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    NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    [size=13pt]NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome[/size]

    Incoming NFL players can have all the talent in the world, but if their skills don't match their team's particular offensive or defensive schemes, problems often soon arise.

    By KEVIN SEIFERT, Star Tribune
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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    What a very interesting read on talent vs fit related to scheme.

    The Robertson example illustrates the advantages and perils of scheme-specific scouting: Teams can maximize the skills of their drafted players if they make accurate projections, but with every scheme change comes a personnel overhaul.
    LOL, makes me laugh when I sit back and remember all the times people on here
    have tried to convince me that organizations draft talent alone and don't take into account that it doesn't matter how talented a kid is, if he doesn't match the scheme he won't get drafted/signed.
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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    well well well... by the looks of this quote, it sure seems to me like the Head Coach has more than just a little bit of input on who gets drafted

    "I told Rod, 'You can hide your first-round pick as much as you want,'" Dungy said recently. "'I know you are taking [Florida State linebacker] Ernie Sims. He is a guy that just epitomizes what you are about and what you are trying to sell.'
    ...

    True, Sims' personality profile fit what the hard-nosed Marinelli wanted to build in Detroit. But just as important, Dungy knew that Sims' athletic skills made him a perfect match for his -- and now, Marinelli's -- Tampa-2 defense.
    The comments at the bottom of that page are hilarious.

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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    well well well... by the looks of this quote, it sure seems to me like the Head Coach has more than just a little bit of input on who gets drafted

    "I told Rod, 'You can hide your first-round pick as much as you want,'" Dungy said recently. "'I know you are taking [Florida State linebacker] Ernie Sims. He is a guy that just epitomizes what you are about and what you are trying to sell.'
    ...

    True, Sims' personality profile fit what the hard-nosed Marinelli wanted to build in Detroit. But just as important, Dungy knew that Sims' athletic skills made him a perfect match for his -- and now, Marinelli's -- Tampa-2 defense.
    The comments at the bottom of that page are hilarious.
    HC do run drafts if they are on a team that have them in some sort of a GM role (ie Shanahan Broncos) but I don't think that the Lions are one of them.

    If you read real close you will see that they are just talking about what players fit a scheme and we all know that teams that are successfull have GMs (who run the draft/scouting) that successfully find/draft players that fit the coaches scheme.

    Re-read that with that in mind and you won't get confused about who runs the draft again.
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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    I think its different on different teams.
    My point was not that the HC runs the draft, but more that they have a significant say in what happens.
    They don't have the final call, but if Chilly really doesn't want a guy that Speilman and Br______ski want, he most likely won't be picked

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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    I think its different on different teams.
    My point was not that the HC runs the draft, but more that they have a significant say in what happens.
    They don't have the final call, but if Chilly really doesn't want a guy that Speilman and Br______ski want, he most likely won't be picked
    Actually you are pretty correct there except on a couple of minor poinst........(I love this discussion by the way
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    a.
    Your statement should include Studwell and not Bryzcheapski.
    Bryzcheapski only gets involved after the pick is made.

    b.
    If Spielman isn't drafting players that fit the coaches scheme we don't have to worry about arguements anymore.
    The Owner now gets involved and flips the nickel/settles the dispute.

    Additionally, if he is drafting guys that don't fit the scheme (the basic idea behind this article) then he will be quickly fired as the team will start to go to shit (ala the Lions).

    Teams that draft players (no matter how talented) that don't fit the scheme usually suck.
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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    ok, i get you, but what if instead of picking peterson, Spielman really wanted Landry (pretending that Landry was still available), but Chilly knew that Peterson was a can't miss prospect.
    Who do you think would be picked?

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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    *bump
    At least add a moronic comment into the thread.
    I can't handle clicking and reading '*bump'.
    If you need help with moronic comments just pm me and i'll send you a template.
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    Re: NFL draft: It's the square-peg, round-hole syndrome

    sure, i'd love to see your moronic comment template.
    i just wanna hear what Marrdro has to say about it.

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