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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.

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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

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    Looks like Caine & 13 others are wrong....

    Seattle Seahawks name Tarvaris Jackson starting QB

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-07-30/seattle-seahawks-name-tarvaris-jackson-starting-qb
    How am I wrong? Look at the #46 post in this thread (Mine) and you'll see the following quote:

    Yup, he got a job because Seattle was dumb enough to sign Bevell as the OC.

    Carroll installed Jackson as the starter right away because he wanted to build "continuity". Also, did you see who the Seachickens have as QB's? Hell, I would be the starter there....

    That doesn't mean he'll do well.
    Did he compete for this job? Nope...just like every other time he's been named starter, it was gifted to him.

    Caine
    This is how....

    Poll: If it\'s down to these two, who will start in Seattle?
    Charlie Whitehurst 14
    58.3%
    Tarvaris Jackson 10 41.7%
    I'm referring to the 14 that answered "Whitehurst" to the poll of which you are easily one.

    It's irrelevant to the poll whether that position was won or gifted.
    its only irrelevant if you ignore the opening post to understand the context:

    "So if it does happen to come down to Charlie Whitehurst and Tarvaris Fox Jackson III battling it out for the starting job for the Seahawks, which one do you think wins it? "


    They never battled it out as was prefaced in the initial post so the results are void. I even asked for clarification in an early post and he reinforced that the poll was about a competition not a gifted spot as this appeaes to be.
    I was referring to the poll question as it was asked, not the poll question as it was interpreted along with or in addition to another post in this thread.

    Like I said, gifted or not, Jackson has been named the starter, not Whitehurst
    Yup. According to the verbiage of the question, I am wrong.

    However, I'm pretty sure that the results of the season will show Carrol and Bevell wrong...

    B)

    Caine
    Oh no Caine ... you are fully aware of how it works.

    It is the offensive line's fault, the WR's fault, the coaches fault or the punter's fault.

    But it is NEVER ... and I mean EEEEEEEEVVVVVVER ... T-Jack's fault.
    You must have Favre confused with Jackson.
    No one made excuses for Favre...he got crucified. Only Teflon Jackson was showered with excuses.

    Caine
    Your memory that short it only goes back a few months & not from the time he got here?

    I believe you your self made a post that said similarly "If he only had receivers to throw to".

    There were excuses made on receivers not getting open.

    There were excuses made about receivers dropping balls, especially those that touched outstretched arms.

    There were excuses made on the front line not protecting the QB.

    There were excuses made on him being rusty due to lack of training/preparation.

    There were excuses made on him not having gelled with the team yet.

    There were excuses made because of his ankle, his shoulder, his tendonitis.

    There were excuses made on him not having gelled with the team yet.

    There were excuses made on play calling.

    There were excuses made on receivers zigging when they should have zagged.

    Your memory being refreshed yet?
    Wow, talk about selective memories....

    When discussing Favre last year, the VAST MAJORITY of his SUPPORTERS stated, "Favre played like crap...AND the receivers sucked, AND the O-line sucked".

    When discussing Teflon Tarvaris, his supporters left off the "Tarvaris played like crap" part and went right to the other elements as EXCUSES for his poor performances.

    And, FYI, the excuse about "him being rusty due to lack of training/preparation" was never used...that was BLAME that was directed straight AT him.

    And play calling excuses weren't made either, because we all knew Brett changed the play at the line many times...Jackson was the ONLY beneficiary of the "play calling" excuses.

    Again, my memory isn't the one needing refreshing...

    Caine
    We aren't talking about just 2010 here, it includes 2009 as well. Sure some fans finally admitted Favre played like shit after losses piled up & they no longer could avoid the inevitable, but others hung on to excuses for as long as they could.

    The term "rust" wasn't used to blame Favre, it was used more in the sense of giving him a free pass because of it. (See Vikings vs. Saints 2010 postgame thread)

    Others in that thread talked about many things that were wrong & left Favre out of the equation.

    You yourself never mentioned Favre playing bad in that thread either, but made sure you went off & bragged about all the records Favre owns when someone mentioned the INT's.
    You call it "bragged", I call it "Put it into context".

    And now you're basing all of your assertions on ONE thread?

    C'mon.

    I bashed Favre for not coming to camp. I bashed Favre for poor play in 2010.

    I LAUDED Favre for supplying a spark in '09, and taking charge of the team (Something we hadn't had a QB do since Gus Frerotte did it in '08).

    But I NEVER excused Favre's poor performances. I called Favre out for bad play week after week.

    I also called out the WRs, the Line, and other elements that didn't play well, but I NEVER stated or implied that those elements gave Favre a pass.

    ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT:

    The Teflon Tarvaris supporters ONLY blamed the line, WR's, Coaching, etc. "He was put in too early", "He was held out too long", "He only gets 1/3 of the play book", yada yada yada...

    They NEVER said, "Jackson played like poo today", it was always, "Jackson would have been good if the line had blocked/the receivers had caught/the coach had called/etc.

    And THAT is the difference.

    Favre wasn't given the free passes Jackson was. And Jackson got them for FIVE YEARS!!!!! So, PLEASE, don't try and sell me on the notion that there was some sort of double standard in play here. There most certainly was not.

    Caine
    AND ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT

    There were Jackson haters who always blamed Jackson for our losses. It was NEVER due to the OL, receivers dropping winning touchdowns, Longwell missing FG's, etc...

    There was always a double standard by some. Prime example, the tipped ball off of Harvin's outstretched hands. There was a similar one that happened to Berrian or Shiancoe.

    People berated the receivers for it, citing if it hits them in the hands they should have caught it. Receivers fault.....don't blame that on Favre.

    Yet when a receiver gets the ball between the waste & the knees and drops it, it's TJ's fault for a piss poor pass....don't blame the receiver for that one.

    What FREE passes was TJ given in 2006? In 2009? in 2010? You keep spewing he had a free ride for 5 years, yet he was given the starting role in only two of those years. In 2008 he was knee-jerked out after we lost to two very good teams.

    In 2009 Sage was brought in to the tune of a $9 mil contract to unseat Jackson as the number 1 or 2 QB & failed miserably. In 2010 & another $3 mil later into his contract, he failed once again to overtake Jackson on the depth chart.

    Favre was given plenty. He named was the unquestioned starter for 2009 & 2010 & despite going 0-2, he wasn't pulled like Jackson was. When we went 2-5, he still wasn't pulled, despite the fact he was playing like shit.

    Favre had a hell of a FREE ride in 2010!
    You just can't stop, can you. It's almost like you take it personally that many of us didn't like Jackson's play.

    At no time in ANY year have the majority blamed one single person for all the woes of the team. We have had issues at most positions - evidenced by the plethora of threads calling out a wide variety of players such as Bryant McKinnie, Madieu Williams, Tahi, Bernard Berrian and a host of others. In short, we - the viewing public - have not been shy about blasting ANYONE who failed to live up to expectations.

    And when those expectations are that you will be a competent player at your position, do you HONESTLY feel that Jackson was? Do you feel that Jackson lead our team? Do you feel that he contributed in a meaningful way to our offense? Do you feel that the team functioned better with him in there?

    I don't.

    And, since those are the criteria under which ALL players are judged (Except Defensive players - obviously they would contribute to the Defense, not the offense. I only point this out because certain individuals like to take elements out of context and play "AH-HA!!!" games ), how is this biased? How did Jackson NOT get a fair shake?

    He played in over 30 games, and started 20, yet he FAILED in almost EVERY OCCASION to make a significant difference. He had opportunity after opportunity...and all you and the rest of his supporters could say was that he needed more opportunities.

    Now he's getting it. In Seattle. On a team in the worst Division in football. He's once again been HANDED the starting job (due again to a lack of any credible competition) and will be able to vindicate all your faith in him...

    So relax. It all rides on this season. Despite his previous 5 years of failure, he gets a clean slate...

    ...but you're so preoccupied with the perceived injustices of the Favre-vs-Jackson debates that you can't see that.

    Trust me when I say that Favre was never handed an opportunity he hadn't earned 20 times over. His record says it all. Can Jackson say that?

    Not in this lifetime...

    Caine

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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103086
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
    Pat or Kevin Williams did not play in that game either.

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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1103100
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103086
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
    Pat or Kevin Williams did not play in that game either.
    Damn, the Hammer must have fed me to much beer. I remember why Phat Pat wasn't in but why didn't Kev play?
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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

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    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1103100
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103086
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
    Pat or Kevin Williams did not play in that game either.
    Damn, the Hammer must have fed me to much beer. I remember why Phat Pat wasn't in but why didn't Kev play?
    he did play. He started the game and had 3 tackles.

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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103111
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103108
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1103100
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103086
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
    Pat or Kevin Williams did not play in that game either.
    Damn, the Hammer must have fed me to much beer. I remember why Phat Pat wasn't in but why didn't Kev play?
    he did play. He started the game and had 3 tackles.
    Whew, thought my memory was worse off than I really thought it was.
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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103111
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103108
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1103100
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103086
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
    Pat or Kevin Williams did not play in that game either.
    Damn, the Hammer must have fed me to much beer. I remember why Phat Pat wasn't in but why didn't Kev play?
    he did play. He started the game and had 3 tackles.
    Whew, thought my memory was worse off than I really thought it was.
    don't worry, it probably is :silly:

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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103086
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
    They look at that game because it succinctly sums up Jackson's career in one shot - when he has to carry the team, he folds.

    Caine

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    Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1103177
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103086
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103079
    You Did What Now?!

    Too bad I missed all the excitement while goofing off in a small German village on vacation. After catching up on all the activity, I've been shocked by a few free-agency and personnel moves. Here are the biggest head-scratchers so far.

    Jackson anointed in Seattle
    Are you kiddin' me with Tarvaris Jackson? Are we talking about the same guy? What Pete Carroll sees in the former Viking is anyone's guess, because it sure can't be Fran Tarkenton. New and old teammate Sidney Rice thinks Jackson was never unleashed in Minnesota. Yes, that is correct. But it was only because Jackson couldn't make any of the throws. It wasn't anything major.

    All I could think about was 2008, when former Vikings coach Brad Childress completely reined in his offense in an effort to not lose to the Eagles in the wild-card round. The Vikings took zero chances on offense, with no vertical strikes. T-Jax went 15 of 35. For everyone who thought Childress was asleep at the wheel, maybe it's because the car he was driving was a Ford Escort.
    I still find it funny that everyone points to that game as the only reason why no one should even look at TJ.

    First Playoff game. OL that was playing like a bunch of turnstyles. Defense that couldn't even stop a screen play.

    And yet, given all that, the team was still in it until late in the 4th Qtr.

    LOL.
    They look at that game because it succinctly sums up Jackson's career in one shot - when he has to carry the team, he folds.

    Caine
    a point TJ supporters have yet to effectively defend.

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