Thread: T-Jack vs Whitehurst
08-03-2011, 03:59 PM #91
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1102899
If you stick him out there to start vs. an aaverage to above average team while you've clinched a playoff spot, he'll probably do just fine.
Put him out there in a situation where you have to win to clinch a playoff spot, and it's a hole other story.
2008 is a perfect example. Came in during the Lions game, played very well as a backup. Started the Cards game, had an excellent game. Falcons game, not quite so hot. Giants game, pretty bad. Eagles game? Well, need I go on?
His play went from great, to struggling and choking. He simply does not seem to have the mental makeup needed to be a good QB.
Some of the guys thrown out there right away and were successful was due to how they handled themself.
Guys liek "Matty Ice", who doesn't let pressure phase him. or "Cool Joe", had played strong through the season and playoffs. Roethlisberger is confident, isn't jumpy and does what is needed. TJ has yet to show that. He's got the physical skills, his downfall is what's upstairs.
08-03-2011, 04:09 PM #92
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "singersp" #1102876
When discussing Favre last year, the VAST MAJORITY of his SUPPORTERS stated, "Favre played like crap...AND the receivers sucked, AND the O-line sucked".
When discussing Teflon Tarvaris, his supporters left off the "Tarvaris played like crap" part and went right to the other elements as EXCUSES for his poor performances.
And, FYI, the excuse about "him being rusty due to lack of training/preparation" was never used...that was BLAME that was directed straight AT him.
And play calling excuses weren't made either, because we all knew Brett changed the play at the line many times...Jackson was the ONLY beneficiary of the "play calling" excuses.
Again, my memory isn't the one needing refreshing...
08-03-2011, 04:29 PM #93
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102900
No one is saying they think Tjack is a star or anywhere near a franchise player. But when you say he's only had 1.5 good games its just unfair.
Matty Ice. First year makes the playoffs. 3 turnovers, less than 5 yards a pass play, under 200 pass yards. Loss
2nd year misses playoffs.
3rd year. Makes playoffs. 3 turnovers again, Less than 200yards again. Loses again. HAS YET TO WIN A PLAYOFF GAME.
Joe flacco. First year makes playoffs. Wins 2 games loses the third. In those playoffs games he completes 44% of his passes and has 1 td and 3 turnovers. QB rating 50.8.
2nd year makes playoffs. Wins first game with 34 yards passing and a QB rating of 10. 2nd playoff game he loses to the colts and the offense scores 3 points. QB rating 0td 2int, QB rating 48.4.
3rd year makes playoffs again. Finally has a good playoff game in his 6th attempts, to beat the chiefs. Following game he has 125 yards passing and a QB rating of 61. and a fumble.
Career playoffs for Flacco. 7 starts 98/184 53.2% 1050yds(150/game)4td 7int, QB rating 61.6.
Big Ben is a stud that has ice in his Veins, almost a guaranteed hall of famer.
08-03-2011, 04:33 PM #94
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1102906
Yes. Flacco had a couple bad games int he playoffs. Some easy passes missed, but the point is he made it that far, not as someone being carried by the team, but as a legitimate starter, contributor and leader of the team. Same with Ryan. Was there help? Of course, but I'm not sure if you took all the best playmakers from the Ravens and Falcons, put them on a team and had TJ quarterback it, that they would get even as far as Ryan or Flacco did.
08-03-2011, 06:05 PM #95
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102907
Then it was other young QB's(flacco and ryan) don't let the pressure get to them and play well in the playoffs. false
Now it is that they don't limp into the playoffs. In 08 both made the playoffs as a wild card. In 09 Ravens went as a wildcard, Falcons didn't make it, in 2010 Ravens went as a wild card. Ryan got the first division title between the two, but lost badly at home to the packers in the first game(choke?).
08-03-2011, 06:07 PM #96
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1102912
08-03-2011, 06:17 PM #97
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102913
Tjacks biggest knock is he can't stay healthy, no Qb will be successful if they can't stay on the field.
08-03-2011, 06:19 PM #98
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1102915
For example, when I see him wind up to go deep, my first thought is "oh shit..."
When Favre wound up to go deep, I actually found myself getting excited to see a big play, as more often than not that's what happened.
Yes TJ hit the occasional deep play, just as he had the occasional good game, but at this point in his career, I expect alot more, even if you are from a DI AA school.
Re: T-Jack vs Whitehurst
He is gone.
I wish him well and hope he can find out there what he didn't find here.
08-04-2011, 12:10 AM #100
Re: T-Jack vs WhitehurstOriginally Posted by "Caine" #1102903
The term "rust" wasn't used to blame Favre, it was used more in the sense of giving him a free pass because of it. (See Vikings vs. Saints 2010 postgame thread)
Others in that thread talked about many things that were wrong & left Favre out of the equation.
You yourself never mentioned Favre playing bad in that thread either, but made sure you went off & bragged about all the records Favre owns when someone mentioned the INT's.
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