09-06-2012, 01:32 PM #101
09-06-2012, 01:53 PM #102
Say what you will, but I fully believe the hatred towards Jackson on these boards is a bit suspect and doesn't have much to do with football. Interpret that how you will.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
09-06-2012, 02:21 PM #103
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The part that you don't seem to get is that many people form their opinions on players by what they see on the field. Not by some misplaced stats...or charts Keep the stats for the fantasy leagues, where they really serve a purpose.
Ponder looks much more natural leading the team than TJ ever did. He may never develop into the guy we need, but at this point I see more potential than I did in TJ. That doesn't make me a hypocrite, just an opinion that I have based on watching them play.
As to your last insinuation...I think your way off base, but then you know that. Just another way to try and deflect your errant support of TJ.
And lastly, who is saying Ponder is going to have a huge year and who is giving him every chance to succeed? I am expecting a very pedestrian year, largely because he plays for the Vikings. I am hoping for a lot of improvement over last year. If I don't see it, I will more than likely turn on him, like most impatient fans.
09-06-2012, 02:23 PM #104
And Ponder will be a career backup too. Believe me or don't. I don't care.
That's all. Just pointing it out.
Last edited by C Mac D; 09-06-2012 at 02:31 PM.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
09-06-2012, 02:26 PM #105
09-06-2012, 03:25 PM #106
09-06-2012, 04:57 PM #107
But on that same topic I seem to recall many people being very supportive of TJack after his first year. Hell, a lot of us were arguing into his 3rd year that he hadn't been given a good enough chance to prove himself. Ring any bells? Most fans aren't ready to jump ship on Ponder just yet, just like most fans weren't ready to bail on Jackson after his first year.
09-06-2012, 05:42 PM #108
Despite the misquote above that attributes C Mac's statement to me......
I think the most significant difference is HOW they play the game. Jackson rode the Defense and Peterson. If they failed, so did Jackson.
Ponder leads. Granted, he hasn't been very successful thus far, but he's failed going forward - a direction Jackson never took.
I'm NOT saying Ponder will amaze us all and light up the league, but I AM saying that ponder has shown more potential to truly develop into a decent QB than Jackson did at the same stage.
09-06-2012, 05:49 PM #109
Jackson out-performed Ponder when you compare both of their first years as starters. People insulted and vehemently disliked Jackson, immediately coming up with the name "T-Joke" and saying he'd never amount to anything.
Ponder played piss poor as well, but is not receiving anywhere near as harsh criticisms... or nicknames.
Ponder will never turn into an Aaron Rodgers, so I'm not concerned with anyone "being right" about their evaluations. I just find it odd how adamant some people were about their hatred over Jackson... yet have total willingness to give Ponder more time to develop.
Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant. These are honest observations from people on this site. If they make you mad, it's because you know I'm right.
Jackson's record was 8-4 in 2007.
Ponder's record last year was 2-8.
Last edited by C Mac D; 09-06-2012 at 05:56 PM.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.
09-06-2012, 05:58 PM #110
I'm very interested in your answer, not even sarcastically. I hear a lot of vague references that Ponder can "lead" and has "shown more potential"... but none of the facts support those claims.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.