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    Re: Your Opinion... Best WR of All Time Thread

    "Ranger" wrote:
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    [quote author=Zeus link=topic=50822.msg920474#msg920474 date=1236703055]
    I'd take Joe Montana over Dan Marino 1000 times out of a 1000 because Montana is a winner.

    There is a quality to being a winner that transcends stats.
    so then I guess by your logic, you would much rather have Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson play for you than someone like Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Jay Cutler, Phillip Rivers, Mcnabb, or Hasslebeck?
    Brees, Palmer, Pennington, Cutler, Rivers, McNabb and Hasslebeck have not led their team to the big prize, have they?
    McNabb and Hasslebeck have actually failed in the SB to win it.

    So - if we're talking purely hypotheticals and I can get Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer in their primes, then, yes, I would probably take those guys over any of the non-winners you have listed.

    I've watched enough sports to know that there are those who are winners (someone like Roger Federer, for example) and those who might win on occasion, but who cannot be counted on to come through in the big moment (someone like Andy Roddick, for example).
    so you think by sticking Dilfer in his prime on the Vikings, that automatically makes us legitimate superbowl contenders?
    Over guys like Brees?
    Maybe, I dunno.
    I'm talking about a quality in a player that cannot be measured.
    Brees has failed to lead his teams to anything but sporadic playoff berths.
    Dilfer was able to lead his team to a Super Bowl win.
    Many teams with great defenses failed to win the Super Bowl, so you cannot discount his contribution.

    I like Brees as a QB.
    And, maybe, on the Vikings, he would find that winning piece of himself and be able to take them to the next level.

    How about you?
    Would you rather have Dan Marino or Joe Montana?
    Fran Tarkenton or Terry Bradshaw?
    Drew Bledsoe or Tom Brady?

    Dilfer didn't Baltimore to ANYTHING.
    Ray Lewis and the defense led that team to the superbowl, and Dilfer was along for the ride.
    His job was to be quiet, hand the ball off and don't mess up.


    Trent Dilfer was the first Super Bowl winning QB to be dumped by his team the following season.

    Not many people remember, but he had a 3-4 game stretch without a TD pass.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Your Opinion... Best WR of All Time Thread

    best receiver of all time.

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    the thread is done ,some mod please close it.
    El underdog.

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    Re: Your Opinion... Best WR of All Time Thread

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    Now - Gotta go with a guy that got 23 TDs a year ago, don't you?

    All time - Gotta go with that very same guy.
    Jerry could never get 23 in a full season.

    Yeah - Jerry set the previous record of 22 in only 12 games in 1987 with only 65 receptions.
    So - one of every 3 catches was a TD.
    Just wow.
    In 98 Moss caught 69 passes, 17 for TD's. That's 1 in 4, and he was a rookie, and he didn't have the greatest QB of all time throwing to him.

    10 years later in 07 he caught 23td on 98 passes, or 1 in 4.25. Of course he might have had the greatest QB of all time throwing to him then.

    Jerry Rice never had double digit TD's in any of his final 10 seasons, or since Steve Young retired.

    For there careers rice took 1 in 7.9 catches for TD's. Moss has taken 1 in 6.2 catches for TD's.
    In 1998, Moss did have one of the top-10 WRs of all-time across from him.
    With all due respect to John Taylor, he's no Cris Carter.
    If teams were going to double someone in 1998, it wasn't going to be the rookie.

    In 2007, as you noted, Moss had Tom Brady throwing to him.
    And he had a WR on the other side who caught 112 passes.

    In the end, 3 Super Bowls for Rice, 0 for Randy.

    And in the end, this thread is about individual accomplishments.

    While I agree that Rice is a better receiver than Moss, you can not simply say "3 Super bowls for Rice, 0 for Randy."

    Rice did not win any Super Bowls on his own, Moss did not lose any Super Bowls on his own.

    How can he not say that?
    It appears that he did.

    Put him on the Lions, does he win the Superbowl?

    What makes Rice's Super Bowl accomplishments significant is that he never "disappeared" come playoff time. He was always as valuable in the playoffs as he was in the regular season, and he always performed spectacularly in the big game.

    Moss has a bit of a reputation for "disappearing" in playoff games.

    In regards to his overall legacy, Moss has to deal with the "lost" years in Oakland.

    Rice's numbers never started trailing off until he got bit by the injury bug in his 13th year, whereas Moss dogged it in Oakland for two years of his prime.

    When you look at a player you have to look at several things: Consistency, longevity, statistics and winning. Rice beats Moss in ALL of those categories.

    Rice never had QB's like Aaron Brooks, Kerry Collins and Marques Tiasusoopodon'tknowhowtospell/sayit throwing to him.
    Lets see, stick moss on the same 49ers team Rice was on, and I bet he comes damn close to matching Rice's numbers.

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    Re: Your Opinion... Best WR of All Time Thread

    I think Moss has the most pure talent and skill of any WR ever, but Rice has had the most production and was one of the hardest workers out there.
    Tough comparison.
    Moss def. had more speed, moves and leaping ability than Rice, but Rice did not have those mental lapses that Moss had in his past.

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    Moss is also a better kicker.

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