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    Re: Thank God we didn't draft Crabtree

    Guy would had been a headache to the 49ers as he is for the Vikes.
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    Re: Thank God we didn't draft Crabtree

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    I think rookie pay should be totally structured, and they should be paid:
    More if they finish school.
    Based on where they are selected, decreasing with each pick.
    More for any awards received as a college player, earning the most for the Heisman.
    The rookie contract may not be negotiated until the rookie season(including playoffs) is completed.

    That would eliminate this kaka del rio, get rid of rookie holdouts, they'd know what they're gonna make the minute they're picked.
    What?
    Finishing school has little to do with a guys talent.
    I'd agree.
    They don't make you go to trade school if you're becoming a secretary.



    I think the NFL's rule about having to be 2 yrs out of HS is good enough.
    The players that stay in school are the ones that are hoping they can increase their draft position by having a better year.

    Based on where they are selected?
    That's what they are doing now for the most part.
    Again, agreed.
    College to most players, is how you get noticed.
    get your name out there.
    They should not be forced to stay, nor should they be penalized for not staying.

    Awards???
    These are Gino Torretta's awards, what is he really worth?
    He wasn't even worth a 7th round pick.
    Awards: 1992 Heisman Trophy
    1992 Davey O'Brien Award
    1992 Johnny Unitas Award
    1992 Maxwell Award
    1992 Walter Camp Award
    1992 Harley Award
    more good stuff.
    Pay based on awards is pointless.
    How many guys have won the heisman?
    out of those players, who have become well-known, successful NFL players?

    Not a whole lot.

    No negotiations until after the season?
    So how would you negotiate with a Chad Greenway, who didn't play a down?
    Is he worth squat because he got injured?
    What about a guy like Rivers, who although drafted at #4, was behind Brees, so Rivers didn't play his first 2 years.
    I think he means, no negotiations when you're drafted.

    You get paid x amount, and thats it, same for everyone.
    After that point, you can re-negotiate based on how you did and whether the team wants to keep you.
    In cases like Greenway, he'd probably do anothe ryear base salary.
    But in cases like Rivers, he'd be free to sign elsewhere that would offer him more money (which would be the bad thing about that idea)
    I think they should be encouraged in every way to stay in school all 4 years. The average NFL career is only 3 and a half seasons. Why not have a degree to fall back on?

    Awards earn more because they earned it playing college ball. College athletes get screwed out of some jobs because of NCAA restrictions on how much they can make, and what they can get paid for. Why not get them paid to play, even if it is down the road? Again, incentives to stay in school.

    And I don't mean that they can negotiate with other teams after their rookie seasons. I think they should be signed to a 3-4 year deal based on the things listed above, and they may negotiate a new contract with that team following their rookie season.

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    Re: Thank God we didn't draft Crabtree

    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    I think rookie pay should be totally structured, and they should be paid:
    More if they finish school.
    Based on where they are selected, decreasing with each pick.
    More for any awards received as a college player, earning the most for the Heisman.
    The rookie contract may not be negotiated until the rookie season(including playoffs) is completed.

    That would eliminate this kaka del rio, get rid of rookie holdouts, they'd know what they're gonna make the minute they're picked.
    What?
    Finishing school has little to do with a guys talent.
    I'd agree.
    They don't make you go to trade school if you're becoming a secretary.



    I think the NFL's rule about having to be 2 yrs out of HS is good enough.
    The players that stay in school are the ones that are hoping they can increase their draft position by having a better year.

    Based on where they are selected?
    That's what they are doing now for the most part.
    Again, agreed.
    College to most players, is how you get noticed.
    get your name out there.
    They should not be forced to stay, nor should they be penalized for not staying.

    Awards???
    These are Gino Torretta's awards, what is he really worth?
    He wasn't even worth a 7th round pick.
    Awards: 1992 Heisman Trophy
    1992 Davey O'Brien Award
    1992 Johnny Unitas Award
    1992 Maxwell Award
    1992 Walter Camp Award
    1992 Harley Award
    more good stuff.
    Pay based on awards is pointless.
    How many guys have won the heisman?
    out of those players, who have become well-known, successful NFL players?

    Not a whole lot.

    No negotiations until after the season?
    So how would you negotiate with a Chad Greenway, who didn't play a down?
    Is he worth squat because he got injured?
    What about a guy like Rivers, who although drafted at #4, was behind Brees, so Rivers didn't play his first 2 years.
    I think he means, no negotiations when you're drafted.

    You get paid x amount, and thats it, same for everyone.
    After that point, you can re-negotiate based on how you did and whether the team wants to keep you.
    In cases like Greenway, he'd probably do anothe ryear base salary.
    But in cases like Rivers, he'd be free to sign elsewhere that would offer him more money (which would be the bad thing about that idea)
    I think they should be encouraged in every way to stay in school all 4 years. The average NFL career is only 3 and a half seasons. Why not have a degree to fall back on?
    It is a good idea to have your degree, but your pay shouldn't be based on something irrellevant to your position.
    Some of these guys probably can't even graduate if they wanted to.
    They take easy stuff just to be eligible for college ball.


    Awards earn more because they earned it playing college ball. College athletes get screwed out of some jobs because of NCAA restrictions on how much they can make, and what they can get paid for. Why not get them paid to play, even if it is down the road? Again, incentives to stay in school.
    Awards actually probably wouldn't be a bad idea to increase pay.
    I can agree with you here.

    And I don't mean that they can negotiate with other teams after their rookie seasons. I think they should be signed to a 3-4 year deal based on the things listed above, and they may negotiate a new contract with that team following their rookie season.
    Well, what if you drafted a first round guy, I'd want to lock him up for a while, not have him potentially leaving in 3 yeras.
    Or a late 7th round guy likely won't be signed to a longer 4 year deal, more like a 1 or 2 year deal.

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    Re: Thank God we didn't draft Crabtree

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    I think rookie pay should be totally structured, and they should be paid:
    More if they finish school.
    Based on where they are selected, decreasing with each pick.
    More for any awards received as a college player, earning the most for the Heisman.
    The rookie contract may not be negotiated until the rookie season(including playoffs) is completed.

    That would eliminate this kaka del rio, get rid of rookie holdouts, they'd know what they're gonna make the minute they're picked.
    What?
    Finishing school has little to do with a guys talent.
    I'd agree.
    They don't make you go to trade school if you're becoming a secretary.



    I think the NFL's rule about having to be 2 yrs out of HS is good enough.
    The players that stay in school are the ones that are hoping they can increase their draft position by having a better year.

    Based on where they are selected?
    That's what they are doing now for the most part.
    Again, agreed.
    College to most players, is how you get noticed.
    get your name out there.
    They should not be forced to stay, nor should they be penalized for not staying.

    Awards???
    These are Gino Torretta's awards, what is he really worth?
    He wasn't even worth a 7th round pick.
    Awards: 1992 Heisman Trophy
    1992 Davey O'Brien Award
    1992 Johnny Unitas Award
    1992 Maxwell Award
    1992 Walter Camp Award
    1992 Harley Award
    more good stuff.
    Pay based on awards is pointless.
    How many guys have won the heisman?
    out of those players, who have become well-known, successful NFL players?

    Not a whole lot.

    No negotiations until after the season?
    So how would you negotiate with a Chad Greenway, who didn't play a down?
    Is he worth squat because he got injured?
    What about a guy like Rivers, who although drafted at #4, was behind Brees, so Rivers didn't play his first 2 years.
    I think he means, no negotiations when you're drafted.

    You get paid x amount, and thats it, same for everyone.
    After that point, you can re-negotiate based on how you did and whether the team wants to keep you.
    In cases like Greenway, he'd probably do anothe ryear base salary.
    But in cases like Rivers, he'd be free to sign elsewhere that would offer him more money (which would be the bad thing about that idea)
    I think they should be encouraged in every way to stay in school all 4 years. The average NFL career is only 3 and a half seasons. Why not have a degree to fall back on?
    It is a good idea to have your degree, but your pay shouldn't be based on something irrellevant to your position.
    Some of these guys probably can't even graduate if they wanted to.
    They take easy stuff just to be eligible for college ball.


    Awards earn more because they earned it playing college ball. College athletes get screwed out of some jobs because of NCAA restrictions on how much they can make, and what they can get paid for. Why not get them paid to play, even if it is down the road? Again, incentives to stay in school.
    Awards actually probably wouldn't be a bad idea to increase pay.
    I can agree with you here.

    And I don't mean that they can negotiate with other teams after their rookie seasons. I think they should be signed to a 3-4 year deal based on the things listed above, and they may negotiate a new contract with that team following their rookie season.
    Well, what if you drafted a first round guy, I'd want to lock him up for a while, not have him potentially leaving in 3 yeras.

    Or a late 7th round guy likely won't be signed to a longer 4 year deal, more like a 1 or 2 year deal.
    The 7th rounder in all likelihood wouldn't make the team. If he did, he'd get a structured contract like the rest of them. But since he probably would not, I'm sure he wouldn't mind having a college degree.

    And they can graduate anywhere, professors pass them just because they're on the team, they get treated like royalty by their universities, they can get a bullshit degree, but that's all you need.

    You can give the guy more years on his deal when renegotiating his contract. It doesn't have to remain 3 or 4 like the original, league structured contract.

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    Re: Thank God we didn't draft Crabtree

    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    [quote author=Mr Anderson link=topic=52664.msg980186#msg980186 date=1249658808]
    I think rookie pay should be totally structured, and they should be paid:
    More if they finish school.
    Based on where they are selected, decreasing with each pick.
    More for any awards received as a college player, earning the most for the Heisman.
    The rookie contract may not be negotiated until the rookie season(including playoffs) is completed.

    That would eliminate this kaka del rio, get rid of rookie holdouts, they'd know what they're gonna make the minute they're picked.
    What?
    Finishing school has little to do with a guys talent.
    I'd agree.
    They don't make you go to trade school if you're becoming a secretary.



    I think the NFL's rule about having to be 2 yrs out of HS is good enough.
    The players that stay in school are the ones that are hoping they can increase their draft position by having a better year.

    Based on where they are selected?
    That's what they are doing now for the most part.
    Again, agreed.
    College to most players, is how you get noticed.
    get your name out there.
    They should not be forced to stay, nor should they be penalized for not staying.

    Awards???
    These are Gino Torretta's awards, what is he really worth?
    He wasn't even worth a 7th round pick.
    Awards: 1992 Heisman Trophy
    1992 Davey O'Brien Award
    1992 Johnny Unitas Award
    1992 Maxwell Award
    1992 Walter Camp Award
    1992 Harley Award
    more good stuff.
    Pay based on awards is pointless.
    How many guys have won the heisman?
    out of those players, who have become well-known, successful NFL players?

    Not a whole lot.

    No negotiations until after the season?
    So how would you negotiate with a Chad Greenway, who didn't play a down?
    Is he worth squat because he got injured?
    What about a guy like Rivers, who although drafted at #4, was behind Brees, so Rivers didn't play his first 2 years.
    I think he means, no negotiations when you're drafted.

    You get paid x amount, and thats it, same for everyone.
    After that point, you can re-negotiate based on how you did and whether the team wants to keep you.
    In cases like Greenway, he'd probably do anothe ryear base salary.
    But in cases like Rivers, he'd be free to sign elsewhere that would offer him more money (which would be the bad thing about that idea)
    I think they should be encouraged in every way to stay in school all 4 years. The average NFL career is only 3 and a half seasons. Why not have a degree to fall back on?
    It is a good idea to have your degree, but your pay shouldn't be based on something irrellevant to your position.
    Some of these guys probably can't even graduate if they wanted to.
    They take easy stuff just to be eligible for college ball.


    Awards earn more because they earned it playing college ball. College athletes get screwed out of some jobs because of NCAA restrictions on how much they can make, and what they can get paid for. Why not get them paid to play, even if it is down the road? Again, incentives to stay in school.
    Awards actually probably wouldn't be a bad idea to increase pay.
    I can agree with you here.

    And I don't mean that they can negotiate with other teams after their rookie seasons. I think they should be signed to a 3-4 year deal based on the things listed above, and they may negotiate a new contract with that team following their rookie season.
    Well, what if you drafted a first round guy, I'd want to lock him up for a while, not have him potentially leaving in 3 yeras.

    Or a late 7th round guy likely won't be signed to a longer 4 year deal, more like a 1 or 2 year deal.
    The 7th rounder in all likelihood wouldn't make the team. If he did, he'd get a structured contract like the rest of them. But since he probably would not, I'm sure he wouldn't mind having a college degree.

    And they can graduate anywhere, professors pass them just because they're on the team, they get treated like royalty by their universities, they can get a bullshit degree, but that's all you need.
    [/quote]

    what good does a bullshit degree do?
    Especially with todays economy, companies don't hire you because you get a degree, they hire you if you get a good degree.
    A degree in interior design from northern south mississippi state college isnt in high demand.
    They'd be better off doing into a trade or something.
    Some people aren't cut out for school, some are.
    Generally, the football players who can't do school on their own, are there solely for football.
    the teachers/admin probably help them through their degree, but they certainly don' tjust hand out the good ones.

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    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=gagarr link=topic=52664.msg980365#msg980365 date=1249679441]
    [quote author=Mr Anderson link=topic=52664.msg980186#msg980186 date=1249658808]
    I think rookie pay should be totally structured, and they should be paid:
    More if they finish school.
    Based on where they are selected, decreasing with each pick.
    More for any awards received as a college player, earning the most for the Heisman.
    The rookie contract may not be negotiated until the rookie season(including playoffs) is completed.

    That would eliminate this kaka del rio, get rid of rookie holdouts, they'd know what they're gonna make the minute they're picked.
    What?
    Finishing school has little to do with a guys talent.
    I'd agree.
    They don't make you go to trade school if you're becoming a secretary.



    I think the NFL's rule about having to be 2 yrs out of HS is good enough.
    The players that stay in school are the ones that are hoping they can increase their draft position by having a better year.

    Based on where they are selected?
    That's what they are doing now for the most part.
    Again, agreed.
    College to most players, is how you get noticed.
    get your name out there.
    They should not be forced to stay, nor should they be penalized for not staying.

    Awards???
    These are Gino Torretta's awards, what is he really worth?
    He wasn't even worth a 7th round pick.
    Awards: 1992 Heisman Trophy
    1992 Davey O'Brien Award
    1992 Johnny Unitas Award
    1992 Maxwell Award
    1992 Walter Camp Award
    1992 Harley Award
    more good stuff.
    Pay based on awards is pointless.
    How many guys have won the heisman?
    out of those players, who have become well-known, successful NFL players?

    Not a whole lot.

    No negotiations until after the season?
    So how would you negotiate with a Chad Greenway, who didn't play a down?
    Is he worth squat because he got injured?
    What about a guy like Rivers, who although drafted at #4, was behind Brees, so Rivers didn't play his first 2 years.
    I think he means, no negotiations when you're drafted.

    You get paid x amount, and thats it, same for everyone.
    After that point, you can re-negotiate based on how you did and whether the team wants to keep you.
    In cases like Greenway, he'd probably do anothe ryear base salary.
    But in cases like Rivers, he'd be free to sign elsewhere that would offer him more money (which would be the bad thing about that idea)
    I think they should be encouraged in every way to stay in school all 4 years. The average NFL career is only 3 and a half seasons. Why not have a degree to fall back on?
    It is a good idea to have your degree, but your pay shouldn't be based on something irrellevant to your position.
    Some of these guys probably can't even graduate if they wanted to.
    They take easy stuff just to be eligible for college ball.


    Awards earn more because they earned it playing college ball. College athletes get screwed out of some jobs because of NCAA restrictions on how much they can make, and what they can get paid for. Why not get them paid to play, even if it is down the road? Again, incentives to stay in school.
    Awards actually probably wouldn't be a bad idea to increase pay.
    I can agree with you here.

    And I don't mean that they can negotiate with other teams after their rookie seasons. I think they should be signed to a 3-4 year deal based on the things listed above, and they may negotiate a new contract with that team following their rookie season.
    Well, what if you drafted a first round guy, I'd want to lock him up for a while, not have him potentially leaving in 3 yeras.

    Or a late 7th round guy likely won't be signed to a longer 4 year deal, more like a 1 or 2 year deal.
    The 7th rounder in all likelihood wouldn't make the team. If he did, he'd get a structured contract like the rest of them. But since he probably would not, I'm sure he wouldn't mind having a college degree.

    And they can graduate anywhere, professors pass them just because they're on the team, they get treated like royalty by their universities, they can get a bullshit degree, but that's all you need.
    [/quote]

    what good does a bullshit degree do?
    Especially with todays economy, companies don't hire you because you get a degree, they hire you if you get a good degree.
    A degree in interior design from northern south mississippi state college isnt in high demand.
    They'd be better off doing into a trade or something.
    Some people aren't cut out for school, some are.
    Generally, the football players who can't do school on their own, are there solely for football.
    the teachers/admin probably help them through their degree, but they certainly don' tjust hand out the good ones.

    [/quote]
    I didn't mean a bullshit degree as in a degree in a bullshit field. I mean a degree you don't really earn. All that matters is you have that diploma.

    Actually, they do hand out pretty good degrees.
    Athletes major in basically everything except for lab-intensive classes like chem, bio, and physics.

    At least at my school they do.

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    The owners have the power to change this without any new contracts. All they have to do is say no and not pay the rookies these huge signing bonuses and that would be that. The problem is there are going to be greedy teams that will be willing to gamble on a player in hopes that they will generate more revenue for the team than the team plays them and that is where the so called problem lies.

    In the end we live in a capitalist society and the free market should and will dictate how much these players will be paid. At some time we will reach the point where fans will say they are not willing to pay 20,000 for a PSL and thousands more for season tickets and the market will correct itself. That is the way it should be.

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    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    I think rookie pay should be totally structured, and they should be paid:
    More if they finish school.
    Based on where they are selected, decreasing with each pick.
    More for any awards received as a college player, earning the most for the Heisman.
    The rookie contract may not be negotiated until the rookie season(including playoffs) is completed.

    That would eliminate this kaka del rio, get rid of rookie holdouts, they'd know what they're gonna make the minute they're picked.
    What?
    Finishing school has little to do with a guys talent.
    I'd agree.
    They don't make you go to trade school if you're becoming a secretary.



    I think the NFL's rule about having to be 2 yrs out of HS is good enough.
    The players that stay in school are the ones that are hoping they can increase their draft position by having a better year.

    Based on where they are selected?
    That's what they are doing now for the most part.
    Again, agreed.
    College to most players, is how you get noticed.
    get your name out there.
    They should not be forced to stay, nor should they be penalized for not staying.

    Awards???
    These are Gino Torretta's awards, what is he really worth?
    He wasn't even worth a 7th round pick.
    Awards: 1992 Heisman Trophy
    1992 Davey O'Brien Award
    1992 Johnny Unitas Award
    1992 Maxwell Award
    1992 Walter Camp Award
    1992 Harley Award
    more good stuff.
    Pay based on awards is pointless.
    How many guys have won the heisman?
    out of those players, who have become well-known, successful NFL players?

    Not a whole lot.

    No negotiations until after the season?
    So how would you negotiate with a Chad Greenway, who didn't play a down?
    Is he worth squat because he got injured?
    What about a guy like Rivers, who although drafted at #4, was behind Brees, so Rivers didn't play his first 2 years.
    I think he means, no negotiations when you're drafted.

    You get paid x amount, and thats it, same for everyone.
    After that point, you can re-negotiate based on how you did and whether the team wants to keep you.
    In cases like Greenway, he'd probably do anothe ryear base salary.
    But in cases like Rivers, he'd be free to sign elsewhere that would offer him more money (which would be the bad thing about that idea)
    I think they should be encouraged in every way to stay in school all 4 years. The average NFL career is only 3 and a half seasons. Why not have a degree to fall back on?

    Awards earn more because they earned it playing college ball. College athletes get screwed out of some jobs because of NCAA restrictions on how much they can make, and what they can get paid for. Why not get them paid to play, even if it is down the road? Again, incentives to stay in school.

    And I don't mean that they can negotiate with other teams after their rookie seasons. I think they should be signed to a 3-4 year deal based on the things listed above, and they may negotiate a new contract with that team following their rookie season.
    Stay in school and earn a degree to fall back on?

    Even if they only have 1 yr in the NFL, the minimum rookie salary is $310,000.
    More than enough to finance a college education after football.
    If they can get the 3 years, the minimum take would be $1,185,000.
    For that I say "We no need a stinking degree"
    Especially, when most of their degrees would get them around $30K a year.

    Awards? How much should have Gino Tarretta earn for the Heisman? Who should pay it?
    Missing out on Jobs? The NCAA restrictions are to stop some booster paying a top player, $500/hr to wash his Corvette by taking it 500 miles to Vegas to run it through a automatic car washer.
    It's not to get $15/hr to do computer programming.

    Post rookie negotiation?
    It would be a bigger mess.
    What leverage would someone like Rodgers have?
    He was behind Favre.
    Then because of injury a guy like Flacco gets to play and does well, so he gets a pay day, because he was lucky enough to play.
    Given that system, if I was Rodgers I would have "Tonya Harding" Favre first day of camp.

    I don't think there is anything really wrong with the current system.
    I think it's kinda unfair that a rookie like Ryan and Stafford can come in and earn more than McNabb, Brees, Cutler, Rodgers, Delhomme, Pennington, etc..


    The only thing I don't like is increased player salaries gets passed on in increased ticket prices.
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    Re: Thank God we didn't draft Crabtree

    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    I think rookie pay should be totally structured, and they should be paid:
    More if they finish school.
    Based on where they are selected, decreasing with each pick.
    More for any awards received as a college player, earning the most for the Heisman.
    The rookie contract may not be negotiated until the rookie season(including playoffs) is completed.

    That would eliminate this kaka del rio, get rid of rookie holdouts, they'd know what they're gonna make the minute they're picked.
    What?
    Finishing school has little to do with a guys talent.
    I'd agree.
    They don't make you go to trade school if you're becoming a secretary.



    I think the NFL's rule about having to be 2 yrs out of HS is good enough.
    The players that stay in school are the ones that are hoping they can increase their draft position by having a better year.

    Based on where they are selected?
    That's what they are doing now for the most part.
    Again, agreed.
    College to most players, is how you get noticed.
    get your name out there.
    They should not be forced to stay, nor should they be penalized for not staying.

    Awards???
    These are Gino Torretta's awards, what is he really worth?
    He wasn't even worth a 7th round pick.
    Awards: 1992 Heisman Trophy
    1992 Davey O'Brien Award
    1992 Johnny Unitas Award
    1992 Maxwell Award
    1992 Walter Camp Award
    1992 Harley Award
    more good stuff.
    Pay based on awards is pointless.
    How many guys have won the heisman?
    out of those players, who have become well-known, successful NFL players?

    Not a whole lot.

    No negotiations until after the season?
    So how would you negotiate with a Chad Greenway, who didn't play a down?
    Is he worth squat because he got injured?
    What about a guy like Rivers, who although drafted at #4, was behind Brees, so Rivers didn't play his first 2 years.
    I think he means, no negotiations when you're drafted.

    You get paid x amount, and thats it, same for everyone.
    After that point, you can re-negotiate based on how you did and whether the team wants to keep you.
    In cases like Greenway, he'd probably do anothe ryear base salary.
    But in cases like Rivers, he'd be free to sign elsewhere that would offer him more money (which would be the bad thing about that idea)
    I think they should be encouraged in every way to stay in school all 4 years. The average NFL career is only 3 and a half seasons. Why not have a degree to fall back on?

    Awards earn more because they earned it playing college ball. College athletes get screwed out of some jobs because of NCAA restrictions on how much they can make, and what they can get paid for. Why not get them paid to play, even if it is down the road? Again, incentives to stay in school.

    And I don't mean that they can negotiate with other teams after their rookie seasons. I think they should be signed to a 3-4 year deal based on the things listed above, and they may negotiate a new contract with that team following their rookie season.
    Stay in school and earn a degree to fall back on?

    Even if they only have 1 yr in the NFL, the minimum rookie salary is $310,000.
    More than enough to finance a college education after football.
    If they can get the 3 years, the minimum take would be $1,185,000.
    For that I say "We no need a stinking degree"
    Especially, when most of their degrees would get them around $30K a year.

    Awards? How much should have Gino Tarretta earn for the Heisman? Who should pay it?
    Missing out on Jobs? The NCAA restrictions are to stop some booster paying a top player, $500/hr to wash his Corvette by taking it 500 miles to Vegas to run it through a automatic car washer.
    It's not to get $15/hr to do computer programming.

    Post rookie negotiation?
    It would be a bigger mess.
    What leverage would someone like Rodgers have?
    He was behind Favre.
    Then because of injury a guy like Flacco gets to play and does well, so he gets a pay day, because he was lucky enough to play.
    Given that system, if I was Rodgers I would have "Tonya Harding" Favre first day of camp.

    I don't think there is anything really wrong with the current system.
    I think it's kinda unfair that a rookie like Ryan and Stafford can come in and earn more than McNabb, Brees, Cutler, Rodgers, Delhomme, Pennington, etc..


    The only thing I don't like is increased player salaries gets passed on in increased ticket prices.
    I think there's no doubt it needs to change, but not a massive re-structure.
    I'd say all you need to do is put a cap on salary and signing bonuses.
    Thats it.
    No more 40 million dollar bonuses.

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    I don't know how much weight to put into this, but call me concerned.


    It could be me...

    As I wait for the bottleneck to clear, and as I read the various positions taken regarding the value of a college degree...

    My guy B.J. Raji is that 9th pick in the dead-middle of this cluster you-know-what.

    He has a degree from Boston College (The Eagles, yay!)in Sociology, so I guess he can fall back on that.

    Thing is, like I said, I am concerned.
    Seems my man autographed some press passes while he attended Boston College.




    Maybe I'm being overly sensitive, but I remain concerned, as I said. I guess the best way I can put it is this.

    "Don't quit your day job, B.J."

    ;D




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