Thread: Should Peyton get the MVP?

It won't happen. Unless, of course, we somehow end up with him.

Originally Posted by singersp

Peyton doesn't play defense.

His absence could clearly explain the reason the offense is sucking, but not the reason the defense is sucking.

I couldn't disagree more.

The Colts never have, and never will be a good all-around defense. They've excelled against the pass, and rushing the passer because they have two fantastic pass rushing DE's.

Problem is, those two DE's are possibly some of the worst run-supporting DE's in the league. Too often the Colts have rotated Freeney and Mathis out on first or second down, favouring a bigger, stronger lineup.

With manning, they score points, putting the other team in a position where they need to pass more often. That allows freeney and Mathis to pin their ears back and try to take out the QB. Take away that threat, and what do the Colts have on D? Nothing. What have they ever had other than their pass rush? Nothing.

They are not a physical defense, they're a speed team designed to rush the QB and force bad decisions. When you are put in a situation where offenses don't have to pass to win against the Colts, it really limits what they can do.

So Yes, Manning absolutely has an effect on how the D performs

It almost seems as if they aren't giving fourth a lot of effort in an attempt to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. There are already trade rumors regarding trading Peyton if they do get Luck.

There were trade rumors about Brady leaving NE too. Rumors mean exactly dick.

When was the last time you played actual competitive football? Now I'm no NFL player, that's for sure, but I can assure you, players will never want to slack on a game just to get a better draft spot or playoff seed. If they were 1-14, lose and they get Luck, win and they don't, I bet a good number of players would prefer to win, because they have pride.

I haven't watched Indy's games, but giving up 62 points? C'mon!

Did you see the drive chart?

NO drives started at
IND 41(Fum) - TD
NO 19 - TD
NO 48(Fum) - TD
NO 31 - TD
NO 42 - FG
NO 18 - FG
NO 25 - TD
NO 40 - TD
NO 42 - TD
Interception return TD
NO 11 - Punt

NO had 10 drives, half of them started within NO's 40 yard line

average starting position was 33.5 yard line.

That is DIRECTLY because the Colts could not move the ball on offense, and either punted leaving good field position, or turned the ball over.

Besides, it's not like the Colts never gave up 40+ points before with manning at the helm. THey've had complete defensive meltdowns with him. Difference is Manning at least scored some points, whereas with painter, they punted/turned over, giving the other teams more opportunities to score.

A Manning TD vs a Painter fumble/punt/NO score is a 14 point swing. There were more than a couple of those in the Saints/Colts game.

Also how does an OL that's blocked so well for Peyton in previous years all of a sudden start sucking & allow that many defenders past it to block a punt in the endzone? Has their OL personnel changed too?

Actually, yes they have.

But comeon, you should know better.

Manning is one of the best QB's in the league, even all-time. He makes any line look better. It's not because the Colts have a superstar line that he is one of the least sacked QB's in the league over the past 10 years. It's because he's great at getting rid of the ball and avoiding the hits. He reads defense, he reads blitz, he knows where to go with it. And despite not having much speed, he actually has very good pocket mobility.

Throw in an inexperienced, immobile guy like Painter or Collins, and you get the opposite.

Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple

I couldn't disagree more.

The Colts never have, and never will be a good all-around defense. They've excelled against the pass, and rushing the passer because they have two fantastic pass rushing DE's.

Problem is, those two DE's are possibly some of the worst run-supporting DE's in the league. Too often the Colts have rotated Freeney and Mathis out on first or second down, favouring a bigger, stronger lineup.

Actually they only suck because they don't have a war pig in the middle. Fix that and they are a great defense.

Originally Posted by 12purplepride28

OK PEOPLE THIS ISN'T A JOKE. THERE ARE MORONS OUT THERE THAT THINK HE TRULY DESERVES IT. Ok I'm not actually mad, but I just feel there is no basis for him to win the award. And are you serious Marshal? So we don't have to base it on recent play? Well then why the hell doesn't Chris Johnson win it? He played great a couple years ago and the Titan's aren't doing that great without him. What about Dan Marino for the Dolphins? They really suck this year. That must prove how valuable Marino was to them. If you can't base it on this years play then the award has lost all merit. As will happen if Manning gets it this year.

No, I am not serious 12-28. Just having some fun with it. If I had a real vote I would not give it to him.
This season does, however show that Peyton is probably the single most valuable player to his teams fortunes in the NFL.

Hell, we've even won two games so far after losing TJ.

Originally Posted by 12purplepride28

OK PEOPLE THIS ISN'T A JOKE. THERE ARE MORONS OUT THERE THAT THINK HE TRULY DESERVES IT. Ok I'm not actually mad, but I just feel there is no basis for him to win the award. And are you serious Marshal? So we don't have to base it on recent play? Well then why the hell doesn't Chris Johnson win it? He played great a couple years ago and the Titan's aren't doing that great without him. What about Dan Marino for the Dolphins? They really suck this year. That must prove how valuable Marino was to them. If you can't base it on this years play then the award has lost all merit. As will happen if Manning gets it this year.

Even the two links you posted were not someone saying he deserves it. I have seen nobody that is involved in the media and any way shape or form say they actually think he deserves it.

It is a tongue-in-cheek question that is kind of interesting to think about, but NOBODY has actually argued that he deserves it ... at least not in this thread or in the media anywhere that I can see.

There is an absolute ZERO percent chance he gets a vote. I don't understand what you are worked up about honestly.

Those that have mentioned it are making the strong case that the Colts are legitimately a 10+ win team EVER year with him and are now a NO win team without him. Skip Bayless has mentioned it multiple times ... not because he actually wants to give him the award, but because it is very obvious that he is in fact the Most Valuable Player in the NFL.

Again ... I would love to see anyone who actually thinks he SHOULD win the award, because I have yet to see anyone say that. (Except maybe silly Colts fans somewhere.)

Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple

I couldn't disagree more.

The Colts never have, and never will be a good all-around defense. They've excelled against the pass, and rushing the passer because they have two fantastic pass rushing DE's.

Problem is, those two DE's are possibly some of the worst run-supporting DE's in the league. Too often the Colts have rotated Freeney and Mathis out on first or second down, favouring a bigger, stronger lineup.

With manning, they score points, putting the other team in a position where they need to pass more often. That allows freeney and Mathis to pin their ears back and try to take out the QB. Take away that threat, and what do the Colts have on D? Nothing. What have they ever had other than their pass rush? Nothing.

They are not a physical defense, they're a speed team designed to rush the QB and force bad decisions. When you are put in a situation where offenses don't have to pass to win against the Colts, it really limits what they can do.

So Yes, Manning absolutely has an effect on how the D performs

There were trade rumors about Brady leaving NE too. Rumors mean exactly dick.

When was the last time you played actual competitive football? Now I'm no NFL player, that's for sure, but I can assure you, players will never want to slack on a game just to get a better draft spot or playoff seed. If they were 1-14, lose and they get Luck, win and they don't, I bet a good number of players would prefer to win, because they have pride.


Did you see the drive chart?

NO drives started at
IND 41(Fum) - TD
NO 19 - TD
NO 48(Fum) - TD
NO 31 - TD
NO 42 - FG
NO 18 - FG
NO 25 - TD
NO 40 - TD
NO 42 - TD
Interception return TD
NO 11 - Punt

NO had 10 drives, half of them started within NO's 40 yard line

average starting position was 33.5 yard line.

That is DIRECTLY because the Colts could not move the ball on offense, and either punted leaving good field position, or turned the ball over.

Besides, it's not like the Colts never gave up 40+ points before with manning at the helm. THey've had complete defensive meltdowns with him. Difference is Manning at least scored some points, whereas with painter, they punted/turned over, giving the other teams more opportunities to score.

A Manning TD vs a Painter fumble/punt/NO score is a 14 point swing. There were more than a couple of those in the Saints/Colts game.


Actually, yes they have.

But comeon, you should know better.

Manning is one of the best QB's in the league, even all-time. He makes any line look better. It's not because the Colts have a superstar line that he is one of the least sacked QB's in the league over the past 10 years. It's because he's great at getting rid of the ball and avoiding the hits. He reads defense, he reads blitz, he knows where to go with it. And despite not having much speed, he actually has very good pocket mobility.

Throw in an inexperienced, immobile guy like Painter or Collins, and you get the opposite.

I agree players will play hard, but it's coaches & coordinators who send in the plays as to what type of offense & defense is run. The plays sent in, primarily on offense, can dramatically affect the outcome of the game. It's one of the reasons Childress & Bevell are no longer here.

I also agree with you that Manning has great pocket presence & mobility, but disagree with your notion that it's "all Peyton" & his OL doesn't give him time.