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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

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    ALL-TIME RANKINGS OF EVERY QB WITH 1,500 CAREER ATTEMPTS>>>

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    1 Aaron Rodgers 98.41
    2 Philip Rivers 97.16
    3 Steve Young* 96.81
    4 Tony Romo 95.50
    5 Tom Brady 95.19
    6 Peyton Manning 94.89
    7 Kurt Warner 93.71
    8 Ben Roethlisberger 92.47
    9 Joe Montana* 92.26
    10 Drew Brees 91.75
    11 Matt Schaub 91.53
    12 Chad Pennington 90.14
    13 Daunte Culpepper 87.78
    14 Jeff Garcia 87.54
    15 Carson Palmer 86.91
    16 Dan Marino* 86.38
    17T Trent Green 86.03
    17T Brett Favre 86.03
    19 David Garrard 85.82
    20 Donovan McNabb 85.66
    Should we put Rodgers 18th because he hasn't played 20 years? I'll leave that up to you. B)

    As far as the argument that Rodgers has a better surrounding cast than Favre, that one is difficult to prove one way or another. I did notice that my team won a Super Bowl with virtually NO RUNNING GAME. Call me crazy, but I'd have to submit Rodgers may have possibly helped "carry" his team.

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    So? And should we consider Romo a top 4 all-time QB too? Hell, He's not even top 10 in the league now, nevermind top 4.

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

    Is this seriously an arguement? Who the hell cares. Favre has all of TWO seasons that I give two shits about, and Rodgers has none.

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

    Quote Originally Posted by "triedandtruevikesfan" #1100444
    Is this seriously an arguement? Who the hell cares. Favre has all of TWO seasons that I give two shits about, and Rodgers has none.
    No argument my friend, this is a discussion site. :lol: :silly:

    But when the nfl offseason is THIS boring, we find meaningless things to argue over.

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

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    Quote Originally Posted by "triedandtruevikesfan" #1100444
    Is this seriously an arguement? Who the hell cares. Favre has all of TWO seasons that I give two shits about, and Rodgers has none.
    No argument my friend, this is a discussion site. :lol: :silly:

    But when the nfl offseason is THIS boring, we find meaningless things to argue over.
    Ah yes, bad choice of words... I meant discussion of course.

    I still see this as... "which packer qb is better" Favre was ours for one great season and one crappy one, but now he's back to being a packer in my eyes.

    I hate packer talk :sick:

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1100445
    Quote Originally Posted by "triedandtruevikesfan" #1100444
    Is this seriously an arguement? Who the hell cares. Favre has all of TWO seasons that I give two shits about, and Rodgers has none.
    No argument my friend, this is a discussion site. :lol: :silly:

    But when the nfl offseason is THIS boring, we find meaningless things to argue over.
    Ah yes, bad choice of words... I meant discussion of course.

    I still see this as... "which packer qb is better" Favre was ours for one great season and one crappy one, but now he's back to being a packer in my eyes.

    I hate packer talk :sick:
    haha.

    I'm so hard done by for football anything, I found this moderately interesting hanging of a power cord at my desk


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    LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, ok, carry on with the "discussion"

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

    This argument is interesting to say the least ... but it is a very tough argument.

    First ... passing numbers in today's game are not even comparable to anything pre-1995 because the rules are made for passers today. Unitas, Namath, Griese, Starr, Dawson, Staubach all would have much better numbers if they played today. Hell, Montana, Marino, Fouts, Elway and probably even Favre would have better numbers as well.

    Second ... the "at this point in his career" argument is really tough as well. Lets be honest, the Packers that Rodgers got handed the reins to had been to the NFC Championship Game just the year before. They are loaded with offensive talent, in particular at WR and TE. I think Rodgers is VERY VERY good. No doubt about it, but he was giving a Mercedes to drive and has managed to not wreck it.

    Favre was not given the same kind of team. I said it BEFORE he was a Vikings QB and I will say it now. Favre is the best thing that EVER happened to the Packers. Better than Lombardi, Starr, Rodgers and Desmond Howard.

    While that team was one of the greats "back in the day" they had completely fallen. They had not been competitive in years and NOBODY wanted to be there. Favre turned all of that around almost by himself.

    Favre had unfortunate luck in that his best years where against super teams like the Cowboys and 49ers, otherwise he would have had probably one or two more rings. He made the Packers an "it" place. You think Reggie White would have had anything to do with Green Bay without No. 4?

    Favre put GB back on the map ... won them a Super Bowl. Broke a shitload of records ... built a Mercedes ... and then watched as the owners of the Mercedes asked him not to drive it anymore, despite having plenty of drive left in him.

    As for comparing to the "all-time" greats. You also have to throw in the shitty Colts team Manning joined. The shittiness of the 49ers team that Montana joined, etc. Rodgers has NEVER played for a shitty team and probably never will. He is definitely part of the reason they are good. I VERY big part. But comparing him to those other guys already is getting a little ahead of yourself.

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1100450
    This argument is interesting to say the least ... but it is a very tough argument.

    First ... passing numbers in today's game are not even comparable to anything pre-1995 because the rules are made for passers today. Unitas, Namath, Griese, Starr, Dawson, Staubach all would have much better numbers if they played today. Hell, Montana, Marino, Fouts, Elway and probably even Favre would have better numbers as well.

    Second ... the "at this point in his career" argument is really tough as well. Lets be honest, the Packers that Rodgers got handed the reins to had been to the NFC Championship Game just the year before. They are loaded with offensive talent, in particular at WR and TE. I think Rodgers is VERY VERY good. No doubt about it, but he was giving a Mercedes to drive and has managed to not wreck it.

    Favre was not given the same kind of team. I said it BEFORE he was a Vikings QB and I will say it now. Favre is the best thing that EVER happened to the Packers. Better than Lombardi, Starr, Rodgers and Desmond Howard.

    While that team was one of the greats "back in the day" they had completely fallen. They had not been competitive in years and NOBODY wanted to be there. Favre turned all of that around almost by himself.

    Favre had unfortunate luck in that his best years where against super teams like the Cowboys and 49ers, otherwise he would have had probably one or two more rings. He made the Packers an "it" place. You think Reggie White would have had anything to do with Green Bay without No. 4?

    Favre put GB back on the map ... won them a Super Bowl. Broke a shitload of records ... built a Mercedes ... and then watched as the owners of the Mercedes asked him not to drive it anymore, despite having plenty of drive left in him.
    As for comparing to the "all-time" greats. You also have to throw in the shitty Colts team Manning joined. The shittiness of the 49ers team that Montana joined, etc. Rodgers has NEVER played for a shitty team and probably never will. He is definitely part of the reason they are good. I VERY big part. But comparing him to those other guys already is getting a little ahead of yourself.
    Careful, you're making too much sense with points like that.

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1100452
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1100450
    This argument is interesting to say the least ... but it is a very tough argument.

    First ... passing numbers in today's game are not even comparable to anything pre-1995 because the rules are made for passers today. Unitas, Namath, Griese, Starr, Dawson, Staubach all would have much better numbers if they played today. Hell, Montana, Marino, Fouts, Elway and probably even Favre would have better numbers as well.

    Second ... the "at this point in his career" argument is really tough as well. Lets be honest, the Packers that Rodgers got handed the reins to had been to the NFC Championship Game just the year before. They are loaded with offensive talent, in particular at WR and TE. I think Rodgers is VERY VERY good. No doubt about it, but he was giving a Mercedes to drive and has managed to not wreck it.

    Favre was not given the same kind of team. I said it BEFORE he was a Vikings QB and I will say it now. Favre is the best thing that EVER happened to the Packers. Better than Lombardi, Starr, Rodgers and Desmond Howard.

    While that team was one of the greats "back in the day" they had completely fallen. They had not been competitive in years and NOBODY wanted to be there. Favre turned all of that around almost by himself.

    Favre had unfortunate luck in that his best years where against super teams like the Cowboys and 49ers, otherwise he would have had probably one or two more rings. He made the Packers an "it" place. You think Reggie White would have had anything to do with Green Bay without No. 4?

    Favre put GB back on the map ... won them a Super Bowl. Broke a shitload of records ... built a Mercedes ... and then watched as the owners of the Mercedes asked him not to drive it anymore, despite having plenty of drive left in him.
    As for comparing to the "all-time" greats. You also have to throw in the shitty Colts team Manning joined. The shittiness of the 49ers team that Montana joined, etc. Rodgers has NEVER played for a shitty team and probably never will. He is definitely part of the reason they are good. I VERY big part. But comparing him to those other guys already is getting a little ahead of yourself.
    Careful, you're making too much sense with points like that.
    I thought it was a good post also.

    Favre himself said that Reggie White was far more impactful than he was in the resurgence of the Packers, so there are at least two people that I know of (Favre and me :P ) that disagree on that point, but that's being picky. B)

    The main reason I made this thread (other than boredom and giving us something to [strike]argue about[/strike] discuss) is that I felt that his 11th ranking in the "top 100 of 2010" by his peers (NFL network show) was low, and I chose this topic rather than a more mundane, "Rodgers was hosed" type thread.

    It seems to be working, except upsetting the sensibilities of those that don't seem especially fond of a discussion unless it dovetails with their preconceived notions of subject matter or somesuch shit. :lol:

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    Re: Rodgers is better than Favre

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1100453
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1100452
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1100450
    This argument is interesting to say the least ... but it is a very tough argument.

    First ... passing numbers in today's game are not even comparable to anything pre-1995 because the rules are made for passers today. Unitas, Namath, Griese, Starr, Dawson, Staubach all would have much better numbers if they played today. Hell, Montana, Marino, Fouts, Elway and probably even Favre would have better numbers as well.

    Second ... the "at this point in his career" argument is really tough as well. Lets be honest, the Packers that Rodgers got handed the reins to had been to the NFC Championship Game just the year before. They are loaded with offensive talent, in particular at WR and TE. I think Rodgers is VERY VERY good. No doubt about it, but he was giving a Mercedes to drive and has managed to not wreck it.

    Favre was not given the same kind of team. I said it BEFORE he was a Vikings QB and I will say it now. Favre is the best thing that EVER happened to the Packers. Better than Lombardi, Starr, Rodgers and Desmond Howard.

    While that team was one of the greats "back in the day" they had completely fallen. They had not been competitive in years and NOBODY wanted to be there. Favre turned all of that around almost by himself.

    Favre had unfortunate luck in that his best years where against super teams like the Cowboys and 49ers, otherwise he would have had probably one or two more rings. He made the Packers an "it" place. You think Reggie White would have had anything to do with Green Bay without No. 4?

    Favre put GB back on the map ... won them a Super Bowl. Broke a shitload of records ... built a Mercedes ... and then watched as the owners of the Mercedes asked him not to drive it anymore, despite having plenty of drive left in him.

    As for comparing to the "all-time" greats. You also have to throw in the shitty Colts team Manning joined. The shittiness of the 49ers team that Montana joined, etc. Rodgers has NEVER played for a shitty team and probably never will. He is definitely part of the reason they are good. I VERY big part. But comparing him to those other guys already is getting a little ahead of yourself.
    Careful, you're making too much sense with points like that.
    I thought it was a good post also.

    Favre himself said that Reggie White was far more impactful than he was in the resurgence of the Packers, so there are at least two people that I know of (Favre and me :P ) that disagree on that point, but that's being picky. B)

    The main reason I made this thread (other than boredom and giving us something to [strike]argue about[/strike] discuss) is that I felt that his 11th ranking in the "top 100 of 2010" by his peers (NFL network show) was low, and I chose this topic rather than a more mundane, "Rodgers was hosed" type thread.

    It seems to be working, except upsetting the sensibilities of those that don't seem especially fond of a discussion unless it dovetails with their preconceived notions of subject matter or somesuch shit. :lol:
    Favre HAS to say White was more impactful. But, the bottom line is this. If Favre was not in Green Bay, then White never would have been there. So that debate is pretty much over.

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