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    Re: NFC Scouting Reports

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    Whats funny is this guy don't even think when he wrote this. Here's a tidbit about Minnesota. I mean cmon, at least THINK a little bit before you write some nonsense...

    "Adrian Peterson, who was a force at the University of Oklahoma, has all the tools to be a star running back. But because the Vikings lack a veteran quarterback and a big-play wide receiver, opposing defenses will be able to focus on stopping the running game, which also includes Chester Taylor, who rushed for 1,216 yards last season."

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    I think he's spot on.

    If I was going against an unproven QB who has only completed 52.6% of his passes this year, has yet to prove they have a big-time receiver (although Wade is quickly getting there), the team had a 1,200+ yard rusher & Adrian Peterson, I'd tend to focus on stopping the run also.


    You missed my point, teams did focus on stopping the run and Taylor still got 1200+ yards. So how is this gonna be different this year? This guy is talking like teams will stop our running game(Hello 1200+ yards) and we will loose cause of it..Pleeeease, they ain't gonna stop shit...

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    Of course their going to concentrate on the run, that is whats looking like our strongest asset on our O.
    But at the same time, let them do just that, it's going to only help our passing game and any screen pass type plays.




    I believe our WR's and TJ are going to suprise alot of D's this year, and when they start connecting on those first down and long yardege pass plays, our opposing D's are going to get all that much more confused in their narrow Defensive game plan against us, and this will add up to us putting points on the board and W's....




    More I think about this team every day, the more I think the league and other teams are in for a big wake up call...




    Hopefully they won't figure us out till after the Super Bowl appearance we make...
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    Re: NFC Scouting Reports

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Nightgaunt" wrote:
    Whats funny is this guy don't even think when he wrote this. Here's a tidbit about Minnesota. I mean cmon, at least THINK a little bit before you write some nonsense...

    "Adrian Peterson, who was a force at the University of Oklahoma, has all the tools to be a star running back. But because the Vikings lack a veteran quarterback and a big-play wide receiver, opposing defenses will be able to focus on stopping the running game, which also includes Chester Taylor, who rushed for 1,216 yards last season."

    :P
    I think he's spot on.

    If I was going against an unproven QB who has only completed 52.6% of his passes this year, has yet to prove they have a big-time receiver (although Wade is quickly getting there), the team had a 1,200+ yard rusher & Adrian Peterson, I'd tend to focus on stopping the run also.


    I agree but isn't that what opposing defenses did last year too?
    I say let them stack the box.
    TJ will find open receivers and make them eat crow.

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    Re: NFC Scouting Reports

    "Nightgaunt" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Nightgaunt" wrote:
    Whats funny is this guy don't even think when he wrote this. Here's a tidbit about Minnesota. I mean cmon, at least THINK a little bit before you write some nonsense...

    "Adrian Peterson, who was a force at the University of Oklahoma, has all the tools to be a star running back. But because the Vikings lack a veteran quarterback and a big-play wide receiver, opposing defenses will be able to focus on stopping the running game, which also includes Chester Taylor, who rushed for 1,216 yards last season."

    :P
    I think he's spot on.

    If I was going against an unproven QB who has only completed 52.6% of his passes this year, has yet to prove they have a big-time receiver (although Wade is quickly getting there), the team had a 1,200+ yard rusher & Adrian Peterson, I'd tend to focus on stopping the run also.


    You missed my point, teams did focus on stopping the run and Taylor still got 1200+ yards. So how is this gonna be different this year? This guy is talking like teams will stop our running game(Hello 1200+ yards) and we will loose cause of it..Pleeeease, they ain't gonna stop shit...
    He didn't say they'd stop it. He said they'd focus on it. Like you said, C-Tay got 1,200 yards when they focused on it. How many yards do you think he & AD would get if they didn't?

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    Why do we even bother reading every pre-season article?They all say the same thing.

    bears will win lions a sleeper vikes suck and rebuilding.
    new england will win the superbowl
    saint will win the nfc championship game

    blah blah blah blah.


    6 days till the season starts lets just wait till then

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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Nightgaunt" wrote:
    Whats funny is this guy don't even think when he wrote this. Here's a tidbit about Minnesota. I mean cmon, at least THINK a little bit before you write some nonsense...

    "Adrian Peterson, who was a force at the University of Oklahoma, has all the tools to be a star running back. But because the Vikings lack a veteran quarterback and a big-play wide receiver, opposing defenses will be able to focus on stopping the running game, which also includes Chester Taylor, who rushed for 1,216 yards last season."

    :P
    I think he's spot on.

    If I was going against an unproven QB who has only completed 52.6% of his passes this year, has yet to prove they have a big-time receiver (although Wade is quickly getting there), the team had a 1,200+ yard rusher & Adrian Peterson, I'd tend to focus on stopping the run also.


    Its just not that cut and dry.........
    When you talk about gameplanning for the Vikes and the potential this offense has do you.......

    a.
    Focus on stopping the run?
    If you do that then the QB can beat you with the pass.

    b.
    Focus on pressuring/blitzing alot to keep the young QB off balance hoping he makes bad decisions which lead to bad turnovers?
    Of course if you do that it takes away from your focus on stopping the run which leads to play action working which in turn leads to getting beat by the passing game.

    c.
    Focus on stopping the short to intermediate passing attack that is the staple of the WCO.
    That opens you up to the run and getting burned on a deep pass when your CB's jump obvious short routes.

    Granted for all this to work we need to be effective at the run, the short pass and of course a few deep balls (Randy Ration Guys Love That
    ;D).

    Anyway, bottom line up front, stuff like this is dreamed up by sports hacks who aren't coaches at all.
    I bet if you talk to the D-coord for the Atlanta Falcons he will tell you that they aren't just worried about stopping the run my friends but all facets of this type of offense.

    a. They will focus on stopping the run because they don't believe the QB can beat them with the pass.
    For us to be effective, TJ will have to beat them with the pass. The jury is still out on whether he can do that.

    b. They will blitz on passing downs the hurry the young QB, hoping to cause turnovers. This doesn't take focus off of the run, if you do it on obvious passing downs.
    Your sentence here confuses me. You say that blitzing leads to less focus on the run, which makes the playaction pass more effective. That just isn't true. Blitzing is msot effective when teams have shut down the run and do not have to focus on it anymore. Playaction does not work against the blitz. A blitzing LB will not hesitate on playaction if he does not respect you're run game. Instead he will not bite and go straight for the QB.
    For us to be effective Childress has to stick to the run in some 3rd down situations. If we run a typical WCO, we are screwed. We'll have to make them respect the run even more by running as much as we can. This makes them hesistate with the blitz on 3rd downs as well as setting up playaction. I am scared that Childress will give up on the run too soon like he did last year, rendering our playaction irrevelant.

    c. Does a short, intermediate passing attack work agaisnt a team that has 8 in the box? That is just a question I don't know the answer too. I always have thought that the best way to break 8 in the box was to go long. Also, just as the opposing D knows we'll like to run, they will also know we run WCO and like short passes. The CB's will start jumping short routes on our young QB in the 1st quarter. Do we have the talent to go deep early? Is TJ a good pump faker? Will he learn to look off the DB's? Those things are a must for a QB in the WCO.
    I think it will start by TJ using his legs and Bevell using screen passes and other routes out of the backfield. As TJ learns we will hopefully be more effective passing the ball. To expect it right out of the gate is a bit much.

    It's amazing how we disagree on on the little things Marrdro. I'm pretty sure we could go back and forth for hours if we were ever to meet.
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