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    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    I'm quite certain that the dogs were planted there.
    And even if they weren't , how was Vick supposed to see the animals unless he actually went out into the backyard?
    I'm sure the dogs sat there quietly and certainly there would be no odor.
    Poor Michael Vick..you just have to feel sympathy for him. I'm sure he had no idea of any of this.
    Good point!!
    With dead animal carcasses and dog poop all over, how could he ever know.
    He must have thought it was the fresh country air.

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    I don't really care if he was involved or not. He didn't hurt anyone, he didn't really put anyone in danger... I hate every player pulled over for DUI more than this whole Vick situation bothers me. I'd rather everyone of those dogs were brutally killed by eachother than one person injured by an NFL player in a alcohol related car accident.

    They're dogs, pitbulls at that, not people. So the NFL and Police should get off his back and focus on something serious. I'm sure PETA will be riding his ass hard enough anyway.. too bad Falcons jerseys are already red, PETA will need some new paint.

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    "Mr" wrote:
    I don't really care if he was involved or not. He didn't hurt anyone, he didn't really put anyone in danger... I hate every player pulled over for DUI more than this whole Vick situation bothers me. I'd rather everyone of those dogs were brutally killed by eachother than one person injured by an NFL player in a alcohol related car accident.

    They're dogs, pitbulls at that, not people. So the NFL and Police should get off his back and focus on something serious. I'm sure PETA will be riding his jiggly butt hard enough anyway.. too bad Falcons jerseys are already red, PETA will need some new paint.
    You are insinuating that just because the NFL and the police are investigating this dog fighting ring it means that they are disregarding all other crimes, like DUI.
    This isn't the case as the two are not mutually exclusive.


    And I would argue that when superstars like Vick take this kind of "above the law" attitude, it harms the community that looks to them as role models.
    This kind of lackadaisical outlook at the civil morality of NFL players is part of the reason that the NFL has been in a criminal tailspin for the last two decades.
    It's no wonder that we are starting to generate players like PacMan who think that money and talent allows them to do whatever they want.

    Where do you draw the line between what is acceptable for a player in the NFL and what is not?
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    What a genious idea!
    Every day equals one game.
    I hate Vick more then anything after all this.
    If this chump is playing in the opener I hope Greenway tears all of his muscles in Vicks legs to ruin his career.
    What goes around comes around!

    So much for innocent until proven guilty. I have not seen any evidence that Vick had anything to do with the dog fighting. Maybe you should redirect your anger towards the people that organized the fights, the ones who raised the dogs to fight, maybe all of the people that attended the dog fights, the people that burried the dogs in the back yard. But you don't care about any of that, it is Vick that you care about. I hope you never get picked for jury duty.
    All honesty the guy in my eyes is guily.
    I don't care what anyone says, there is eveidience showing that since 2002 dog fights have been taking place on this property.
    Are you meaning to say that for the last 5 years Micheal Vick had NO clue about this organized crime ring to fight dogs???
    It's insane to think that for 5 years this man knew nothing about it.
    Not only that but who paid for the black boxes in the back of the building?
    Who helped pay for the so-called kennel they where running out of this place?
    If his cousin had all this money to afford this type of stuff why would he continue to do it on M. Vicks property?


    Playing dumb is a great idea for Vick right now, and apparently is working well amongst some people but not me.
    This man has been rumored to be involved in dog fighting for many years, the proof of "X" amount of carcasses are found on HIS property yet people still want to say he's innocent???
    Not me folks, the guys guilty some way or another and if for some miraculous reason he actually didn't know, he should be found guilty for just being sooo stupid about what happens on his land.

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    PFT has an ongoing info blog about Vick and the dog fighting.
    Here is their latest expert, and it makes some very good points.
    SELECTED PASSAGES FROM THE VICK COMPLAINT

    A copy of the federal complaint regarding the dog-fighting investigation at the Surry County, Virginia property owned by Falcons quarterback Mike Vick has been available for a few days, yet we haven't seen anyone weave many of the key passages from it into media reports regarding the issue.

    We mention this because we received an e-mail from a member of the national media this morning who described some of the details as "frightening."

    So here are some selected quotes from the document, which was filed by the feds in an effort to secure possession of the 54 dogs seized from the Vick property in April 2007.

    Paragraph 9 of the document confirms that "[m]any of the [54] pit bulldogs recovered or observed in the search had scars and injuries consistent with injuries sustained in dog fighting."
    (Previously, there was a dispute -- fueled in part by Surry County prosecutor Gerald Poindexter -- regarding whether the dogs taken from the land were scarred or injured.)

    Paragraph 10 lists the additional items recovered and observed in the initial search in April:
    "a blood-stained fighting area; animal training and breeding equipment, including a 'rape stand,' a 'break' or 'parting' stick, treadmills and 'slat mills;' assorted paperwork documenting involvement in animal fighting ventures; and performance enhancing pharmaceuticals commonly used to increase fighting potential in dogs trained for fighting, as well as to keep injured dogs fighting longer."
    We highlighted the reference to paperwork documenting involvement in animal fighting ventures because we hadn't previously seen this aspect of the seized property reported anywhere.

    Paragraph 11 says that members and associates of "Bad Newz Kennels," which was operated out of the Vick property, sponsored and exhibited pit bull fights at the Vick property and in Blackstone, Virginia, in North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey, and in other states.

    Paragraph 12 says that dog fights have been sponsored on Vick's property since 2002, with dogs from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas, and other states engaged in the "competition."

    Paragraph 13 contains some of the details regarding the pre-fight preparations.
    "The two dogs participating in a particular fight had to be the same weight and sex.
    Before a fight would start, the participants would weigh and bathe the dogs.
    The fighting weight would be established before the fight, requiring the opponent dogs to measure within approximately one-half pound of the set weight. . . . The opposing dogs were washed before a fight to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat -- if the opposing dog would bite the 'tainted' dog that was coated with poison or narcotic, this would affect the opposing dog's performance during the fight.
    The participants would sometimes stop feeding the fighting dog before the scheduled fights, in order to make it hungry for the other dog."

    Paragraph 14 explains that the fights at the Vick property "generally occurred late at night or early in the morning, sometimes involving 2-3 separate matches, and would last several hours."
    The persons in attendance were "[g]enerally" limited to persons accompanying Bad Newz Kennels members and persons accompanying the members of opposing kennels.
    "For a particular dog fight, the opponents would establish a purse for the winning side, ranging from 100's up to 1,000's of dollars.
    Participants and spectators would also place side-bets on the fight, dependant on the ultimate outcome or certain events occurring during the course of the dog fight."

    Paragraph 14 also contains some grisly details regarding the aftermath of the eventws.
    "The dog fight would last to the end, which would generally involve the death or surrender of the losing dog.
    At the end of the fight, the losing dog was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution, or some other method.
    The members of 'Bad Newz Kennels' would sometimes 'test' the pit bulls in their inventory, determining if a particular dog was 'game,' meaning that it would be a good fighter.
    Sometimes, the dogs deemed not to be good fighters would be put to death."

    Though the media was quick to point out that Mike Vick's name appears nowhere in the complaint, no names are mentioned.
    Instead, the complaint refers in several places to the "members of 'Bad Newz Kennels,'" without identifying any of said members.


    But we saw at least one hint in the complaint that suggests to us a belief by the feds that Vick is one of the members of Bad Newz Kennels.
    In paragraph 13, the complaint refers to the charging of admission fees for persons attending the fights.
    "If an admission fee was charged for a particular event," the complaint states, "the proceeds were generally used to supplement the funding of the 'Bad Newz Kennels' kennel operation."

    The key word in that passage is "supplement."
    As we've previously noted, someone had to be paying for the care and feeding of 50-plus dogs.
    If, as has been reported elsewhere, none of the persons living in Vick's house were employed, where was the primary funding of the operation coming from?
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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