Thread: Thank God we didn't draft Crabtree

"kevoncox" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"The" wrote:

What a doooosh.

Why are you playing football, jerk? Obviously not for love of the game. Obviously not because you want to be the best or win championships. If I were the Niners I wouldn't even want this feck on my team.

What does the love of the game have to do with with getting your contract right. We beeyatch at players for taking a deal and then holding out when they complain it's unfair. I rather have a player stand his ground and get his contract right and play without any contract disputes.

He is not going back into the draft. This isn't the 1960's where a player can decide to go back into the draft. In todays game, 1 year off is a killer to YOUNG players. Mike Vick now....that's another case.

Get his contract right?
He was drafted as #10 and is asking to be paid like a top 5.
In a rookie salary situation that is WAY overinflated anyway.

Again, I am not saying he is entitled to more money. I'm simply saying that I rather it gets taken care of upfront than him coming out of nowhere in 2011 and bitching to the media that he doesn't make enough. How many players do you see bitching in the middle of a contact about not making enough money. We always say, " They signed a contract, they should play it out"

He is a diva but I rather he be a diva when he is entitled to negotiate his contract than blindsiding the team

Haha.

If he performs on the field, he will EARN more money. Why the fuck should the Niners pay him more when he's never played a down in the NFL? Because maybe, someday, he might perform well enough to make more?

Ha. Hahaha.

"kevoncox" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"The" wrote:

What a doooosh.

Why are you playing football, jerk? Obviously not for love of the game. Obviously not because you want to be the best or win championships. If I were the Niners I wouldn't even want this feck on my team.

What does the love of the game have to do with with getting your contract right. We beeyatch at players for taking a deal and then holding out when they complain it's unfair. I rather have a player stand his ground and get his contract right and play without any contract disputes.

He is not going back into the draft. This isn't the 1960's where a player can decide to go back into the draft. In todays game, 1 year off is a killer to YOUNG players. Mike Vick now....that's another case.

Get his contract right?
He was drafted as #10 and is asking to be paid like a top 5.
In a rookie salary situation that is WAY overinflated anyway.

Again, I am not saying he is entitled to more money. I'm simply saying that I rather it gets taken care of upfront than him coming out of nowhere in 2011 and bitching to the media that he doesn't make enough. How many players do you see bitching in the middle of a contact about not making enough money. We always say, " They signed a contract, they should play it out"

He is a diva but I rather he be a diva when he is entitled to negotiate his contract than blindsiding the team

There is no winning position for teams when it comes to rookie contracts because the contracts are insane.

Teams pony up huge piles of dough to players in the 1st round...and year after year we comment on how many of them wind up as busts.
But they all walk away set for life.
Hell, I can suck that bad too, where are MY millions?

Then you have the guys who overachieve - the third and fourth rounders who come alive in year 3 of their rookie deal.
They start whining because after ONE season of great numbers, they aren't making money like the elites.
So they hold out and make all sorts of ruckus...and half of them fizzle after getting big contracts (Javon Walker?).

Where does any of this make sense?


It doesn't.

Rookies should be paid a flat wage - determined by the NFL - for the first 2 years of their careers.
After which, they would be restricted Free agents.
No more millions for the #1 guy.
Maybe 1 million for #1, and reduce it by $10,000 for each player subsequently picked throughout the first round.
That puts #32 at $690,000.
Not bad for playing a GAME.

Everyone else gets rookie wages - whatever that is - for the same 2 year period, with the same restricted Free Agency tag.

As an added incentive, each player DRAFTED gets a $100,000 bonus if they make the roster, and $50,000 if they don't.

See, that's after thinking about it for 15 minutes.
It isn't hard to fix - and it stops ALL the problems cold.
Of course, that means they'll never do it.

Caine

"Caine" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"The" wrote:

What a doooosh.

Why are you playing football, jerk? Obviously not for love of the game. Obviously not because you want to be the best or win championships. If I were the Niners I wouldn't even want this feck on my team.

What does the love of the game have to do with with getting your contract right. We beeyatch at players for taking a deal and then holding out when they complain it's unfair. I rather have a player stand his ground and get his contract right and play without any contract disputes.

He is not going back into the draft. This isn't the 1960's where a player can decide to go back into the draft. In todays game, 1 year off is a killer to YOUNG players. Mike Vick now....that's another case.

Get his contract right?
He was drafted as #10 and is asking to be paid like a top 5.
In a rookie salary situation that is WAY overinflated anyway.

Again, I am not saying he is entitled to more money. I'm simply saying that I rather it gets taken care of upfront than him coming out of nowhere in 2011 and bitching to the media that he doesn't make enough. How many players do you see bitching in the middle of a contact about not making enough money. We always say, " They signed a contract, they should play it out"

He is a diva but I rather he be a diva when he is entitled to negotiate his contract than blindsiding the team

There is no winning position for teams when it comes to rookie contracts because the contracts are insane.

Teams pony up huge piles of dough to players in the 1st round...and year after year we comment on how many of them wind up as busts.
But they all walk away set for life.
Hell, I can suck that bad too, where are MY millions?

Then you have the guys who overachieve - the third and fourth rounders who come alive in year 3 of their rookie deal.
They start whining because after ONE season of great numbers, they aren't making money like the elites.
So they hold out and make all sorts of ruckus...and half of them fizzle after getting big contracts (Javon Walker?).

Where does any of this make sense?


It doesn't.

Rookies should be paid a flat wage - determined by the NFL - for the first 2 years of their careers.
After which, they would be restricted Free agents.
No more millions for the #1 guy.
Maybe 1 million for #1, and reduce it by $10,000 for each player subsequently picked throughout the first round.
That puts #32 at $690,000.
Not bad for playing a GAME.

Everyone else gets rookie wages - whatever that is - for the same 2 year period, with the same restricted Free Agency tag.

As an added incentive, each player DRAFTED gets a $100,000 bonus if they make the roster, and $50,000 if they don't.

See, that's after thinking about it for 15 minutes.
It isn't hard to fix - and it stops ALL the problems cold.
Of course, that means they'll never do it.

Caine

Setting fixed wages? I dunno, sounds like a bunch of anti-free market, socialist drivel to me! [size=1pt](I say this knowing your political stance on such issues--and I'm just giving you a bit of a ribbing )[/size]

Seriously though, this is a great idea, which means it will never happen, unfortunately.

"Caine" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"The" wrote:

What a doooosh.

Why are you playing football, jerk? Obviously not for love of the game. Obviously not because you want to be the best or win championships. If I were the Niners I wouldn't even want this feck on my team.

What does the love of the game have to do with with getting your contract right. We beeyatch at players for taking a deal and then holding out when they complain it's unfair. I rather have a player stand his ground and get his contract right and play without any contract disputes.

He is not going back into the draft. This isn't the 1960's where a player can decide to go back into the draft. In todays game, 1 year off is a killer to YOUNG players. Mike Vick now....that's another case.

Get his contract right?
He was drafted as #10 and is asking to be paid like a top 5.
In a rookie salary situation that is WAY overinflated anyway.

Again, I am not saying he is entitled to more money. I'm simply saying that I rather it gets taken care of upfront than him coming out of nowhere in 2011 and bitching to the media that he doesn't make enough. How many players do you see bitching in the middle of a contact about not making enough money. We always say, " They signed a contract, they should play it out"

He is a diva but I rather he be a diva when he is entitled to negotiate his contract than blindsiding the team

There is no winning position for teams when it comes to rookie contracts because the contracts are insane.

Teams pony up huge piles of dough to players in the 1st round...and year after year we comment on how many of them wind up as busts.
But they all walk away set for life.
Hell, I can suck that bad too, where are MY millions?

Then you have the guys who overachieve - the third and fourth rounders who come alive in year 3 of their rookie deal.
They start whining because after ONE season of great numbers, they aren't making money like the elites.
So they hold out and make all sorts of ruckus...and half of them fizzle after getting big contracts (Javon Walker?).

Where does any of this make sense?


It doesn't.

Rookies should be paid a flat wage - determined by the NFL - for the first 2 years of their careers.
After which, they would be restricted Free agents.
No more millions for the #1 guy.
Maybe 1 million for #1, and reduce it by $10,000 for each player subsequently picked throughout the first round.
That puts #32 at $690,000.
Not bad for playing a GAME.

Everyone else gets rookie wages - whatever that is - for the same 2 year period, with the same restricted Free Agency tag.

As an added incentive, each player DRAFTED gets a $100,000 bonus if they make the roster, and $50,000 if they don't.

See, that's after thinking about it for 15 minutes.
It isn't hard to fix - and it stops ALL the problems cold.
Of course, that means they'll never do it.

Caine

Your idea is on the right track but 1 million is too low. I think it would have to start at 10 million and work it's way down. Your label of a GAME is an insult. Yes we both get up every morning and go to a job we hate but
so do players. It's not all fun and a great time. These guys give their bodies up for our enjoyment. I doubt a player like Priest Holmes, who has had shit load of knee and hip injuries, thinks of it as just a game. It's entertainment but it's a job. One they trained for since their freshman year in high school.

Makes me kind of happy about Harvin. He could have asked for top 10 or 15 money and be unsigned right now too.

"kevoncox" wrote:

"Caine" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

[quote author=The Dropper link=topic=52664.msg979799#msg979799 date=1249575675]
What a doooosh.

Why are you playing football, jerk? Obviously not for love of the game. Obviously not because you want to be the best or win championships. If I were the Niners I wouldn't even want this feck on my team.

What does the love of the game have to do with with getting your contract right. We beeyatch at players for taking a deal and then holding out when they complain it's unfair. I rather have a player stand his ground and get his contract right and play without any contract disputes.

He is not going back into the draft. This isn't the 1960's where a player can decide to go back into the draft. In todays game, 1 year off is a killer to YOUNG players. Mike Vick now....that's another case.

Get his contract right?
He was drafted as #10 and is asking to be paid like a top 5.
In a rookie salary situation that is WAY overinflated anyway.

Again, I am not saying he is entitled to more money. I'm simply saying that I rather it gets taken care of upfront than him coming out of nowhere in 2011 and bitching to the media that he doesn't make enough. How many players do you see bitching in the middle of a contact about not making enough money. We always say, " They signed a contract, they should play it out"

He is a diva but I rather he be a diva when he is entitled to negotiate his contract than blindsiding the team

There is no winning position for teams when it comes to rookie contracts because the contracts are insane.

Teams pony up huge piles of dough to players in the 1st round...and year after year we comment on how many of them wind up as busts.
But they all walk away set for life.
Hell, I can suck that bad too, where are MY millions?

Then you have the guys who overachieve - the third and fourth rounders who come alive in year 3 of their rookie deal.
They start whining because after ONE season of great numbers, they aren't making money like the elites.
So they hold out and make all sorts of ruckus...and half of them fizzle after getting big contracts (Javon Walker?).

Where does any of this make sense?


It doesn't.

Rookies should be paid a flat wage - determined by the NFL - for the first 2 years of their careers.
After which, they would be restricted Free agents.
No more millions for the #1 guy.
Maybe 1 million for #1, and reduce it by $10,000 for each player subsequently picked throughout the first round.
That puts #32 at $690,000.
Not bad for playing a GAME.

Everyone else gets rookie wages - whatever that is - for the same 2 year period, with the same restricted Free Agency tag.

As an added incentive, each player DRAFTED gets a $100,000 bonus if they make the roster, and $50,000 if they don't.

See, that's after thinking about it for 15 minutes.
It isn't hard to fix - and it stops ALL the problems cold.
Of course, that means they'll never do it.

Caine

Your idea is on the right track but 1 million is too low. I think it would have to start at 10 million and work it's way down. Your label of a GAME is an insult. Yes we both get up every morning and go to a job we hate but
so do players. It's not all fun and a great time. These guys give their bodies up for our enjoyment. I doubt a player like Priest Holmes, who has had shit load of knee and hip injuries, thinks of it as just a game. It's entertainment but it's a job. One they trained for since their freshman year in high school.
[/quote]

you kidding me?
They might not look at it as a GAME, but its their life.
They do it because they love it.
Holmes coudl have retired years ago after his first or second injury and been set financially for life, but he continued to play.
He doesn't do it so we have something to watch on Sunday, he does it because he loves it.

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"Caine" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=52664.msg979814#msg979814 date=1249576378]
[quote author=The Dropper link=topic=52664.msg979799#msg979799 date=1249575675]
What a doooosh.

Why are you playing football, jerk? Obviously not for love of the game. Obviously not because you want to be the best or win championships. If I were the Niners I wouldn't even want this feck on my team.

What does the love of the game have to do with with getting your contract right. We beeyatch at players for taking a deal and then holding out when they complain it's unfair. I rather have a player stand his ground and get his contract right and play without any contract disputes.

He is not going back into the draft. This isn't the 1960's where a player can decide to go back into the draft. In todays game, 1 year off is a killer to YOUNG players. Mike Vick now....that's another case.

Get his contract right?
He was drafted as #10 and is asking to be paid like a top 5.
In a rookie salary situation that is WAY overinflated anyway.

Again, I am not saying he is entitled to more money. I'm simply saying that I rather it gets taken care of upfront than him coming out of nowhere in 2011 and bitching to the media that he doesn't make enough. How many players do you see bitching in the middle of a contact about not making enough money. We always say, " They signed a contract, they should play it out"

He is a diva but I rather he be a diva when he is entitled to negotiate his contract than blindsiding the team

There is no winning position for teams when it comes to rookie contracts because the contracts are insane.

Teams pony up huge piles of dough to players in the 1st round...and year after year we comment on how many of them wind up as busts.
But they all walk away set for life.
Hell, I can suck that bad too, where are MY millions?

Then you have the guys who overachieve - the third and fourth rounders who come alive in year 3 of their rookie deal.
They start whining because after ONE season of great numbers, they aren't making money like the elites.
So they hold out and make all sorts of ruckus...and half of them fizzle after getting big contracts (Javon Walker?).

Where does any of this make sense?


It doesn't.

Rookies should be paid a flat wage - determined by the NFL - for the first 2 years of their careers.
After which, they would be restricted Free agents.
No more millions for the #1 guy.
Maybe 1 million for #1, and reduce it by $10,000 for each player subsequently picked throughout the first round.
That puts #32 at $690,000.
Not bad for playing a GAME.

Everyone else gets rookie wages - whatever that is - for the same 2 year period, with the same restricted Free Agency tag.

As an added incentive, each player DRAFTED gets a $100,000 bonus if they make the roster, and $50,000 if they don't.

See, that's after thinking about it for 15 minutes.
It isn't hard to fix - and it stops ALL the problems cold.
Of course, that means they'll never do it.

Caine

Your idea is on the right track but 1 million is too low. I think it would have to start at 10 million and work it's way down. Your label of a GAME is an insult. Yes we both get up every morning and go to a job we hate but
so do players. It's not all fun and a great time. These guys give their bodies up for our enjoyment. I doubt a player like Priest Holmes, who has had pooh load of knee and hip injuries, thinks of it as just a game. It's entertainment but it's a job. One they trained for since their freshman year in high school.
[/quote]

you kidding me?
They might not look at it as a GAME, but its their life.
They do it because they love it.
Holmes coudl have retired years ago after his first or second injury and been set financially for life, but he continued to play.
He doesn't do it so we have something to watch on Sunday, he does it because he loves it.
[/quote]

You are arguing something else completely. I am talking about his labeling it as a game in order to demean Crabtree's worth, basically stating that he should be luck to be getting anything to be playing. I simply stated that this is more than just a game to these men. It's their job and lives. I also tried to hint that their bodies will never be the same after they stop playing this "game".

You are arguing passion vs. payment. I'm not. I'm saying that what we see as entertainment is someone's job. I wager it's not as easy as most on here think it is. Mentally, the hits make you want to walk away. The business said of things make you want to walk away. The constant traveling makes you want to walk away. The tool it takes on your body and the way it seems to age you faster than most, makes you want to walk away. I'm not saying these guys don't love the game(some do, some don't). I am saying it's not JUST a GAME.

He's a fag

"kevoncox" wrote:

"Caine" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

[quote author=The Dropper link=topic=52664.msg979799#msg979799 date=1249575675]
What a doooosh.

Why are you playing football, jerk? Obviously not for love of the game. Obviously not because you want to be the best or win championships. If I were the Niners I wouldn't even want this feck on my team.

What does the love of the game have to do with with getting your contract right. We beeyatch at players for taking a deal and then holding out when they complain it's unfair. I rather have a player stand his ground and get his contract right and play without any contract disputes.

He is not going back into the draft. This isn't the 1960's where a player can decide to go back into the draft. In todays game, 1 year off is a killer to YOUNG players. Mike Vick now....that's another case.

Get his contract right?
He was drafted as #10 and is asking to be paid like a top 5.
In a rookie salary situation that is WAY overinflated anyway.

Again, I am not saying he is entitled to more money. I'm simply saying that I rather it gets taken care of upfront than him coming out of nowhere in 2011 and bitching to the media that he doesn't make enough. How many players do you see bitching in the middle of a contact about not making enough money. We always say, " They signed a contract, they should play it out"

He is a diva but I rather he be a diva when he is entitled to negotiate his contract than blindsiding the team

There is no winning position for teams when it comes to rookie contracts because the contracts are insane.

Teams pony up huge piles of dough to players in the 1st round...and year after year we comment on how many of them wind up as busts.
But they all walk away set for life.
Hell, I can suck that bad too, where are MY millions?

Then you have the guys who overachieve - the third and fourth rounders who come alive in year 3 of their rookie deal.
They start whining because after ONE season of great numbers, they aren't making money like the elites.
So they hold out and make all sorts of ruckus...and half of them fizzle after getting big contracts (Javon Walker?).

Where does any of this make sense?


It doesn't.

Rookies should be paid a flat wage - determined by the NFL - for the first 2 years of their careers.
After which, they would be restricted Free agents.
No more millions for the #1 guy.
Maybe 1 million for #1, and reduce it by $10,000 for each player subsequently picked throughout the first round.
That puts #32 at $690,000.
Not bad for playing a GAME.

Everyone else gets rookie wages - whatever that is - for the same 2 year period, with the same restricted Free Agency tag.

As an added incentive, each player DRAFTED gets a $100,000 bonus if they make the roster, and $50,000 if they don't.

See, that's after thinking about it for 15 minutes.
It isn't hard to fix - and it stops ALL the problems cold.
Of course, that means they'll never do it.

Caine

Your idea is on the right track but 1 million is too low. I think it would have to start at 10 million and work it's way down. Your label of a GAME is an insult. Yes we both get up every morning and go to a job we hate but
so do players. It's not all fun and a great time. These guys give their bodies up for our enjoyment. I doubt a player like Priest Holmes, who has had pooh load of knee and hip injuries, thinks of it as just a game. It's entertainment but it's a job. One they trained for since their freshman year in high school.
[/quote]

1 million is too low?? please if they can't hack that then how about using some of that college education that they get and get a job like the rest of us. I'd like to find a job which pays 1 million if it doesn't get to work out for you.
Getting drafted into the NFL is like going into an apprenticeship as, even though they are good to be drafted, they still have so much to learn about it a pro level. Unfortunately so many look on it as a licence to print money without putting in the groundwork, more so when they have greedy agents and family members advising them.

Not a fan... I wasn't a fan before the draft either.
What makes him so special?? I don't see him gaining all that much seperation on the corners in the NFL.