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    "donjen95" wrote:
    What the hell is a Spergon Wynn?
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    Are you serious?
    "mr.woo" wrote:
    i am i dont know who it is either.



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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    I here ya.

    I guess it depends on how you set your sights. I set mine for a SB. We have won the division and conference a few times, time for a ring.
    ...and lost the SB four times.

    The only goal is to win the SB. I agree that if you don't meet that goal it is unacceptable. Demand Excellence, always. The time will come. Being a Vikings fan is a good lesson in patience.

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    Re: In 1998-2004 Was it Possible For a MN QB to Fail?

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "donjen95" wrote:
    What the hell is a Spergon Wynn?
    Are you serious?
    He's only the worst Vikings quarterback....EVER!!! I mean, I don't hold a lot of animosity towards him or anything, because he came in at the end of a 5-11 season, but holy smokes was that guy ever bad! I'll never forget the game against the Ravens. He had Moss in single coverage on the goal line. Moss ran a fade, and all Spergeon had to do was throw it up higher than the defensive back and Moss would have come down with it easily, but NO! Instead he threw it RIGHT TO THE DEFENSIVE BACK! It was nuts.

    Anyway, I say yes because of the Spergeon experiment, but if you had adequate talent it was hard to fail. I think the biggest reason is A)offensive talent (Moss, Carter, Robert Smith, etc.) and B) Offensive line. There for a while we had a great O-line- Birk, Stringer, Dixon et al. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. If you give a decent NFL quarterback an offensive line, he'll look like an all star.

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