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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    Pros:

    Solid Respected and Feared TE, demands the attention of the D.
    He is bilingual.
    He has great hands.
    He is in the top 5 TEs in the NFL.

    Cons:

    Getting up their in age, golden years of his career.
    $$$$s. How much would he be used?


    This isn't a popular opinion, but I say we get rid of JK and JW.
    At this point, I would keep JW over JK.
    Unless we have plans to put JK at FB, he is not a great WR.
    Gonzales can block.

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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    Unlike many of the more famous West Coast Offenses I have seen in the past, we are NOT using our Tight Ends heavily in the receiver role.
    Wiggins is being under utilized...big time.

    Bringing in Gonzalez next season would be, in my opinion, a waste of cap space.
    It would be different if we were using Wiggins or Kleinsasser as a receiving threat and they were falling short, but we're not, and they're not.
    As for blocking, I have no complaints with Kleinsasser in that role...does anyone else?

    So, why bring in Gonzalez?
    What does he add that we don't already have?
    How does he vastly improve our team..because you know he's going to decrease our avaliable cap space.

    In short, we don't need him....now.
    Maybe if Wiggins and Kleinsasser both leave, I would consider it, but realistically, we have greater areas of concern.

    Like:

    Wide Receiver - this group, more than any other, needs a boost.
    When your #1 receiver is Marcus Robinson, it's time to start bringing in some more talent.
    He's a 10 year vet, and 31 years old...he's not getting any younger.
    Taylor has the makings of a good #2/#3, he's on pace to match last seasons total of 50 catches, but he's not frightening any Defenses.
    Williamson...well, if he ever learns to catch the ball consistantly, he'll be fine...but he hasn't.
    Not yet.
    Bethel Johnson has never caught more than 16 passes in a season.
    Jason Carter has yet to record his first NFL catch.
    Same with Maurice Mann.
    And Billy McMullen once had 18 catches in a season...wow.


    Nope, we NEED help at Wide Receiver.
    That should be our #1/#2 priority.


    Quarterback - Brad doesn't lose games, that's true, but Schaub is available next year.
    More mobility, younger arm, 'nuff said.
    (Sorry Tarvaris fans, I doubt he'll be ready next season).
    Brad says he wants to keep playing...and I admire that.
    But, lets face it, the likelyhood of him being the starter next season is low....extremely low....unless we wind up winning the Superbowl this year.

    Offensive Line - The right side is hurting...even when it's healthy.
    I can see us taking looooong looks at RG/RT players in the off season.

    Linebacker - While our current group is playing well, it wouldn't shock me if we made a move to grab a stub LB should one be available in FA or the draft.
    We've never seen Greenway, so we have no idea what we've got there.


    Defensive Line:
    Pat Williams is 34 years old.
    How much longer will he play?
    As much as I love him this season (And last season), we have to realistically consider the idea that he may not last too much longer.
    Kevin Williams' contract is comming up...what will he be asking?
    Erasmus has been hurt, so we really don't know how he's comming along.
    Bringing in a few bodies here would be wise.

    And, there are other areas we could use a boost in.

    Tight End isn't really one of the higher priority ones.Kleinie and Wiggins both ahve 7 years in...they've got a few left before they're washed up.
    So, as much as I like Tony Gonzalez, I think we'll likely pass.

    Caine

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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    I agree with Caine.

    First of all tight end is not our biggest need whatsoever. Second of all there are going to be teams swarming all over the idea of having Gonzalez as part of their offense. He's going to be the first priority of many teams in free agency but we probably won't be one of those teams especially considering that we could spend the money elsewhere like Caine said.

    For some reason I see Drew Bennett ending up in Purple next season... we'll have to see.

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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    "Caine" wrote:

    Quarterback - Brad doesn't lose games, that's true, but Schaub is available next year.
    More mobility, younger arm, 'nuff said.
    (Sorry Tarvaris fans, I doubt he'll be ready next season).
    Brad says he wants to keep playing...and I admire that.
    But, lets face it, the likelyhood of him being the starter next season is low....extremely low....unless we wind up winning the Superbowl this year.


    Caine
    That's the only part of your post that bothers me, Caine.
    I don't see us investing the money in a contract and the length of the contract that Schaub would want when T.J. is only a year or two away from being prepared to take the starting role himself.
    Schaub is too good of a player to want to be backing up someone any longer and with what it was apparent T.J. could do, I'd hate to "Schaub" him and leave him on the bench when he is a very good player.
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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    I agree with the naysayers...too much money for what is an underutilized position in our current offense!

    Besides, DCPologirl will kick Zygi's A$$ if he even THINKS about getting rid of Wiggy!
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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    WOW!!!!! He is good and TE's at this stage in their career can still play.
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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    "Caine" wrote:

    Quarterback - Brad doesn't lose games, that's true, but Schaub is available next year.
    More mobility, younger arm, 'nuff said.
    (Sorry Tarvaris fans, I doubt he'll be ready next season).
    Brad says he wants to keep playing...and I admire that.
    But, lets face it, the likelyhood of him being the starter next season is low....extremely low....unless we wind up winning the Superbowl this year.


    Caine
    That's the only part of your post that bothers me, Caine.
    I don't see us investing the money in a contract and the length of the contract that Schaub would want when T.J. is only a year or two away from being prepared to take the starting role himself.
    Schaub is too good of a player to want to be backing up someone any longer and with what it was apparent T.J. could do, I'd hate to "Schaub" him and leave him on the bench when he is a very good player.
    Keep in mind that in the era of free agency, teams no longer have the luxury of grooming a QB and having an intact team for him to take over.
    It used to be that way.
    Besides, how long did Schaub ride the pine?
    How long did Steve Young hold the clipboard?


    We have Hutch for 5 years.
    McKinney's contract is up THIS year.
    Birk...how much longer will he be in top form (He's 30)?
    There's your O-Line.
    We need WR's, so I don't worry much about their status.
    But, Chester's time is NOW.
    He's got 2-3 years of peak playing before time takes it's toll - if injury doesn't do it first.
    What about Richardson?
    He's 35 in December.

    On Defense, now that we've built it, how long can we hold together this formidable machine?
    How long until some desperate team thinks that Tomlin would make an excellent Head Coach?

    We may never see the result of the Tarvaris Jackson Project...that's a fact.
    If we go after Schaub in FA (And we wouldn't be the only ones doing so), then Tarvaris will ride out his contract as a back-up (Like Matt did), and sign somewhere else to start for big money.

    The only "IF" in that equation is Tarvaris' progress.
    I love what I saw of him in preseason....I truly did.
    But, it was preseason.
    It was all vanilla ice cream with candy sprinkles.
    Can he do it in the REAL NFL?
    We don't know.
    That'll be for Childress and Bevell to decide.


    Plus, the question is complicated by the "Can Johnson do it while we wait for Jackson to do it while we still have a team to do it with".
    That's a pretty tricky question to answer.

    Now, we have 10 games left.
    Brad has started taking shots down the field, and that's a plus.
    If he can keep up the type of play we saw versus Seattle, then MAYBE he's able to start next season as well.
    And MAYBE Jackson's ready to go next season.
    But Schaub IS ready to go.
    So, if the first two questions are answered with "No" or "I don't know", look for us to make serious overtures towards gaining Matt Schaub's services.

    It could be worse...we could be paying a first rounder to ride the bench


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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    "Caine" wrote:
    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    "Caine" wrote:

    Quarterback - Brad doesn't lose games, that's true, but Schaub is available next year.
    More mobility, younger arm, 'nuff said.
    (Sorry Tarvaris fans, I doubt he'll be ready next season).
    Brad says he wants to keep playing...and I admire that.
    But, lets face it, the likelyhood of him being the starter next season is low....extremely low....unless we wind up winning the Superbowl this year.


    Caine
    That's the only part of your post that bothers me, Caine.
    I don't see us investing the money in a contract and the length of the contract that Schaub would want when T.J. is only a year or two away from being prepared to take the starting role himself.
    Schaub is too good of a player to want to be backing up someone any longer and with what it was apparent T.J. could do, I'd hate to "Schaub" him and leave him on the bench when he is a very good player.
    Keep in mind that in the era of free agency, teams no longer have the luxury of grooming a QB and having an intact team for him to take over.
    It used to be that way.
    Besides, how long did Schaub ride the pine?
    How long did Steve Young hold the clipboard?


    We have Hutch for 5 years.
    McKinney's contract is up THIS year.
    Birk...how much longer will he be in top form (He's 30)?
    There's your O-Line.
    We need WR's, so I don't worry much about their status.
    But, Chester's time is NOW.
    He's got 2-3 years of peak playing before time takes it's toll - if injury doesn't do it first.
    What about Richardson?
    He's 35 in December.

    On Defense, now that we've built it, how long can we hold together this formidable machine?
    How long until some desperate team thinks that Tomlin would make an excellent Head Coach?

    We may never see the result of the Tarvaris Jackson Project...that's a fact.
    If we go after Schaub in FA (And we wouldn't be the only ones doing so), then Tarvaris will ride out his contract as a back-up (Like Matt did), and sign somewhere else to start for big money.

    The only "IF" in that equation is Tarvaris' progress.
    I love what I saw of him in preseason....I truly did.
    But, it was preseason.
    It was all vanilla ice cream with candy sprinkles.
    Can he do it in the REAL NFL?
    We don't know.
    That'll be for Childress and Bevell to decide.


    Plus, the question is complicated by the "Can Johnson do it while we wait for Jackson to do it while we still have a team to do it with".
    That's a pretty tricky question to answer.

    Now, we have 10 games left.
    Brad has started taking shots down the field, and that's a plus.
    If he can keep up the type of play we saw versus Seattle, then MAYBE he's able to start next season as well.
    And MAYBE Jackson's ready to go next season.
    But Schaub IS ready to go.
    So, if the first two questions are answered with "No" or "I don't know", look for us to make serious overtures towards gaining Matt Schaub's services.

    It could be worse...we could be paying a first rounder to ride the bench


    Caine
    Didn't McKinney just sign a seven-year, $48 million contract?
    OOPS!
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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    I think it would be a great pick up.
    I like Wiggins and Sauce but a guy like Tony does so much to open an offense up...especially the WCO.
    Plus like Tony Richardson he is the ultimate team player and does alot of good things in the community.



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    Re: T. Gonzalez on the open market?

    "Caine" wrote:
    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    "Caine" wrote:

    Quarterback - Brad doesn't lose games, that's true, but Schaub is available next year.
    More mobility, younger arm, 'nuff said.
    (Sorry Tarvaris fans, I doubt he'll be ready next season).
    Brad says he wants to keep playing...and I admire that.
    But, lets face it, the likelyhood of him being the starter next season is low....extremely low....unless we wind up winning the Superbowl this year.


    Caine
    That's the only part of your post that bothers me, Caine.
    I don't see us investing the money in a contract and the length of the contract that Schaub would want when T.J. is only a year or two away from being prepared to take the starting role himself.
    Schaub is too good of a player to want to be backing up someone any longer and with what it was apparent T.J. could do, I'd hate to "Schaub" him and leave him on the bench when he is a very good player.
    Keep in mind that in the era of free agency, teams no longer have the luxury of grooming a QB and having an intact team for him to take over.
    It used to be that way.
    Besides, how long did Schaub ride the pine?
    How long did Steve Young hold the clipboard?


    We have Hutch for 5 years.
    McKinney's contract is up THIS year.
    Birk...how much longer will he be in top form (He's 30)?
    There's your O-Line.
    We need WR's, so I don't worry much about their status.
    But, Chester's time is NOW.
    He's got 2-3 years of peak playing before time takes it's toll - if injury doesn't do it first.
    What about Richardson?
    He's 35 in December.

    On Defense, now that we've built it, how long can we hold together this formidable machine?
    How long until some desperate team thinks that Tomlin would make an excellent Head Coach?

    We may never see the result of the Tarvaris Jackson Project...that's a fact.
    If we go after Schaub in FA (And we wouldn't be the only ones doing so), then Tarvaris will ride out his contract as a back-up (Like Matt did), and sign somewhere else to start for big money.

    The only "IF" in that equation is Tarvaris' progress.
    I love what I saw of him in preseason....I truly did.
    But, it was preseason.
    It was all vanilla ice cream with candy sprinkles.
    Can he do it in the REAL NFL?
    We don't know.
    That'll be for Childress and Bevell to decide.


    Plus, the question is complicated by the "Can Johnson do it while we wait for Jackson to do it while we still have a team to do it with".
    That's a pretty tricky question to answer.

    Now, we have 10 games left.
    Brad has started taking shots down the field, and that's a plus.
    If he can keep up the type of play we saw versus Seattle, then MAYBE he's able to start next season as well.
    And MAYBE Jackson's ready to go next season.
    But Schaub IS ready to go.
    So, if the first two questions are answered with "No" or "I don't know", look for us to make serious overtures towards gaining Matt Schaub's services.

    It could be worse...we could be paying a first rounder to ride the bench


    Caine
    Nice points, Caine.
    You may be right... it would be hard to keep the team we have now, together until T.J. MIGHT be prepared to play.
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