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11-06-2011, 10:37 PM #21Coordinator
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It won't happen. Unless, of course, we somehow end up with him.
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11-07-2011, 01:02 AM #22
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The Colts never have, and never will be a good all-around defense. They've excelled against the pass, and rushing the passer because they have two fantastic pass rushing DE's.
Problem is, those two DE's are possibly some of the worst run-supporting DE's in the league. Too often the Colts have rotated Freeney and Mathis out on first or second down, favouring a bigger, stronger lineup.
With manning, they score points, putting the other team in a position where they need to pass more often. That allows freeney and Mathis to pin their ears back and try to take out the QB. Take away that threat, and what do the Colts have on D? Nothing. What have they ever had other than their pass rush? Nothing.
They are not a physical defense, they're a speed team designed to rush the QB and force bad decisions. When you are put in a situation where offenses don't have to pass to win against the Colts, it really limits what they can do.
So Yes, Manning absolutely has an effect on how the D performs
It almost seems as if they aren't giving fourth a lot of effort in an attempt to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. There are already trade rumors regarding trading Peyton if they do get Luck.
When was the last time you played actual competitive football? Now I'm no NFL player, that's for sure, but I can assure you, players will never want to slack on a game just to get a better draft spot or playoff seed. If they were 1-14, lose and they get Luck, win and they don't, I bet a good number of players would prefer to win, because they have pride.
I haven't watched Indy's games, but giving up 62 points? C'mon!
NO drives started at
IND 41(Fum) - TD
NO 19 - TD
NO 48(Fum) - TD
NO 31 - TD
NO 42 - FG
NO 18 - FG
NO 25 - TD
NO 40 - TD
NO 42 - TD
Interception return TD
NO 11 - Punt
NO had 10 drives, half of them started within NO's 40 yard line
average starting position was 33.5 yard line.
That is DIRECTLY because the Colts could not move the ball on offense, and either punted leaving good field position, or turned the ball over.
Besides, it's not like the Colts never gave up 40+ points before with manning at the helm. THey've had complete defensive meltdowns with him. Difference is Manning at least scored some points, whereas with painter, they punted/turned over, giving the other teams more opportunities to score.
A Manning TD vs a Painter fumble/punt/NO score is a 14 point swing. There were more than a couple of those in the Saints/Colts game.
Also how does an OL that's blocked so well for Peyton in previous years all of a sudden start sucking & allow that many defenders past it to block a punt in the endzone? Has their OL personnel changed too?
But comeon, you should know better.
Manning is one of the best QB's in the league, even all-time. He makes any line look better. It's not because the Colts have a superstar line that he is one of the least sacked QB's in the league over the past 10 years. It's because he's great at getting rid of the ball and avoiding the hits. He reads defense, he reads blitz, he knows where to go with it. And despite not having much speed, he actually has very good pocket mobility.
Throw in an inexperienced, immobile guy like Painter or Collins, and you get the opposite.
Last edited by i_bleed_purple; 11-07-2011 at 01:06 AM.
11-07-2011, 08:29 AM #24
This season does, however show that Peyton is probably the single most valuable player to his teams fortunes in the NFL.
Hell, we've even won two games so far after losing TJ.
Last edited by marshallvike; 11-07-2011 at 09:39 AM.Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.
11-07-2011, 04:22 PM #25
It is a tongue-in-cheek question that is kind of interesting to think about, but NOBODY has actually argued that he deserves it ... at least not in this thread or in the media anywhere that I can see.
There is an absolute ZERO percent chance he gets a vote. I don't understand what you are worked up about honestly.
Those that have mentioned it are making the strong case that the Colts are legitimately a 10+ win team EVER year with him and are now a NO win team without him. Skip Bayless has mentioned it multiple times ... not because he actually wants to give him the award, but because it is very obvious that he is in fact the Most Valuable Player in the NFL.
Again ... I would love to see anyone who actually thinks he SHOULD win the award, because I have yet to see anyone say that. (Except maybe silly Colts fans somewhere.)
11-08-2011, 06:38 AM #26
I also agree with you that Manning has great pocket presence & mobility, but disagree with your notion that it's "all Peyton" & his OL doesn't give him time.
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