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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    Apparently new officials make about 35,000 dollars for the season. Which is great for you and I, but in the realm on officiating that isn't pooh. I am sure that the water treatment workers, the office furniture salesmen that moonlight as NFL refs a few months out of the year are GREAT lol. I'm also sure they love selling composite entertainment centers so much they wouldn't give that up to ref full time.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf?/base/sports/113755650544930.xml&coll=7

    gol 'darnit near every article I have read on this has the refs wanting to go FT. The NFL and the Union are not allowing it. This article points out some interesting things about the officiating.

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "Del" wrote:
    The reffing is pretty bad, if you have NFL network take a moment to watch the segment where they take 3 or so bad calls of the week and go over them.

    There are calls that change the outcomes of games, change history. You have a ref mis call the fricken coin toss and your telling me that is quality? That is the best there is?

    People have been calling for refs to become full-time for years. The only thing stopping it is the Union.
    Unfortunately (and I don't know if I should blame Charter or the NFL) I haven't had the NFL network since about March or so.

    In baseball, umps make "OUT" calls on phantom base tags 2 or 3 times a game.

    In basketball, travelling and palming are virtually non-existant calls, even though it happens all the time.

    In hockey, the obstruction penalty calls are a joke either for or against, depending on the crew.


    These people are humans - humans make mistakes.
    Sometimes these mistakes have an effect on the outcomes of the games.
    Just like any of the actions on individual plays have an effect on the outcomes of the games.

    How will having the officials in the NFL be full-time change that?
    During the 21 weeks of the season (pre-season and 17 weeks of regular) they will still only be reffing one game a week.
    And during the other 31 weeks of the year, how to you propose they train?
    Constant review of game films?
    Well - those films are not shot from the same angles and viewpoints of the refs, so how useful would that be?

    Red Cashion, former NFL official (now retired) thinks it wouldn't work.
    http://bengals.enquirer.com/2003/01/21/wwwben2d21.html

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "AWZeus" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    The reffing is pretty bad, if you have NFL network take a moment to watch the segment where they take 3 or so bad calls of the week and go over them.

    There are calls that change the outcomes of games, change history. You have a ref mis call the fricken coin toss and your telling me that is quality? That is the best there is?

    People have been calling for refs to become full-time for years. The only thing stopping it is the Union.
    Unfortunately (and I don't know if I should blame Charter or the NFL) I haven't had the NFL network since about March or so.

    In baseball, umps make "OUT" calls on phantom base tags 2 or 3 times a game.

    In basketball, travelling and palming are virtually non-existant calls, even though it happens all the time.

    In hockey, the obstruction penalty calls are a joke either for or against, depending on the crew.


    These people are humans - humans make mistakes.
    Sometimes these mistakes have an effect on the outcomes of the games.
    Just like any of the actions on individual plays have an effect on the outcomes of the games.

    How will having the officials in the NFL be full-time change that?
    During the 21 weeks of the season (pre-season and 17 weeks of regular) they will still only be reffing one game a week.
    And during the other 31 weeks of the year, how to you propose they train?
    Constant review of game films?
    Well - those films are not shot from the same angles and viewpoints of the refs, so how useful would that be?

    Red Cashion, former NFL official (now retired) thinks it wouldn't work.
    http://bengals.enquirer.com/2003/01/21/wwwben2d21.html

    Let's discuss.

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    I would follow something like my article suggests. They be required to attend NFL practices, to attend NFL europe, to meet with physical trainers to meet physical fitness requirements, to attend coaching courses. Basically like NBA refs already do as well as MLB.

    You want to compare the two and yet you leave out a few very important things. How many eyes are responsible for that pitch? Just his. Not so in the NFL. So you get a call wrong with 3 guys looking at it is a bit more of an issue then one guy missing 2-3 calls on a 100mph sphere. Not to mention how many plays do NFL officials see a game compared to an ump?

    Basketball same scenerio, faster paced more up and down, more plays more possessions more potential for mistakes.

    I guess the question you could ask is if MLB Umpires only worked 3 months out of the year would you imagine that 2-3 bad calls a game increase? I almost guarantee it would. In the end that is the point, to take enough pride in the sport that you minimize the error ratio to as little as possible. If paying your refs 250,000 a year only reduces 2 mistakes a game that is more then enough justification to do so imo.

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    "Del" wrote:

    The reffing is pretty bad, if you have NFL network take a moment to watch the segment where they take 3 or so bad calls of the week and go over them.


    There are calls that change the outcomes of games, change history. You have a ref mis call the fricken coin toss and your telling me that is quality? That is the best there is?

    People have been calling for refs to become full-time for years. The only thing stopping it is the Union.
    I like that segment when I learn something new, but a lot of the time I feel like throwing up.
    It seems like they can make even the worst call look like they were called correctly.
    They just quote the rule book to their favor.
    How can you argue with the head of the officials?
    Is it just me or does anyone else feel this way also.

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "snowinapril" wrote:

    "Del" wrote:

    The reffing is pretty bad, if you have NFL network take a moment to watch the segment where they take 3 or so bad calls of the week and go over them.


    There are calls that change the outcomes of games, change history. You have a ref mis call the fricken coin toss and your telling me that is quality? That is the best there is?

    People have been calling for refs to become full-time for years. The only thing stopping it is the Union.
    I like that segment when I learn something new, but a lot of the time I feel like throwing up.
    It seems like they can make even the worst call look like they were called correctly.
    They just quote the rule book to their favor.
    How can you argue with the head of the officials?
    Is it just me or does anyone else feel this way also.
    I've never seen the show, so I can't comment on that.
    But if they show that a call is correct within the confines of the rules book - how can you dispute that?

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "AWZeus" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:

    "Del" wrote:

    The reffing is pretty bad, if you have NFL network take a moment to watch the segment where they take 3 or so bad calls of the week and go over them.


    There are calls that change the outcomes of games, change history. You have a ref mis call the fricken coin toss and your telling me that is quality? That is the best there is?

    People have been calling for refs to become full-time for years. The only thing stopping it is the Union.
    I like that segment when I learn something new, but a lot of the time I feel like throwing up.
    It seems like they can make even the worst call look like they were called correctly.
    They just quote the rule book to their favor.
    How can you argue with the head of the officials?
    Is it just me or does anyone else feel this way also.
    I've never seen the show, so I can't comment on that.
    But if they show that a call is correct within the confines of the rules book - how can you dispute that?

    =Z=
    Watch the show and then you will know. The guy is more often then not obviously talking out of his asspipe. I still like the show, and sometimes you see a call you thought was bad and it turns out you didnt know the rule. Often though it is a ref's mistake.

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "Del" wrote:
    Watch the show and then you will know. The guy is more often then not obviously talking out of his asspipe. I still like the show, and sometimes you see a call you thought was bad and it turns out you didnt know the rule. Often though it is a ref's mistake.
    I don't get the NFL Network, as I mentioned previously in this thread.
    You TIVO it for me, burn it to a DVD and mail it to me and then I'll watch it.

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "AWZeus" wrote:
    "snowinapril" wrote:

    "Del" wrote:

    The reffing is pretty bad, if you have NFL network take a moment to watch the segment where they take 3 or so bad calls of the week and go over them.


    There are calls that change the outcomes of games, change history. You have a ref mis call the fricken coin toss and your telling me that is quality? That is the best there is?

    People have been calling for refs to become full-time for years. The only thing stopping it is the Union.
    I like that segment when I learn something new, but a lot of the time I feel like throwing up.
    It seems like they can make even the worst call look like they were called correctly.
    They just quote the rule book to their favor.
    How can you argue with the head of the officials?
    Is it just me or does anyone else feel this way also.
    I've never seen the show, so I can't comment on that.
    But if they show that a call is correct within the confines of the rules book - how can you dispute that?

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "AWZeus" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    Watch the show and then you will know. The guy is more often then not obviously talking out of his asspipe. I still like the show, and sometimes you see a call you thought was bad and it turns out you didnt know the rule. Often though it is a ref's mistake.
    I don't get the NFL Network, as I mentioned previously in this thread.
    You TIVO it for me, burn it to a DVD and mail it to me and then I'll watch it.

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    I'll think about it. If it cuts into my TIVO porn then you can forget about it. I never saw where you said you didn't have NFL network in this thread.

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    Re: NFL needs full-time officials

    "Del" wrote:
    "AWZeus" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    Watch the show and then you will know. The guy is more often then not obviously talking out of his asspipe. I still like the show, and sometimes you see a call you thought was bad and it turns out you didnt know the rule. Often though it is a ref's mistake.
    I don't get the NFL Network, as I mentioned previously in this thread.
    You TIVO it for me, burn it to a DVD and mail it to me and then I'll watch it.

    =Z=
    I'll think about it. If it cuts into my TIVO porn then you can forget about it. I never saw where you said you didn't have NFL network in this thread.
    You quoted the message where I wrote that.
    Scroll up.

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