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    MINNESOTA VIKINGS (6-10)

    New faces: Coach Leslie Frazier, QB Donovan McNabb, QB Christian Ponder, WR Michael Jenkins, DT Remi Ayodele, TE Kyle Rudolph, LT Charlie Johnson.

    Key losses: QB Brett Favre, DE Ray Edwards, LB Ben Leber, DT Pat Williams, WR Sidney Rice, LT Bryant McKinnie.

    Strengths: Dynamic playmakers. With RB Adrian Peterson, WR Percy Harvin, DE Jared Allen and LB Chad Greenway, Vikings have talented group at skill positions. Kicking game solid with Ryan Longwell and punter Chris Kluwe.

    Weaknesses: Age. CB Antoine Winfield, DT Kevin Williams, LG Steve Hutchinson and McNabb are in twilight of careers. OL is significant concern with departure of mainstay McKinnie, who showed up to training camp overweight, and uncertainty of RG Anthony Herrera, coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Johnson has had rough preseason in McKinnie's place. McNabb has played 16 games only once in last seven years. Can line protect him and open holes for Peterson? Secondary also uncertain with CB Cedric Griffin coming off second torn ACL, one on each knee, in last two years. Unproven safeties Husain Abdullah, Jamarca Sanford, Tyrell Johnson, Mistral Raymond competing for two starting spots.

    Expectations: Frazier and Vikings have fresh start without Favre and fired coach Brad Childress. Division should be tough, and winning record will be difficult

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    He has the Bores going 11-5 based on the hope the OL comes together, the defense remains strong and Williams somehow remembers how to catch a ball.

    Anyone who's watch the Bores so far knows that not all three of those hopes is gonna come true so I wouldn't believe the 6-10 projection for us.

    On a side note there are some good ones in here if you have the time to read them.
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    The Vikings almost ALWAYS have their best seasons when flying under the radar.

    In 1998 I remember almost all prognosticators having us somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7. In 2000, I remember being in the same boat.

    Hell, when Favre came in 2009 most had us around 8-8 or 9-7 (though there were a few that had us higher) as people were already jumping on the GB bandwagon (just a year too soon).

    Of course, in the years like 1999, 2001 and 2010 ... all following solid years, we were expected to come out like wildfire and just fell flat.

    I am not saying I expect to be a serious contender like in those years. But I definitely could see this team being a lot better than many are projecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1105871
    The Vikings almost ALWAYS have their best seasons when flying under the radar.

    In 1998 I remember almost all prognosticators having us somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7. In 2000, I remember being in the same boat.

    Hell, when Favre came in 2009 most had us around 8-8 or 9-7 (though there were a few that had us higher) as people were already jumping on the GB bandwagon (just a year too soon).

    Of course, in the years like 1999, 2001 and 2010 ... all following solid years, we were expected to come out like wildfire and just fell flat.

    I am not saying I expect to be a serious contender like in those years. But I definitely could see this team being a lot better than many are projecting.
    Great piece of history and I think your last comment is spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105863
    MINNESOTA VIKINGS (6-10)

    New faces: Coach Leslie Frazier, QB Donovan McNabb, QB Christian Ponder, WR Michael Jenkins, DT Remi Ayodele, TE Kyle Rudolph, LT Charlie Johnson.

    Key losses: QB Brett Favre, DE Ray Edwards, LB Ben Leber, DT Pat Williams, WR Sidney Rice, LT Bryant McKinnie.

    Strengths: Dynamic playmakers. With RB Adrian Peterson, WR Percy Harvin, DE Jared Allen and LB Chad Greenway, Vikings have talented group at skill positions. Kicking game solid with Ryan Longwell and punter Chris Kluwe.

    Weaknesses: Age. CB Antoine Winfield, DT Kevin Williams, LG Steve Hutchinson and McNabb are in twilight of careers. OL is significant concern with departure of mainstay McKinnie, who showed up to training camp overweight, and uncertainty of RG Anthony Herrera, coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Johnson has had rough preseason in McKinnie's place. McNabb has played 16 games only once in last seven years. Can line protect him and open holes for Peterson? Secondary also uncertain with CB Cedric Griffin coming off second torn ACL, one on each knee, in last two years. Unproven safeties Husain Abdullah, Jamarca Sanford, Tyrell Johnson, Mistral Raymond competing for two starting spots.

    Expectations: Frazier and Vikings have fresh start without Favre and fired coach Brad Childress. Division should be tough, and winning record will be difficult

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    He has the Bores going 11-5 based on the hope the OL comes together, the defense remains strong and Williams somehow remembers how to catch a ball.

    Anyone who's watch the Bores so far knows that not all three of those hopes is gonna come true so I wouldn't believe the 6-10 projection for us.

    On a side note there are some good ones in here if you have the time to read them.
    I agree that he is highly over-rating the Bears. I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the bottom of the North when all is said and done.

    I think his little summary of the vikings was pretty good, but 8-8 is what I would throw out if I take off my purple shades.

    And it's just a meaningless pre-season attempt at a guess.

    I would put money against his Chicago prediction though.

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    the north is gonna be won by whos D or O-line gets into a groove of excellence first.

    The bears o-lines already given up 10+ sacks in two preseason games (dont feel like doing the research lol) but they do have a good DE and some decent players on there D-line

    the Lions o-line has killed there young QB every year hes been in the league. On paper have a killer D-line but Suh getting a Rep for being dirty, and who knows how fairley will do, they do have good DEs

    Our O-line is def a work in progress but not as bad as some think i think they need to decide who and let they Gel. Our D-line seems to be going back to the days of old when we had smaller but strong and quick D-linemen, I like the Depth though, a Great DE in Allen, Kevin is still a top 5 DT, Robison or one of the other DEs will step up for the LE spot.

    the Pukers O-line maybe the first to gel and take them to the top of the north. have a good line for a 3-4 but loadholts allowed what 1 sack from the all powerful matthews (total scarcasm). play him in a 4-3 and he greenway easily the better Linebacker.

    but it comes down to the two lines as in all football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1105891
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105863
    MINNESOTA VIKINGS (6-10)

    New faces: Coach Leslie Frazier, QB Donovan McNabb, QB Christian Ponder, WR Michael Jenkins, DT Remi Ayodele, TE Kyle Rudolph, LT Charlie Johnson.

    Key losses: QB Brett Favre, DE Ray Edwards, LB Ben Leber, DT Pat Williams, WR Sidney Rice, LT Bryant McKinnie.

    Strengths: Dynamic playmakers. With RB Adrian Peterson, WR Percy Harvin, DE Jared Allen and LB Chad Greenway, Vikings have talented group at skill positions. Kicking game solid with Ryan Longwell and punter Chris Kluwe.

    Weaknesses: Age. CB Antoine Winfield, DT Kevin Williams, LG Steve Hutchinson and McNabb are in twilight of careers. OL is significant concern with departure of mainstay McKinnie, who showed up to training camp overweight, and uncertainty of RG Anthony Herrera, coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Johnson has had rough preseason in McKinnie's place. McNabb has played 16 games only once in last seven years. Can line protect him and open holes for Peterson? Secondary also uncertain with CB Cedric Griffin coming off second torn ACL, one on each knee, in last two years. Unproven safeties Husain Abdullah, Jamarca Sanford, Tyrell Johnson, Mistral Raymond competing for two starting spots.

    Expectations: Frazier and Vikings have fresh start without Favre and fired coach Brad Childress. Division should be tough, and winning record will be difficult

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    He has the Bores going 11-5 based on the hope the OL comes together, the defense remains strong and Williams somehow remembers how to catch a ball.

    Anyone who's watch the Bores so far knows that not all three of those hopes is gonna come true so I wouldn't believe the 6-10 projection for us.

    On a side note there are some good ones in here if you have the time to read them.
    I agree that he is highly over-rating the Bears. I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the bottom of the North when all is said and done.

    I think his little summary of the vikings was pretty good, but 8-8 is what I would throw out if I take off my purple shades.

    And it's just a meaningless pre-season attempt at a guess.

    I would put money against his Chicago prediction though.
    I disagree with the DB and OL assesment.

    Been down the road enough lately (and posted the stats) about how our OL was middle of the road, last year with backups in it so I don't think I have to go there again, but its been a bit of time since I pointed out that our DB's actually played better than most contend last year.

    Even without our starters and a "Non-existent" pass rush the first part of the season our DB's graded out pretty damn high last year.

    Just because they didn't get alot of "Picks" most yutz sports hacks fall into the same ole cliche of how bad they are when in fact they aren't that bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by "delviking" #1105896
    the north is gonna be won by whos D or O-line gets into a groove of excellence first.

    The bears o-lines already given up 10+ sacks in two preseason games (dont feel like doing the research lol) but they do have a good DE and some decent players on there D-line

    the Lions o-line has killed there young QB every year hes been in the league. On paper have a killer D-line but Suh getting a Rep for being dirty, and who knows how fairley will do, they do have good DEs

    Our O-line is def a work in progress but not as bad as some think i think they need to decide who and let they Gel. Our D-line seems to be going back to the days of old when we had smaller but strong and quick D-linemen, I like the Depth though, a Great DE in Allen, Kevin is still a top 5 DT, Robison or one of the other DEs will step up for the LE spot.

    the Pukers O-line maybe the first to gel and take them to the top of the north. have a good line for a 3-4 but loadholts allowed what 1 sack from the all powerful matthews (total scarcasm). play him in a 4-3 and he greenway easily the better Linebacker.

    but it comes down to the two lines as in all football.
    As always, an excellent post.

    A few thoughts on the PUKERS.

    Everyone raves about how the PUKERs overcame so many injuries with something like 16 key players on IR at the end of the season or some ting like that.

    As I pointed out in a few threads when people claimed that, Jermichael Finley is the only genuine difference-maker returning. Everyone else is a role player who provides depth. Heck, there is even talk that Ryan Grant might be cut (don't think its gonna happen though if he restructured his contract last night).

    Losses are were its gonna hurt this year......

    They drafted Sherrod in the first-round at left guard but seems to be behind Lang to replace Colledge .

    Alot of talk about their DB's and LB's but I think that the loss of Jenkins is gonna hurt more than most think. Sure, Raji has been a nice fit but he can't play all the time. Someone else is gonna have to step up and help fill the whole that makes it possible for the LB'rs to do what they do.

    Don't get me wrong, they have a good team. A great QB and a staff behind them that knows how to put a team together and get it ready, but it isn't gonna be a cake walk like everyone thinks.

    As you said, improve our line play, match it with what appears to be a better defense than we've seen in a while, and put a ball control offense on the field that can help keep the ball away and I think we are gonna be a heck of alot more than a 6-10 team my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105941
    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1105891
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105863
    MINNESOTA VIKINGS (6-10)

    New faces: Coach Leslie Frazier, QB Donovan McNabb, QB Christian Ponder, WR Michael Jenkins, DT Remi Ayodele, TE Kyle Rudolph, LT Charlie Johnson.

    Key losses: QB Brett Favre, DE Ray Edwards, LB Ben Leber, DT Pat Williams, WR Sidney Rice, LT Bryant McKinnie.

    Strengths: Dynamic playmakers. With RB Adrian Peterson, WR Percy Harvin, DE Jared Allen and LB Chad Greenway, Vikings have talented group at skill positions. Kicking game solid with Ryan Longwell and punter Chris Kluwe.

    Weaknesses: Age. CB Antoine Winfield, DT Kevin Williams, LG Steve Hutchinson and McNabb are in twilight of careers. OL is significant concern with departure of mainstay McKinnie, who showed up to training camp overweight, and uncertainty of RG Anthony Herrera, coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Johnson has had rough preseason in McKinnie's place. McNabb has played 16 games only once in last seven years. Can line protect him and open holes for Peterson? Secondary also uncertain with CB Cedric Griffin coming off second torn ACL, one on each knee, in last two years. Unproven safeties Husain Abdullah, Jamarca Sanford, Tyrell Johnson, Mistral Raymond competing for two starting spots.

    Expectations: Frazier and Vikings have fresh start without Favre and fired coach Brad Childress. Division should be tough, and winning record will be difficult

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    He has the Bores going 11-5 based on the hope the OL comes together, the defense remains strong and Williams somehow remembers how to catch a ball.

    Anyone who's watch the Bores so far knows that not all three of those hopes is gonna come true so I wouldn't believe the 6-10 projection for us.

    On a side note there are some good ones in here if you have the time to read them.
    I agree that he is highly over-rating the Bears. I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the bottom of the North when all is said and done.

    I think his little summary of the vikings was pretty good, but 8-8 is what I would throw out if I take off my purple shades.

    And it's just a meaningless pre-season attempt at a guess.

    I would put money against his Chicago prediction though.
    I disagree with the DB and OL assesment.

    Been down the road enough lately (and posted the stats) about how our OL was middle of the road, last year with backups in it so I don't think I have to go there again, but its been a bit of time since I pointed out that our DB's actually played better than most contend last year.

    Even without our starters and a "Non-existent" pass rush the first part of the season our DB's graded out pretty damn high last year.

    Just because they didn't get alot of "Picks" most yutz sports hacks fall into the same ole cliche of how bad they are when in fact they aren't that bad at all.
    I think it's a pretty fair assumption to say that the two most questionable areas on our team are with the backfield on defense and the line on offense. The WR's could be criticized as well.

    You see a lot of potential in each of these areas and that is fine and may be what we end up seeing, but at this point it takes a lot of faith to just believe we are going to be fine.

    If McNabb comes in and plays at an all pro level, he can help out with deficiencies in the line. If the line comes out and plays like a top 10 line, then they can help McNabb look good.

    There are a lot of changes on this team and a lot of unknowns at this point. I'll sit back and see how it unfolds, but I'm not going to try and assert at this point that we have a great DB group or OL.

    I would have written a very similar write up if I was being honest. But I think 7 or 8 wins at this point is a better expectation. More than that and I give Frazier and staff a lot of kudos and probably McNabb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1105984
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105941
    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1105891
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105863
    MINNESOTA VIKINGS (6-10)

    New faces: Coach Leslie Frazier, QB Donovan McNabb, QB Christian Ponder, WR Michael Jenkins, DT Remi Ayodele, TE Kyle Rudolph, LT Charlie Johnson.

    Key losses: QB Brett Favre, DE Ray Edwards, LB Ben Leber, DT Pat Williams, WR Sidney Rice, LT Bryant McKinnie.

    Strengths: Dynamic playmakers. With RB Adrian Peterson, WR Percy Harvin, DE Jared Allen and LB Chad Greenway, Vikings have talented group at skill positions. Kicking game solid with Ryan Longwell and punter Chris Kluwe.

    Weaknesses: Age. CB Antoine Winfield, DT Kevin Williams, LG Steve Hutchinson and McNabb are in twilight of careers. OL is significant concern with departure of mainstay McKinnie, who showed up to training camp overweight, and uncertainty of RG Anthony Herrera, coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Johnson has had rough preseason in McKinnie's place. McNabb has played 16 games only once in last seven years. Can line protect him and open holes for Peterson? Secondary also uncertain with CB Cedric Griffin coming off second torn ACL, one on each knee, in last two years. Unproven safeties Husain Abdullah, Jamarca Sanford, Tyrell Johnson, Mistral Raymond competing for two starting spots.

    Expectations: Frazier and Vikings have fresh start without Favre and fired coach Brad Childress. Division should be tough, and winning record will be difficult

    Preview Capsules Of Each NFL Team

    He has the Bores going 11-5 based on the hope the OL comes together, the defense remains strong and Williams somehow remembers how to catch a ball.

    Anyone who's watch the Bores so far knows that not all three of those hopes is gonna come true so I wouldn't believe the 6-10 projection for us.

    On a side note there are some good ones in here if you have the time to read them.
    I agree that he is highly over-rating the Bears. I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the bottom of the North when all is said and done.

    I think his little summary of the vikings was pretty good, but 8-8 is what I would throw out if I take off my purple shades.

    And it's just a meaningless pre-season attempt at a guess.

    I would put money against his Chicago prediction though.
    I disagree with the DB and OL assesment.

    Been down the road enough lately (and posted the stats) about how our OL was middle of the road, last year with backups in it so I don't think I have to go there again, but its been a bit of time since I pointed out that our DB's actually played better than most contend last year.

    Even without our starters and a "Non-existent" pass rush the first part of the season our DB's graded out pretty damn high last year.

    Just because they didn't get alot of "Picks" most yutz sports hacks fall into the same ole cliche of how bad they are when in fact they aren't that bad at all.
    I think it's a pretty fair assumption to say that the two most questionable areas on our team are with the backfield on defense and the line on offense. The WR's could be criticized as well.

    You see a lot of potential in each of these areas and that is fine and may be what we end up seeing, but at this point it takes a lot of faith to just believe we are going to be fine.

    If McNabb comes in and plays at an all pro level, he can help out with deficiencies in the line. If the line comes out and plays like a top 10 line, then they can help McNabb look good.

    There are a lot of changes on this team and a lot of unknowns at this point. I'll sit back and see how it unfolds, but I'm not going to try and assert at this point that we have a great DB group or OL.

    I would have written a very similar write up if I was being honest. But I think 7 or 8 wins at this point is a better expectation. More than that and I give Frazier and staff a lot of kudos and probably McNabb.
    I can track with all of that, just I'm not saying or using the word great when it comes to our DB and OL play last year.

    We had lots of backups playing in those position groups. My point is that they graded out pretty good last year with those cats in there. Just getting our starters back should help get us back to a 2009 form or better.

    As to this, I guess I would have listed the following:

    I would have written a very similar write up if I was being honest. But I think 7 or 8 wins at this point is a better expectation. More than that and I give Frazier and staff a lot of kudos and probably McNabb.
    DL - No obvious replacement for Phat Pat.
    DE - Questioned if Rob could hold up/be effective
    WR - Questioned lack of Possesion/Red Zone target
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    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105995
    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1105984
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105941
    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1105891
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1105863
    MINNESOTA VIKINGS (6-10)

    New faces: Coach Leslie Frazier, QB Donovan McNabb, QB Christian Ponder, WR Michael Jenkins, DT Remi Ayodele, TE Kyle Rudolph, LT Charlie Johnson.

    Key losses: QB Brett Favre, DE Ray Edwards, LB Ben Leber, DT Pat Williams, WR Sidney Rice, LT Bryant McKinnie.

    Strengths: Dynamic playmakers. With RB Adrian Peterson, WR Percy Harvin, DE Jared Allen and LB Chad Greenway, Vikings have talented group at skill positions. Kicking game solid with Ryan Longwell and punter Chris Kluwe.

    Weaknesses: Age. CB Antoine Winfield, DT Kevin Williams, LG Steve Hutchinson and McNabb are in twilight of careers. OL is significant concern with departure of mainstay McKinnie, who showed up to training camp overweight, and uncertainty of RG Anthony Herrera, coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Johnson has had rough preseason in McKinnie's place. McNabb has played 16 games only once in last seven years. Can line protect him and open holes for Peterson? Secondary also uncertain with CB Cedric Griffin coming off second torn ACL, one on each knee, in last two years. Unproven safeties Husain Abdullah, Jamarca Sanford, Tyrell Johnson, Mistral Raymond competing for two starting spots.

    Expectations: Frazier and Vikings have fresh start without Favre and fired coach Brad Childress. Division should be tough, and winning record will be difficult

    Preview Capsules Of Each NFL Team

    He has the Bores going 11-5 based on the hope the OL comes together, the defense remains strong and Williams somehow remembers how to catch a ball.

    Anyone who's watch the Bores so far knows that not all three of those hopes is gonna come true so I wouldn't believe the 6-10 projection for us.

    On a side note there are some good ones in here if you have the time to read them.
    I agree that he is highly over-rating the Bears. I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the bottom of the North when all is said and done.

    I think his little summary of the vikings was pretty good, but 8-8 is what I would throw out if I take off my purple shades.

    And it's just a meaningless pre-season attempt at a guess.

    I would put money against his Chicago prediction though.
    I disagree with the DB and OL assesment.

    Been down the road enough lately (and posted the stats) about how our OL was middle of the road, last year with backups in it so I don't think I have to go there again, but its been a bit of time since I pointed out that our DB's actually played better than most contend last year.

    Even without our starters and a "Non-existent" pass rush the first part of the season our DB's graded out pretty damn high last year.

    Just because they didn't get alot of "Picks" most yutz sports hacks fall into the same ole cliche of how bad they are when in fact they aren't that bad at all.
    I think it's a pretty fair assumption to say that the two most questionable areas on our team are with the backfield on defense and the line on offense. The WR's could be criticized as well.

    You see a lot of potential in each of these areas and that is fine and may be what we end up seeing, but at this point it takes a lot of faith to just believe we are going to be fine.

    If McNabb comes in and plays at an all pro level, he can help out with deficiencies in the line. If the line comes out and plays like a top 10 line, then they can help McNabb look good.

    There are a lot of changes on this team and a lot of unknowns at this point. I'll sit back and see how it unfolds, but I'm not going to try and assert at this point that we have a great DB group or OL.

    I would have written a very similar write up if I was being honest. But I think 7 or 8 wins at this point is a better expectation. More than that and I give Frazier and staff a lot of kudos and probably McNabb.
    I can track with all of that, just I'm not saying or using the word great when it comes to our DB and OL play last year.

    We had lots of backups playing in those position groups. My point is that they graded out pretty good last year with those cats in there. Just getting our starters back should help get us back to a 2009 form or better.

    As to this, I guess I would have listed the following:

    I would have written a very similar write up if I was being honest. But I think 7 or 8 wins at this point is a better expectation. More than that and I give Frazier and staff a lot of kudos and probably McNabb.
    DL - No obvious replacement for Phat Pat.
    DE - Questioned if Rob could hold up/be effective
    WR - Questioned lack of Possesion/Red Zone target
    Even more reasons to expect a mediocre season this year until shown otherwise. A lot of changes in personnel, a few twists to how both sides of the ball will be called and a lot of unknowns.

    With the DB's I'm hopeful, but I'm far from confident. Same goes for the OL. I've less concerns for the DL, but there are question marks as you point out. Rudolph and Shank should be fine choices for Red Zone targets. I think Rudolph could make us forget about Shank pretty quickly.

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