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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

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    It's all in your beliefs and perception, there is no right or wrong answer here.

    Some great QB's have made coaches look good.

    Some great coaches have made QB's look good.

    A coach has to coach the entire team, a QB has to run the offense.
    There is a correct answer:
    Everyone is an idiot.
    If we weren't this discussion would not be happening.
    If it's your mission to destroy all idiotic conversation on this site in the offseason, we might as well shut down the site.

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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    It's all in your beliefs and perception, there is no right or wrong answer here.

    Some great QB's have made coaches look good.

    Some great coaches have made QB's look good.

    A coach has to coach the entire team, a QB has to run the offense.
    But a coach has lots of assistants, and coordinators, and front office types.

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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    "Prophet" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    It's all in your beliefs and perception, there is no right or wrong answer here.

    Some great QB's have made coaches look good.

    Some great coaches have made QB's look good.

    A coach has to coach the entire team, a QB has to run the offense.
    There is a correct answer:
    Everyone is an idiot.
    If we weren't this discussion would not be happening.
    see there you go messing up the thread by posting the correct answer... ;D
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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    "Prophet" wrote:
    There is a correct answer:
    Everyone is an idiot.
    If we weren't this discussion would not be happening.
    Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
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    And this thread could be considered madness..
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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    Impossible question, but both the coach and the QB will always receive more blame than they deserve for a loss, and more credit than they deserve for a win. If you ask the average football fan why we didn't make the playoffs they'll probably say,

    1. No QB
    2. Idiot coach who didn't use AD enough
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    Pass Defense

    All the playoffs teams this year had at least a decent QB playing for them.
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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

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    Impossible question, but both the coach and the QB will always receive more blame than they deserve for a loss, and more credit than they deserve for a win. If you ask the average football fan why we didn't make the playoffs they'll probably say,

    1. No QB
    2. Idiot coach who didn't use AD enough
    3.
    Pass Defense

    All the playoffs teams this year had at least a decent QB playing for them.
    I will disagree with that statement.

    The last three games, the D stopped AD. In the beginning of the year when AD was touching the ball only about 10 times a game, yea Chili wasn't giving it too him enough.. But nobody was 100% AD was for real, nor if he could hold up to the grind of a year. Which, in fact, he was out for two games. Granted we did win the two games he was out (not counting the GB slaughter).

    I won't fault chili for not giving it to AD at all, like the above message implies. I will fault him though, for putting WAY WAY WAY TOO MUCH on T-Jack's shoulders on the last two games that we lost. We could have run the ball much more effectively those games.
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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    It's all in your beliefs and perception, there is no right or wrong answer here.

    Some great QB's have made coaches look good.

    Some great coaches have made QB's look good.

    A coach has to coach the entire team, a QB has to run the offense.
    But a coach has lots of assistants, and coordinators, and front office types.
    And a QB has an offensive line, 2-3 WRs, TE, RB, and sometimes a FB just to protect his ass.

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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    "pack93z" wrote:
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    I just think there is a wider variation in the quality of QBs than the quality of coaches.


    There are only a few really good QBs, a few okay ones, and a lot of bad ones.
    That is, if you rated each QB on a scale of 1 to 10, there would be a handful of guys in the 8-10 range, maybe a dozen in the 5-7 range, and a whole bunch worse than that.
    The bad ones get to stick around because they might be able to develop into an okay QB, and there aren't enough better QBs anyway.


    There are a lot of okay coaches, and it's hard to say there are more than a few really good ones.
    But there aren't a lot of terrible coaches either, and those are quickly fired.
    Doing the same 1-10 rating thing, there would probably be a handful in the 8-10 range, a whole bunch in the 5-7 range, and only a few worse than that.

    So if you can get a really good QB, you'll almost certainly be able to find an okay coach.
    That combination will allow you to succeed for a long time.
    If you have a good coach, you still might have a hard time finding even an okay QB.
    Great post, but a question for you then. If you have a truly great coach whom can visualize what the strengths and weaknesses of his quarterbacks and the talent around him are, can't he take that average QB and make him successful within the offense?

    Take Kurt Warner as an example, he doesn't have great talent, however when teamed with Martz whom utilized his strengths and the talent around him to make the greatest show on turf. Or Norm Chow, BTW who got released today, who took a rookie running QB and made him successful enough to win rookie of the year and put the Titans into the playoffs.

    To me.. it takes both to make the wheels go round and round.. a great QB can't make up for a poor coach and a great coach can't make an offense run without a legit QB that in the very least carries out the gameplan. IMO.. they need to be on the same page and understanding within the offense.
    Yeah, obviously an okay quarterback can be a part of a good team.
    We know this is true because we've seen it happen many times.
    In the past ten years, we have seen Rex Grossman, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kerry Collins, and Chris Chandler 'lead' their teams to the Super Bowl.
    In those cases it is usually a combination of superior talent around that player and good coaching.

    In contrast, how much can a bad coach sabotage a good team?
    I don't know, but I'm sure it can be felt in the W-L columns.
    I especially think it becomes a problem long term as players don't get better under bad coaching and good players don't want to play for bad coaches.

    But my main point above is that the lack of okay QBs compared to okay coaches means that getting a good QB will always be a higher priority.
    You can get the coach easily enough.
    Most of the teams getting new coaches this year will get okay coaches.
    Most of the teams looking for a new QB this year will end up taking a chance on a guy that hasn't shown himself to be any good.
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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    "cogitans" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    It's all in your beliefs and perception, there is no right or wrong answer here.

    Some great QB's have made coaches look good.

    Some great coaches have made QB's look good.

    A coach has to coach the entire team, a QB has to run the offense.
    There is a correct answer:
    Everyone is an idiot.
    If we weren't this discussion would not be happening.
    If it's your mission to destroy all idiotic conversation on this site in the offseason, we might as well shut down the site.
    My goal is to be an ass, and I'm damn good at it.
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    Re: What’s more important: Coach or QB?

    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    It's all in your beliefs and perception, there is no right or wrong answer here.

    Some great QB's have made coaches look good.

    Some great coaches have made QB's look good.

    A coach has to coach the entire team, a QB has to run the offense.
    But a coach has lots of assistants, and coordinators, and front office types.
    And a QB has an offensive line, 2-3 WRs, TE, RB, and sometimes a FB just to protect his ass.
    Whether the coach has help, he still runs the team.

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