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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    I will rejoice the day once the NFL has been purged with "Billy the Cheats" departure.. never liked the guy and the past two or three seasons of revelations have concreted the notion that I have no reason to respect a dam thing the guy has done in the NFL as a head coach.. maybe as a DC with the Giants, maybe, but I personally even though I try not to dislike a soul, it doesn't seem to apply to Billy Boy.

    Personally everyone of the SB trophies he has won should have a * next to them.. we have no idea to what level e cheated within the game.. I hope they tank it this year..
    Should the NFL go back and investigate the Packer teams of the 60s to see if they ever cheated?


    =Z=
    Sure, if they were using methods that created an unfair advantage during games, yes I would suppose such a study.

    Individual players cheating vs a head of a team cheating is the heart of the question for me... I have a hell of a time believing that the Pats weren't using those video feeds for in game adjustments.. heck the NFL even adopted a new rule this year to ensure that DC are protected from such methods of cheating.. not more stealing the signals on the defensive side of the game.

    Maybe Billy will have the Audio Video guys tap into the live feeds from the opposing sidelines now.. then claim he didn't know that he couldn't do such a thing.
    ;D
    Really?

    How on earth would they be able to do that.
    The Jets, who confiscated the camera, verified that it had no video transmission ability.
    It simply had tapes.
    So that means that after every play, they would have to switch out tapes, run them to where ever somebody was who could study and interpret the tapes, and then radio down to the sideline to let them know what was coming.
    All before the QB radio is cut off when the play clock hits 15 seconds.

    Don't you think that if they wanted to use in-game signals, they would simply have a guy sitting there with binocs and a radio?
    That, BTW, is legal.

    The games were obviously kept and analyzed after the game.
    The tapes that Matt Walsh turned over were released to the public, and all of them were heavily edited.
    That could not have been done in game.
    The analysis after the fact probably created an advantage if they played that team again.
    Or more appropriately if they played that defensive coordinator again.
    But to think that there was some kind of in game advantage is a huge reach.
    You both convolute the simpler fact:
    Belichick is a CONFIRMED CHEATER!
    NO excuses or finger pointing can ever change that.
    Therefore, he deserves to be permanently labeled as such.
    And if you want to label Merriman, Edwards, Harrison, etc. as steriod and HGH cheaters, be my guest.
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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    I will rejoice the day once the NFL has been purged with "Billy the Cheats" departure.. never liked the guy and the past two or three seasons of revelations have concreted the notion that I have no reason to respect a dam thing the guy has done in the NFL as a head coach.. maybe as a DC with the Giants, maybe, but I personally even though I try not to dislike a soul, it doesn't seem to apply to Billy Boy.

    Personally everyone of the SB trophies he has won should have a * next to them.. we have no idea to what level e cheated within the game.. I hope they tank it this year..
    Should the NFL go back and investigate the Packer teams of the 60s to see if they ever cheated?


    =Z=
    Sure, if they were using methods that created an unfair advantage during games, yes I would suppose such a study.

    Individual players cheating vs a head of a team cheating is the heart of the question for me... I have a hell of a time believing that the Pats weren't using those video feeds for in game adjustments.. heck the NFL even adopted a new rule this year to ensure that DC are protected from such methods of cheating.. not more stealing the signals on the defensive side of the game.

    Maybe Billy will have the Audio Video guys tap into the live feeds from the opposing sidelines now.. then claim he didn't know that he couldn't do such a thing.
    ;D
    Really?

    How on earth would they be able to do that.
    The Jets, who confiscated the camera, verified that it had no video transmission ability.
    It simply had tapes.
    So that means that after every play, they would have to switch out tapes, run them to where ever somebody was who could study and interpret the tapes, and then radio down to the sideline to let them know what was coming.
    All before the QB radio is cut off when the play clock hits 15 seconds.

    Don't you think that if they wanted to use in-game signals, they would simply have a guy sitting there with binocs and a radio?
    That, BTW, is legal.

    The games were obviously kept and analyzed after the game.
    The tapes that Matt Walsh turned over were released to the public, and all of them were heavily edited.
    That could not have been done in game.
    The analysis after the fact probably created an advantage if they played that team again.
    Or more appropriately if they played that defensive coordinator again.
    But to think that there was some kind of in game advantage is a huge reach.
    You both convolute the simpler fact:
    Belichick is a CONFIRMED CHEATER!
    NO excuses or finger pointing can ever change that.
    Therefore, he deserves to be permanently labeled as such.
    And if you want to label Merriman, Edwards, Harrison, etc. as steriod and HGH cheaters, be my guest.
    Wouldn't Ray Edwards be on that list too?
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    I will rejoice the day once the NFL has been purged with "Billy the Cheats" departure.. never liked the guy and the past two or three seasons of revelations have concreted the notion that I have no reason to respect a dam thing the guy has done in the NFL as a head coach.. maybe as a DC with the Giants, maybe, but I personally even though I try not to dislike a soul, it doesn't seem to apply to Billy Boy.

    Personally everyone of the SB trophies he has won should have a * next to them.. we have no idea to what level e cheated within the game.. I hope they tank it this year..
    Should the NFL go back and investigate the Packer teams of the 60s to see if they ever cheated?


    =Z=
    Sure, if they were using methods that created an unfair advantage during games, yes I would suppose such a study.

    Individual players cheating vs a head of a team cheating is the heart of the question for me... I have a hell of a time believing that the Pats weren't using those video feeds for in game adjustments.. heck the NFL even adopted a new rule this year to ensure that DC are protected from such methods of cheating.. not more stealing the signals on the defensive side of the game.

    Maybe Billy will have the Audio Video guys tap into the live feeds from the opposing sidelines now.. then claim he didn't know that he couldn't do such a thing.
    ;D
    Really?

    How on earth would they be able to do that.
    The Jets, who confiscated the camera, verified that it had no video transmission ability.
    It simply had tapes.
    So that means that after every play, they would have to switch out tapes, run them to where ever somebody was who could study and interpret the tapes, and then radio down to the sideline to let them know what was coming.
    All before the QB radio is cut off when the play clock hits 15 seconds.

    Don't you think that if they wanted to use in-game signals, they would simply have a guy sitting there with binocs and a radio?
    That, BTW, is legal.

    The games were obviously kept and analyzed after the game.
    The tapes that Matt Walsh turned over were released to the public, and all of them were heavily edited.
    That could not have been done in game.
    The analysis after the fact probably created an advantage if they played that team again.
    Or more appropriately if they played that defensive coordinator again.
    But to think that there was some kind of in game advantage is a huge reach.

    Haha... Patriots were proven cheating since their first Super Bowl win. End of story.
    Actually, there was no footage of the Rams in the tapes that Walsh turned over.
    I think it is a reasonable assumption that they taped the Rams as well, but that is another assumption, not proof of anything.
    How could that possibly be the end of the story?
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    I will rejoice the day once the NFL has been purged with "Billy the Cheats" departure.. never liked the guy and the past two or three seasons of revelations have concreted the notion that I have no reason to respect a dam thing the guy has done in the NFL as a head coach.. maybe as a DC with the Giants, maybe, but I personally even though I try not to dislike a soul, it doesn't seem to apply to Billy Boy.

    Personally everyone of the SB trophies he has won should have a * next to them.. we have no idea to what level e cheated within the game.. I hope they tank it this year..
    Should the NFL go back and investigate the Packer teams of the 60s to see if they ever cheated?


    =Z=
    Sure, if they were using methods that created an unfair advantage during games, yes I would suppose such a study.

    Individual players cheating vs a head of a team cheating is the heart of the question for me... I have a hell of a time believing that the Pats weren't using those video feeds for in game adjustments.. heck the NFL even adopted a new rule this year to ensure that DC are protected from such methods of cheating.. not more stealing the signals on the defensive side of the game.

    Maybe Billy will have the Audio Video guys tap into the live feeds from the opposing sidelines now.. then claim he didn't know that he couldn't do such a thing.
    ;D
    Really?

    How on earth would they be able to do that.
    The Jets, who confiscated the camera, verified that it had no video transmission ability.
    It simply had tapes.
    So that means that after every play, they would have to switch out tapes, run them to where ever somebody was who could study and interpret the tapes, and then radio down to the sideline to let them know what was coming.
    All before the QB radio is cut off when the play clock hits 15 seconds.

    Don't you think that if they wanted to use in-game signals, they would simply have a guy sitting there with binocs and a radio?
    That, BTW, is legal.

    The games were obviously kept and analyzed after the game.
    The tapes that Matt Walsh turned over were released to the public, and all of them were heavily edited.
    That could not have been done in game.
    The analysis after the fact probably created an advantage if they played that team again.
    Or more appropriately if they played that defensive coordinator again.
    But to think that there was some kind of in game advantage is a huge reach.
    You both convolute the simpler fact:
    Belichick is a CONFIRMED CHEATER!
    NO excuses or finger pointing can ever change that.
    Therefore, he deserves to be permanently labeled as such.
    And if you want to label Merriman, Edwards, Harrison, etc. as steriod and HGH cheaters, be my guest.
    I don't use labels.
    You can if you like, just be sure to apply them uniformly.

    Besides, that is not the issue at hand.
    Nobody is debating whether or not he cheated.
    We are talking about whether or not his actions gave the Pats an in game advantage.

    You are a pretty smart guy, I find it hard to believe that you don't have anything better to contribute other than "CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER".
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    Actually, there was no footage of the Rams in the tapes that Walsh turned over.
    I think it is a reasonable assumption that they taped the Rams as well, but that is another assumption, not proof of anything.
    How could that possibly be the end of the story?
    There were video tapes from that season... Goodell said he saw, "Nothing new" ie- same cheating that was going on this year... And there were tapes from the Rams walk-through, Goodell simply didn't mention them so pawns would keep believe the Super Bowl wins weren't tainted.

    Listen, give it up. They are cheaters and will be laughed at for years. Why defend them?
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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    [quote author=pack93z link=topic=47411.msg826814#msg826814 date=1220029663]
    I will rejoice the day once the NFL has been purged with "Billy the Cheats" departure.. never liked the guy and the past two or three seasons of revelations have concreted the notion that I have no reason to respect a dam thing the guy has done in the NFL as a head coach.. maybe as a DC with the Giants, maybe, but I personally even though I try not to dislike a soul, it doesn't seem to apply to Billy Boy.

    Personally everyone of the SB trophies he has won should have a * next to them.. we have no idea to what level e cheated within the game.. I hope they tank it this year..
    Should the NFL go back and investigate the Packer teams of the 60s to see if they ever cheated?


    =Z=
    Sure, if they were using methods that created an unfair advantage during games, yes I would suppose such a study.

    Individual players cheating vs a head of a team cheating is the heart of the question for me... I have a hell of a time believing that the Pats weren't using those video feeds for in game adjustments.. heck the NFL even adopted a new rule this year to ensure that DC are protected from such methods of cheating.. not more stealing the signals on the defensive side of the game.

    Maybe Billy will have the Audio Video guys tap into the live feeds from the opposing sidelines now.. then claim he didn't know that he couldn't do such a thing.
    ;D
    Really?

    How on earth would they be able to do that.
    The Jets, who confiscated the camera, verified that it had no video transmission ability.
    It simply had tapes.
    So that means that after every play, they would have to switch out tapes, run them to where ever somebody was who could study and interpret the tapes, and then radio down to the sideline to let them know what was coming.
    All before the QB radio is cut off when the play clock hits 15 seconds.

    Don't you think that if they wanted to use in-game signals, they would simply have a guy sitting there with binocs and a radio?
    That, BTW, is legal.

    The games were obviously kept and analyzed after the game.
    The tapes that Matt Walsh turned over were released to the public, and all of them were heavily edited.
    That could not have been done in game.
    The analysis after the fact probably created an advantage if they played that team again.
    Or more appropriately if they played that defensive coordinator again.
    But to think that there was some kind of in game advantage is a huge reach.
    You both convolute the simpler fact:
    Belichick is a CONFIRMED CHEATER!
    NO excuses or finger pointing can ever change that.
    Therefore, he deserves to be permanently labeled as such.
    And if you want to label Merriman, Edwards, Harrison, etc. as steriod and HGH cheaters, be my guest.
    I don't use labels.
    You can if you like, just be sure to apply them uniformly.

    Besides, that is not the issue at hand.
    Nobody is debating whether or not he cheated.
    We are talking about whether or not his actions gave the Pats an in game advantage.

    You are a pretty smart guy, I find it hard to believe that you don't have anything better to contribute other than "CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER".
    [/quote]

    The title of the article is "Spygate stench sticks to Belichick"...nowhere in there do I see a statement of whether or not it gave him an advantage or not.
    It is you who are the one who is off-track here.
    And if "CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER" applies, then he only has himself to blame.
    BUT if the breaking of the rules DIDN'T give him any sort of advantage, then maybe we should change the "chant" to "DUMBARSE, DUMBARSE, DUMBARSE" instead of continuing to label him as a "genius".
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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "C" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    Actually, there was no footage of the Rams in the tapes that Walsh turned over.
    I think it is a reasonable assumption that they taped the Rams as well, but that is another assumption, not proof of anything.
    How could that possibly be the end of the story?
    There were video tapes from that season... Goodell said he saw, "Nothing new" ie- same cheating that was going on this year... And there were tapes from the Rams walk-through, Goodell simply didn't mention them so pawns would keep believe the Super Bowl wins weren't tainted.

    Listen, give it up. They are cheaters and will be laughed at for years. Why defend them?
    WHY DEFEND THEM?
    That is it in a nutshell.
    You would be better served defending Ray Edwards, after all he is a Viking.
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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    BTW.. this is all old news.. it is like the bloody wars Packer fans wage yet over Favre, even though that has past and all the words in the world aren't changing it..

    NP.. irresponsible in place of ignorant.. either way seems to be turning a blind eye reasonable facts.

    The radio traffic that I referred to was none other than the JSonline article following the Patriot game in 05', there were a number of different reports surrounding that game of radio traffic stemming from the Patriot sidelines on unauthorized channels by the NFL. About a year ago I posted what I could find in reference to it yet, when Spygate first gained steam.. it was brushed over by the national media but never dug into.. which I find to be irresponsible in nature on their part.

    Basically I trust nothing that comes out of BB mouth.. for the life of me, I can't understand why the NFL chose to utilize his declaration that he fessed up to.

    But again.. old news that is well over the damn.. but Billy is still a cheat in my book.

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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "pack93z" wrote:
    BTW.. this is all old news.. it is like the bloody wars Packer fans wage yet over Favre, even though that has past and all the words in the world aren't changing it..

    NP.. irresponsible in place of ignorant.. either way seems to be turning a blind eye reasonable facts.

    The radio traffic that I referred to was none other than the JSonline article following the Patriot game in 05', there were a number of different reports surrounding that game of radio traffic stemming from the Patriot sidelines on unauthorized channels by the NFL. About a year ago I posted what I could find in reference to it yet, when Spygate first gained steam.. it was brushed over by the national media but never dug into.. which I find to be irresponsible in nature on their part.

    Basically I trust nothing that comes out of BB mouth.. for the life of me, I can't understand why the NFL chose to utilize his declaration that he fessed up to.

    But again.. old news that is well over the gol 'darnit.. but Billy is still a cheat in my book.
    And even Patriots fans like the sportswriter Kevin Hench have to admit to it.
    And since it is his article posted today that brought it up again, this "old news" obviously still has some relevance.
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    Re: Spygate stench sticks to Belichick

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    BTW.. this is all old news.. it is like the bloody wars Packer fans wage yet over Favre, even though that has past and all the words in the world aren't changing it..

    NP.. irresponsible in place of ignorant.. either way seems to be turning a blind eye reasonable facts.

    The radio traffic that I referred to was none other than the JSonline article following the Patriot game in 05', there were a number of different reports surrounding that game of radio traffic stemming from the Patriot sidelines on unauthorized channels by the NFL. About a year ago I posted what I could find in reference to it yet, when Spygate first gained steam.. it was brushed over by the national media but never dug into.. which I find to be irresponsible in nature on their part.

    Basically I trust nothing that comes out of BB mouth.. for the life of me, I can't understand why the NFL chose to utilize his declaration that he fessed up to.

    But again.. old news that is well over the gol 'darnit.. but Billy is still a cheat in my book.
    And even Patriots fans like the sportswriter Kevin Hench have to admit to it.
    And since it is his article posted today that brought it up again, this "old news" obviously still has some relevance.

    Zeus and Nodak... two people that demand facts from everyone for their opinions.... but sure find it easy to ignore the facts in this case.
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