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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
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    I agree its a shame we didn't keep him. He is at least better than McMullen.
    McMullen
    Rec Yds

    Avg
    Long TD
    23
    307 13.3

    40

    2
    Bethel


    9
    156 17.3

    40

    0

    Numbers sure prove that one.


    Additionally, I believe he did sign with Philly but was released later after he failed a physical or something like that.
    Injury issues, lack of production at WR might have been the reason why he was released by the Vikes.

    Briefly mentioned here as well aluded to in the first article.

    http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/395995


    yeah, thats real fair because they got the same amount of playing time and everything, not to mention McMullen is a possession receiver and Johnson is more of a deep threat. Considering where Johnson was drafted and where McMullen was, its pretty clear who in underacheiving between the two. The bottom line is that Childress wants "his guys" and for some stupid reason McMullen is his guy and Johnson isn't. The same can be said about the rest of the receivers we let go this year.
    Good points V however........

    what kindof WR do you want on the roster when you are trying to execute/run the WCO?


    A deep threat or a possesion guy?

    I would say that they both have a role, but, the possesion guy is gonna have a more prevelant role resulting in the staff (not just B-chill) filling the roster with guys that fit the scheme.

    Now if we were still running a offense with "The Randy Ratio" approach to chucking it deep every play then I would say we would want the deep threat guy.

    Again, it all comes back to scheme.
    That is where we will always disagree.
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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

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    According to many on this site, he was the saviour.
    What will we do?
    All the stars seemed to be in alignment for one game then, poof!
    “What takes a quarterback to the next level is not arm strength or mobility or any of that stuff. It’s the ability to play on critical downs. Manage third downs, or red zones or four-minute or two-minute situations"
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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

    "V" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    I agree its a shame we didn't keep him. He is at least better than McMullen.
    McMullen
    Rec Yds

    Avg
    Long TD
    23
    307 13.3

    40

    2
    Bethel


    9
    156 17.3

    40

    0

    Numbers sure prove that one.


    Additionally, I believe he did sign with Philly but was released later after he failed a physical or something like that.
    Injury issues, lack of production at WR might have been the reason why he was released by the Vikes.

    Briefly mentioned here as well aluded to in the first article.

    http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/395995


    yeah, thats real fair because they got the same amount of playing time and everything, not to mention McMullen is a possession receiver and Johnson is more of a deep threat. Considering where Johnson was drafted and where McMullen was, its pretty clear who in underacheiving between the two. The bottom line is that Childress wants "his guys" and for some stupid reason McMullen is his guy and Johnson isn't. The same can be said about the rest of the receivers we let go this year.
    Good points V however........

    what kindof WR do you want on the roster when you are trying to execute/run the WCO?


    A deep threat or a possesion guy?

    I would say that they both have a role, but, the possesion guy is gonna have a more prevelant role resulting in the staff (not just B-chill) filling the roster with guys that fit the scheme.

    Now if we were still running a offense with "The Randy Ratio" approach to chucking it deep every play then I would say we would want the deep threat guy.

    Again, it all comes back to scheme.
    That is where we will always disagree.
    It is fun though isn't it?
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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
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    "V" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=V link=topic=35640.msg601112#msg601112 date=1184031581]
    I agree its a shame we didn't keep him. He is at least better than McMullen.
    McMullen
    Rec Yds

    Avg
    Long TD
    23
    307 13.3

    40

    2
    Bethel


    9
    156 17.3

    40

    0

    Numbers sure prove that one.


    Additionally, I believe he did sign with Philly but was released later after he failed a physical or something like that.
    Injury issues, lack of production at WR might have been the reason why he was released by the Vikes.

    Briefly mentioned here as well aluded to in the first article.

    http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/395995


    yeah, thats real fair because they got the same amount of playing time and everything, not to mention McMullen is a possession receiver and Johnson is more of a deep threat. Considering where Johnson was drafted and where McMullen was, its pretty clear who in underacheiving between the two. The bottom line is that Childress wants "his guys" and for some stupid reason McMullen is his guy and Johnson isn't. The same can be said about the rest of the receivers we let go this year.
    Good points V however........

    what kindof WR do you want on the roster when you are trying to execute/run the WCO?


    A deep threat or a possesion guy?

    I would say that they both have a role, but, the possesion guy is gonna have a more prevelant role resulting in the staff (not just B-chill) filling the roster with guys that fit the scheme.

    Now if we were still running a offense with "The Randy Ratio" approach to chucking it deep every play then I would say we would want the deep threat guy.

    Again, it all comes back to scheme.
    That is where we will always disagree.
    It is fun though isn't it?
    ;D
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    Knowing that we have a coach that will pass on a talented player because "he doesn't fit the scheme" is not fun.
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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

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    Knowing that we have a coach that will pass on a talented player because "he doesn't fit the scheme" is not fun.
    Why blow investments and resources on a player that doesn't fit our scheme?

    Wouldn't the wiser move be to hold out and get the right player?

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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

    He took his two Super Bowl rings with
    him too.
    Wonder why Belichick ever traded him.

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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

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    He took his two Super Bowl rings with
    him too.
    Wonder why Belichick ever traded him.
    He gambled that Jonathan Sullivan didn't completely suck, he was wrong.


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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "V" wrote:

    Knowing that we have a coach that will pass on a talented player because "he doesn't fit the scheme" is not fun.
    Why blow investments and resources on a player that doesn't fit our scheme?

    Wouldn't the wiser move be to hold out and get the right player?
    No, the wiser move would be to adjust your scheme to maximize the productivity of talented player you just got.

    For example: we all expect us to run more with the addition of AD. To do that you have to change the scheme from last year, when we passed 55% of the time. If we do run more, we should be more successful on offense. That is what you call putting your players in the best position to make big plays and win the game for you.

    Childress on the other hand, took a solid player like Jermaine Wiggins and saw him as useless because "he didn't fit the scheme." Wiggins' productivity dropped because the coach was unwilling to change his scheme to fit in our best pass catcher when we were having problems catching the ball.

    Are Shiancoe, Wade, Rice, and Allison better than Wiggins, Robinson, Taylor, and Johnson?

    They might be in the future, but right now certainly not. We are just going to have to run more.

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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

    "V" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "V" wrote:

    Knowing that we have a coach that will pass on a talented player because "he doesn't fit the scheme" is not fun.
    Why blow investments and resources on a player that doesn't fit our scheme?

    Wouldn't the wiser move be to hold out and get the right player?
    No, the wiser move would be to adjust your scheme to maximize the productivity of talented player you just got.

    For example: we all expect us to run more with the addition of AD. To do that you have to change the scheme from last year, when we passed 55% of the time. If we do run more, we should be more successful on offense. That is what you call putting your players in the best position to make big plays and win the game for you.

    Childress on the other hand, took a solid player like Jermaine Wiggins and saw him as useless because "he didn't fit the scheme." Wiggins' productivity dropped because the coach was unwilling to change his scheme to fit in our best pass catcher when we were having problems catching the ball.

    Are Shiancoe, Wade, Rice, and Allison better than Wiggins, Robinson, Taylor, and Johnson?

    They might be in the future, but right now certainly not. We are just going to have to run more.

    If we kept the same WR corps as last year i already would have splattered my brains everywhere. Change is good. We can only go up.

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    Re: Texans sign WR Bethel Johnson

    "Prophet" wrote:
    According to many on this site, he was the saviour.
    What will we do?
    I have already begun to worship Bobby Wade.
    He is the one true messiah you all will see after the season of the reckoning.


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