11-22-2006, 10:50 AM #1Jersey Retired
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Research on all time sack leaders.
Maybe this is old news the publishing date was 2000 but I had never seen it before and I ran across it looking up something else so I thought I would post it here.
I know it old but still thought it was worth reading.
The research to see who was the real all time sack leader in 2000 took him 8 years, I was really happy to see some of my all time favorite Vikings on the list.
Setting the record straight on all of those QB takedowns
By John Turney
As published in print June 26, 2000
In 1992, the National Football League was making much ado about Lawrence Taylor becoming the NFLâ€™s all-time sack leader. It was at that point my curiosity peaked, I began asking questions as to why the NFL did not count Taylorâ€™s 1981 sack total of 9Â½ in his career total. I knew that the sack became an official statistic in â€™82, but I wondered aloud why his rookie year was not grandfathered into the record books. Various sources gave various answers, none of which were completely satisfactory. That was the genesis of a research project that has now spanned eight years and required many sources to try and find answers to my questions.
Eventually, Reggie White passed Taylor and was crowned by the NFL and Elias Sports Bureau, the statistical arm of the NFL, as the all-time sack leader. It was amid this backdrop that another individual was asking many of the same questions that I was. Hall of Fame DE Deacon Jones proclaimed that it was he, not White, who was the NFLâ€™s all-time sack king. Jones said to anyone who would listen, "Since when does â€˜all-timeâ€™ begin in 1982?"
Attempting to prove Jonesâ€™ claims was a tedious task, especially since only a few teams had published team sack records in their media guides. So, with the help of a partner, Nick Webster, we traveled to every NFL city and read every available "play-by-play." A play-by-play is a game summary that is used by Elias to compile all NFL statistics. Additionally, I was able to research old game films in Mt. Laurel, N.J., the home of NFL Films, to fill in where a play-by-play may have lacked.
Ultimately, this research showed that Jones was indeed the leading sacker of all time, as he had claimed â€” until 1997, that is. That season, White surpassed Jonesâ€™ regular-season total of 173Â½ sacks. In the next couple of seasons, Bruce Smith has a realistic shot at surpassing White (although rumors that White might come out of retirement would make Smithâ€™s task much more difficult). Smith has indicated on several occasions that, in addition to winning an NFL title, he is aiming for the sack title as well. Entering the 2000 season, Smith trails White by 21Â½ sacks.
Now that Jonesâ€™ career has been fully researched, he will have to settle for being second or third on the list rather than first. But, Jones understood this when the research began by stating, "Records are made to be broken, but dammit, if the NFL didnâ€™t recognize me as the true all-time sack king, what kind of records would Reggie and Bruce have been breaking? The false kind. But this way it is legit, and I admire what Reggie White and Bruce Smith have done." Jones will still push to have his sacks recognized, but now he seems more content that his greatness has some quantification to it.
Others players have great regard to their place in history. When Kevin Greene retired after the â€™99 season, he was asked about how his career would be remembered. His response was simple, "What linebacker has more sacks?" When told no one, Greene responded, "Exactly." Greene felt he had to work hard to pass Lawrence Taylorâ€™s 142 sacks, not just the 132Â½ he is officially credited with.
When folks talk about Jack Youngblood, it is often in the context of him playing with a fractured fibula. What also should be mentioned is that his pass-rush record is as just about good as anyone who ever played the game. Playing strong-side end in Ray Malavasi-coached defenses â€” which meant stopping the run first, then rushing the passer â€” Youngblood amassed over 150 career sacks.
Chris Doleman returned to the Vikings in â€™99 and moved in to the rarified air of the 150-sack club. Doleman thought that getting to that mark meant that he would have to be seriously considered for the Hall of Fame when he was eligible, considering that so few players have made it to such a high mark.
The week prior to Taylorâ€™s induction to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, one reporter asked him what might have happened if the Saints had drafted him. Taylor remarked rather flippantly that he probably would have ended up in rehab sooner. Jokes aside, if the Saints had taken L.T., sacks might still be unofficial. Taylorâ€™s success in 1981 and the monster year of the Jetsâ€™ "New York Sack Exchange" created enough buzz that former Jets official Jim Kensil, who was then on the NFL statistics committee, pushed through the requirement that Elias count sacks as official. So, not only did L.T. revolutionize his position, he was a major force in revolutionizing sacks as a statistic. Jones may have popularized the term, but it was L.T who made it stick.
Aside from the quantitative part of my sack research, this project was rewarding on many levels, one of which was to see how different play-by-play accounts would record sacks, or "passer tackled attempting to pass" as it was often called. Jones was credited with popularizing the head slap and also mainstreaming the term "sack." The media has often credited Jones with inventing both, but not even he claims invention â€” only perfecting.
Editor's note: John Turney is the researcher for the Dick Butkus Football Network (www.dickbutkus.com) and is a member of the Pro Football Researchers Association
Turneyâ€™s All-Time Sack list
1. DE-DT Reggie White (1985-98) 192.5
2. DE Deacon Jones (1961-74) 173.5
DE Bruce Smith (1985-99) 171.0
4. OLB-DE Kevin Greene (1985-99) 160.0
5. DE Jack Youngblood (1971-84) 151.5
DE-OLB Chris Doleman (1985-99) 151.0
7. DT Alan Page (1967-81) 148.5
8. OLB Lawrence Taylor (1981-93) 142.0
9. DE Richard Dent (1983-97)
10. OLB-DE Rickey Jackson (1981-95)
11. DE Carl Eller (1964-79) 133.5
12. DE-OLB Leslie Oâ€™Neal (1986-99) 132.5
13. DE-DT Coy Bacon (1968-81)
14. DE Al Baker (1978-90) 128.5
15. DE Jim Marshall (1960-79) 127.0
16. OLB-DE Derrick Thomas (1989-99) 126.5
I am also including the list of the new top 10 sack leaders!
1. Bruce Smith 200.0
2. Reggie White 198.0
3. Kevin Greene 160.0
4. Chris Doleman 150.5
5. John Randle 137.5
Richard Dent 137.5
7. Lawrence Taylor 132.5
Leslie O'Neal 132.5
9. Michael Strahan 129.5
10. Rickey Jackson 128.0
This list does not take into account sacks prior to 1982 when sacks became an official stat!
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
11-22-2006, 11:03 AM #2
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It's great to see the PPE's getting mentioned with the greats.
It was also fun to reminisce about Jack Youngblood playing with the broken leg...that's some hardcore shit.Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
11-22-2006, 11:36 AM #3
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That was a seriously fascinating read ... I knew that most research had suggested that Bruce Smith's total was legitimate at the top, but it is still nice to see Deacon's and Youngblood's names where they belong with the best of the best.
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