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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    "dcboardr41" wrote:
    i cant believe he put a guy who admits to taking plays off as the number 2 wr of all time over

    chris carter
    tim brown
    steve largent
    marvin harrison

    moss is a top 6/7 WR, when his career is over maybe he will be close to carter and brown, but no where neer it now
    What does personal attitude have to do with it?


    And apparently Jerry Rice and company weren't better receivers than their contemporaries until they passed them on some stupid stat sheet?
    In his career I have seen Randy Moss be the best jump ball receiver, one of the best catching receivers behind a couple guys like Carter, and the most dangerous deep threat the game of football has ever seen, the man is the "super freak" for a reason.
    Barring a career ending injury Randy Moss is going to pretty much be #2 in a lot of receiver categories fulfilling this big stat emphasis, but more than that he's going to show why he is the #2 receiver of all time.
    Chris Carter was good, but he didn't put the fear into a player like saying Jerry Rice and of course Randy Moss.

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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    Come on Moss has to be 2nd, but certainly not ahead of Rice because of one thing...Those 3 Rings on his finger. I don't think it can necessarly be a determining factor except for the H.O.F, but 7 TD's in 3 Super bowl wins and MVP of it for his first ring. I love Moss and loved him since the Vikes drafted him, but he isn't ahead of Rice yet and I think one day be might, but certainly not yet...

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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    I think that article did a big disservice to WR's like Swann, Stallworth, Rashad,Monk, Drew Pearson, Jefferson, Charlie Joiner etc.

    Irwin couldn't handle the jock of half of those guys and Harrison would have been average at best back when things were much more physical.

    Agreed...these guys you mention, plus Biletnikoff (one of the greatest possession receivers I ever saw). It just points out how difficult it is to compare the players (or teams) from different eras...the game has changed so much. To me it comes down to who would you like to have on your team. If I had Rice, Moss, Carter and and a decent QB to hit them, I'd be very happy.
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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    i agree with the moss/rice placement, i thought carter shoulda been higher...but thats probably biased. im not too familiar with some of the older players but i do think carter should be a head of irvin. even though all he ever did was catch touchdowns.

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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    Moss cannot be in the convo until he is retired in my opinion.
    Just like with Favre. all know he is one of the best, but you cannot fairly talk about him as one of the bets until he leaves the game
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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    Moss cannot be in the convo until he is retired in my opinion.
    Just like with Favre. all know he is one of the best, but you cannot fairly talk about him as one of the bets until he leaves the game
    I would agree, but they had Owens and Harrison on there, so there is no way they could leave off Moss.

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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    Irvin ahead of Cris Carter is an absolute disgrace.... and I love his argument about Moss vs Harrison & Owens, because its very true.
    Up until now when Moss has been with the Patriots, the majority of his career (post Reed & Carter) has been with a subpar receiving corps lining up across from him.
    Agreed. No one ever considers the fact that Carter never had a HOF QB Throwing him the ball. He had the likes of Johnson, McMann, Salsberry, and a Whole lot of other nobody's that I've blocked from memory, yet still put up HOF numbers. That alone puts him in the top 3 IMO. Moss never did either, until this year, and then he swiftly put up 23 TDs; not to shabby.

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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    MAN THAT MAKES ME SO MAD...why is Cris Carter so undervalued? He has the stats and had the best hands in NFL history hands down~! They need to make a Carter highlight tape...people are flippin morons...thats all I know. Moss is no Cris Carter...Irvin is no Cris Carter...Taylor is no Cris Carter...Rice #1, Carter #2...theres a reason Carter's #2 in all those WR categories...

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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

    Geez, Rice's career numbers are almost Madden-like.
    It's scary how far ahead of everyone else he is.

    Speaking of Madden, I have a receiver who's approaching Rice's numbers on my franchise.
    The scary part is, he's a guy that I DRAFTED.
    I've played 10+ seasons with him as my flanker.
    I need to spend less time playing Madden, I guess.


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    Re: Start with Rice No. 1, Moss No. 2 in best WR debate

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    Irvin ahead of Cris Carter is an absolute disgrace.... and I love his argument about Moss vs Harrison & Owens, because its very true.
    Up until now when Moss has been with the Patriots, the majority of his career (post Reed & Carter) has been with a subpar receiving corps lining up across from him.
    Agreed. No one ever considers the fact that Carter never had a HOF QB Throwing him the ball. He had the likes of Johnson, McMann, Salsberry, and a Whole lot of other nobody's that I've blocked from memory, yet still put up HOF numbers. That alone puts him in the top 3 IMO. Moss never did either, until this year, and then he swiftly put up 23 TDs; not to shabby.
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