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    NFC North Draft Grades In The Past Three Years

    NFC North draft grades: Plenty of picks, poor production for Bears

    Minnesota: A
    Total picks made: 18
    Picks on current roster: 12
    Touchdowns: RB Adrian Peterson, WR Sidney Rice, WR Percy Harvin
    Fumbles: CB Marcus McCauley
    Jury still out: S Tyrell Johnson
    Not surprisingly, the Vikings received the highest grade and the other NFC teams have a lot to learn. The Packers received the second best grade, and they got a C :laugh: (suckers)

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    Though the team had more pressing needs at those selections, the team's brass opted to take the top talent on the board regardless of position. In doing so, the Vikings fortified positions of strength and upgraded their overall talent base.
    So much for the "Needs" thing huh Mars.

    JK, I think we can trace our recent success in the draft to a few things......

    1. A increased emphasis and follow-on support for our scouting department.

    2. Open lanes of communication between the FO pukes and the Coaching staff with respect to roster position upgrades.

    I would love to sit in at the "end of the year report" that the coaching staff gives the VP of player personnel and his staff at the close of the season.

    Assumption on my part, but I believe that it is in that brief were Spielman, Studwell and Patton get their priorities with respect to roster position fills.

    3. Consistency. Other than the little snaffu with Foley, this staff has been together long enough now that there should be no major issues with respect to how to find the type of players needed to run the scheme.

    In the end, huge props to Spielman, Studwell and Patton for doing thier jobs the way it should be done.
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    HEY wrote:
    NFC North draft grades: Plenty of picks, poor production for Bears

    Minnesota: A
    Total picks made: 18
    Picks on current roster: 12
    Touchdowns: RB Adrian Peterson, WR Sidney Rice, WR Percy Harvin
    Fumbles: CB Marcus McCauley
    Jury still out: S Tyrell Johnson
    Not surprisingly, the Vikings received the highest grade and the other NFC teams have a lot to learn. The Packers received the second best grade, and they got a C :laugh: (suckers)
    I have a hard time believing the Fudgepackers get a C. If you go back to AR which is a steal at 23 or something like that. They got AJ Hawk who is an above ave. LB and last year they did very well in getting Matthews and Raji so just those guys alone deserve a B. That's not including Jermichael Finley who is going to be a great TE and huge mismacth against us and I would say the Pukers beserve at least a B+. If I were grading them I think the last two drafts were between a B+ & A- IMO!

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    By my count, Spielman has made seven draft-day trades to position himself to take the players he wanted over the past three years. Those players include receiver Sidney Rice (2007), safety Tyrell Johnson (2008) and linebacker Jasper Brinkley (2009). Expect more of the same this year from Spielman, who has the luxury of drafting purely for value rather than need.
    Draft Watch: NFC North

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    HEY wrote:
    NFC North draft grades: Plenty of picks, poor production for Bears

    Minnesota: A
    Total picks made: 18
    Picks on current roster: 12
    Touchdowns: RB Adrian Peterson, WR Sidney Rice, WR Percy Harvin
    Fumbles: CB Marcus McCauley
    Jury still out: S Tyrell Johnson
    Not surprisingly, the Vikings received the highest grade and the other NFC teams have a lot to learn. The Packers received the second best grade, and they got a C :laugh: (suckers)
    I have a hard time believing the Fudgepackers get a C. If you go back to AR which is a steal at 23 or something like that. They got AJ Hawk who is an above ave. LB and last year they did very well in getting Matthews and Raji so just those guys alone deserve a B. That's not including Jermichael Finley who is going to be a great TE and huge mismacth against us and I would say the Pukers beserve at least a B+. If I were grading them I think the last two drafts were between a B+ & A- IMO!
    The article says last 3 years. Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005. That might be part of the problem...

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    I have a hard time believing the Fudgepackers get a C. If you go back to AR which is a steal at 23 or something like that. They got AJ Hawk who is an above ave. LB and last year they did very well in getting Matthews and Raji so just those guys alone deserve a B. That's not including Jermichael Finley who is going to be a great TE and huge mismacth against us and I would say the Pukers beserve at least a B+. If I were grading them I think the last two drafts were between a B+ & A- IMO!
    Fist of all, like "JerBearLuvsDaVikes" said, Arron Rodgers was drafted in 2005, and A.J. Hawk was drafted in 2006.
    Secondly, I completely disagree with you. The Packers was lucky to be graded as the second best draft team in the NFC North.

    Lets summarize!
    2007 Packers draft class: The 1st round pick was DT Justin Harrell, in other words: Who? He has barely seen the field in three seasons. The 2nd round pick was Brandon Jackson who has done close to nothing. The rest of the picks were not exactly spectacular either, but at least they got something out of it with Korey hall, Mason Crosby, and James Jones.
    Grade: D

    2008 Packers draft class: No 1st round picks, but two second round picks that were used on WR Jordy Nelson and QB Brian Brohm. Brohm was released, and Nelson is just a backup. They got a steal in the 3rd round with Jermichael Finley, but there is nothing to write about after that.
    Grade: C (how can you even think about giving them a B+?)

    2009 Packers draft class: Two 1st round picks. Clay Matthews III is a great play-maker at the outside linebacker position, but I'm not convinced that DT B. J. Raji deserved to go in the top 10. OL T.J. Lang is still a project. This was definitely the Packers best draft class in the last three seasons, mostly because of Clay "fumble Forcer" Matthews.
    Grade: B

    My overall grade of the Packers last three drafts: C

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    JerBearLuvsDaVikes wrote:
    tarkenton10 wrote:
    HEY wrote:
    NFC North draft grades: Plenty of picks, poor production for Bears

    Minnesota: A
    Total picks made: 18
    Picks on current roster: 12
    Touchdowns: RB Adrian Peterson, WR Sidney Rice, WR Percy Harvin
    Fumbles: CB Marcus McCauley
    Jury still out: S Tyrell Johnson
    Not surprisingly, the Vikings received the highest grade and the other NFC teams have a lot to learn. The Packers received the second best grade, and they got a C :laugh: (suckers)
    I have a hard time believing the Fudgepackers get a C. If you go back to AR which is a steal at 23 or something like that. They got AJ Hawk who is an above ave. LB and last year they did very well in getting Matthews and Raji so just those guys alone deserve a B. That's not including Jermichael Finley who is going to be a great TE and huge mismacth against us and I would say the Pukers beserve at least a B+. If I were grading them I think the last two drafts were between a B+ & A- IMO!
    The article says last 3 years. Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005. That might be part of the problem...
    Yeah I know they said three years but if you look at TT and his draft choices he has built a pretty good team. I think his first real steal of the draft for him was Rogers that why I said if you go back to Rogers but even excluding him, they have gotten some good talent. I am not sure when they took Collins (2005) I forgot about him but he is a probowler even though it is not right around the that three year span they are talking aobut. GB has had some good drafts and they will be scarey if they get a quality LT to replace Tausher or Clifton I can't remember which one is the LT. And a 3-4 LB & CB, and there are some good LBs & CBs that can be had, it is a deep draft in those positions.I know in the last five years they drafted - Rogers & Collins(2005), Hawk, Jennings, & Jolly(2006), Finley (2008), Matthews & Raji (2009). So they have had some good drafts with only 2008 as the one class that was a little weak. But even in that class they did take Jordie Nelson who is a nice slot receiver and Matt Flynn a quality back up at QB so all in all they have been doing a nice job drafting IMO.

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    I have a hard time believing the Fudgepackers get a C. If you go back to AR which is a steal at 23 or something like that. They got AJ Hawk who is an above ave. LB and last year they did very well in getting Matthews and Raji so just those guys alone deserve a B. That's not including Jermichael Finley who is going to be a great TE and huge mismacth against us and I would say the Pukers beserve at least a B+. If I were grading them I think the last two drafts were between a B+ & A- IMO!
    Fist of all, like "JerBearLuvsDaVikes" said, Arron Rodgers was drafted in 2005, and A.J. Hawk was drafted in 2006.
    Secondly, I completely disagree with you. The Packers was lucky to be graded as the second best draft team in the NFC North.

    Lets summarize!
    2007 Packers draft class: The 1st round pick was DT Justin Harrell, in other words: Who? He has barely seen the field in three seasons. The 2nd round pick was Brandon Jackson who has done close to nothing. The rest of the picks were not exactly spectacular either, but at least they got something out of it with Korey hall, Mason Crosby, and James Jones.
    Grade: D

    Those two alone would get a D+ or C. I would love to have drafted Crosby.

    2008 Packers draft class: No 1st round picks, but two second round picks that were used on WR Jordy Nelson and QB Brian Brohm. Brohm was released, and Nelson is just a backup. They got a steal in the 3rd round with Jermichael Finley, but there is nothing to write about after that.
    Grade: C (how can you even think about giving them a B+?)

    Jordy is also a kick returner and has played slot with very good hands. But C sounds fair. Finley I am afriad will be a star! Matt Flynn by all acounts is a serviceable backup. C+ for me.

    2009 Packers draft class: Two 1st round picks. Clay Matthews III is a great play-maker at the outside linebacker position, but I'm not convinced that DT B. J. Raji deserved to go in the top 10. OL T.J. Lang is still a project. This was definitely the Packers best draft class in the last three seasons, mostly because of Clay "fumble Forcer" Matthews.
    Grade: B

    That may be but he is a very good player and came on at the end of the year. Lets put it this way if we had two picks in the first round and got Matthews at 7 and Raji at 25 would we be happy, hell yeah. So where they got them doesn't matter as much as the fact they got two very good players with those picks. that is how I look at it, not necessarily where you got them but are they starters (well, Raji is in the rotation). Raji probably didn't deserve to go that high but he still is by no means a bust either. T. J. is a very good prospect. I have a Puker friend who has said that T. J. is going to be a very good RT but will struggle at LT so you have probably int he next year or so another starter from this draft class.

    So a B is fine but with three starters and Mathhews I would rate this class a little higher B+

    My overall grade of the Packers last three drafts: C
    I can live with a C for the three years time flies for me but I have their five years of drafts blended together.

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    I have a hard time believing the Fudgepackers get a C. If you go back to AR which is a steal at 23 or something like that. They got AJ Hawk who is an above ave. LB and last year they did very well in getting Matthews and Raji so just those guys alone deserve a B. That's not including Jermichael Finley who is going to be a great TE and huge mismacth against us and I would say the Pukers beserve at least a B+. If I were grading them I think the last two drafts were between a B+ & A- IMO!
    Fist of all, like "JerBearLuvsDaVikes" said, Arron Rodgers was drafted in 2005, and A.J. Hawk was drafted in 2006.
    Secondly, I completely disagree with you. The Packers was lucky to be graded as the second best draft team in the NFC North.

    Lets summarize!
    2007 Packers draft class: The 1st round pick was DT Justin Harrell, in other words: Who? He has barely seen the field in three seasons. The 2nd round pick was Brandon Jackson who has done close to nothing. The rest of the picks were not exactly spectacular either, but at least they got something out of it with Korey hall, Mason Crosby, and James Jones.
    Grade: D

    Those two alone would get a D+ or C. I would love to have drafted Crosby.

    2008 Packers draft class: No 1st round picks, but two second round picks that were used on WR Jordy Nelson and QB Brian Brohm. Brohm was released, and Nelson is just a backup. They got a steal in the 3rd round with Jermichael Finley, but there is nothing to write about after that.
    Grade: C (how can you even think about giving them a B+?)

    Jordy is also a kick returner and has played slot with very good hands. But C sounds fair. Finley I am afriad will be a star! Matt Flynn by all acounts is a serviceable backup. C+ for me.

    2009 Packers draft class: Two 1st round picks. Clay Matthews III is a great play-maker at the outside linebacker position, but I'm not convinced that DT B. J. Raji deserved to go in the top 10. OL T.J. Lang is still a project. This was definitely the Packers best draft class in the last three seasons, mostly because of Clay "fumble Forcer" Matthews.
    Grade: B

    That may be but he is a very good player and came on at the end of the year. Lets put it this way if we had two picks in the first round and got Matthews at 7 and Raji at 25 would we be happy, hell yeah. So where they got them doesn't matter as much as the fact they got two very good players with those picks. that is how I look at it, not necessarily where you got them but are they starters (well, Raji is in the rotation). Raji probably didn't deserve to go that high but he still is by no means a bust either. T. J. is a very good prospect. I have a Puker friend who has said that T. J. is going to be a very good RT but will struggle at LT so you have probably int he next year or so another starter from this draft class.

    So a B is fine but with three possible starters and Mathhews one of them I would rate this class a little higher B+



    My overall grade of the Packers last three drafts: C
    I can live with a C for the three years time flies for me but I have their five years of drafts blended together.[/quote]

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    I actually graded these, as well, after reading this article on the Packers forum I post at.

    I don't really disagree with Bucky's grade.

    2007

    1 - 16 - Justin Harrell - I love the pick. Had he stayed healthy, he would've been a steal at 16. So much potential. It's just that, you take a risk and it doesn't turn out, it's a bad pick. E
    2 - 63 - Brandon Jackson - Truly underrated as a complete 3rd down back. He can receive, block and run a screen with the best of them. He's injured quite often, though. B-
    3 - 78 - James Jones - I love the kid. It never hurts to have a bigger receiver on your team. One you can just throw the ball to and he'll go up and get it. The production doesn't match the potential, though, which is what holds this pick back from being an A-B. B-
    3 - 89 - Aaron Rouse - He looked like someone who could be the starter opposite of Collins and had a huge fanbase... Untill he actually had to take the field and everyone saw how stiff and mediocre he was. D
    4 - 119 - Allen Barbre - What an athletecism and potential for a tackle... Too bad he's awfull once gets onto the field. Maybe he'll fare better as a guard, but I seriously doubt that. D
    5 - 157 - David Clowney - He never actually played a game for the Packers. Got signed by the Jets in his rookie season. That's pretty much a wasted pick. F
    6 - 191 - Korey Hall - Solid contributer. I think that he'll be gone this year, but we got some decent years out of him. [b]C+[/]
    6 - 192 - Desmond Bishop - Good back-up. Plays with intensity. A lot of people actually want him to start. I'm not that high on him, but he surely was a good pick for a 6th round ILB. B
    6 - 193 - Mason Crosby - Crosby has been pretty decent. He had a horrible slump this year, missing one kick after another, but he has been solid and has a huge leg. B-
    7 - 228 - DeShawn Wynn - He keeps coming out as the best RB on the roster after training camp. And he keeps getting injured right after that. If it wasn't for his constant injuries, he might've gotten an A grade, but I guess we'll never know. Still solid for a 7th rounder. B
    7 - 243 - Clark Harris - Clark who? He didn't make the roster, either. Got signed by the Lions his rookie season. He still hasn't made a catch, but he did play in his first game last year. I'll cut TT some slack, because the kid's a late 7th rounder and he's actually still in the league. C-

    I can't give Ted a whole lot more than a D+ for this draft. If James starts playing up to his potential, Wynn and Jackon suddenly stay healthy, Barbre learns to block someone and/or Bishop is the godly player some people think he is, this grade might go up a little. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

    2008

    2 - 36 - Jordy Nelson - Jordy had a pretty promising rookie season. He didn't look quite that good after he got injured this year, though. The jury is still out on him. I'll just give him a grade for now. C
    2 - 56 - Brian Brohm - The product of a Louisville system that was build around him. He had everyone fooled, including a lot of GB fans. E-
    2 - 60 - Pat Lee - We really don't know a whole lot about Lee. He played sparringly last year and didn't play at all this year, due to injuries. Very physical guy and it's a question what he can do in zone. C-
    3 - 91 - Jermichael Finley - What a freak of nature. Throw a ball in his area and he'll catch it. Most of the time, he'll be wide open, anyway, but if he has to, he'll just pluck it away from defenders. Doesn't matter if their safeties, LBs or CBs. He's a match-up nightmare. He has to work on his blocking, but that's all. For a late 3rd rounder, this is an amazing pick. A+
    4 - 102 - Jeremy Thompson - I really thought that Thompson could do something special. He still might, but after an unimpressive rookie season and missing the entire 2009 season, his future remains uncertain. C-
    4 - 135 - Josh Sitton - What a steal. Sitton's horribly underrated. Mainly because no one actually notices guard play. He played on a Pro Bowl level this season. A
    5 - 150 - Breno Giacomini - Breno's trying to break the record for most inactives on gameday. He's been on the roster for 2 years and hasn't really done anything. D-
    7 - 209 - Matt Flynn - He has looked pretty good in pre-season. He didn't look to good when he got some time in the regular season, though. For a 7th rounder, I've been pleasently surprised. Just remember that Rodgers looked pretty bad in his first 2 season. B
    7 - 217 - Brett Swain - He looked like a special teams ace at the start of the season. He made some very smart and good plays before he blew his knee out. Good production for a 7th rounder. B

    I think that this draft was pretty succesfull. People often look at your first pick and, at first sight, Nelson - Brohm - Lee doesn't look too impressive. Nelson and Lee have a make or break year coming up. If you look a little further, you see the gems in this draft in Finley, Sitton and maybe even Flynn and Swain.

    Right now, I'll give it a B-

    2009

    1 - 9 - B.J. Raji - Some people are down on him because he couldn't beat Pickett. Problem is, Pickett has been amazing and horribly underrated. I truly believe that we have the best NT tandem in the league. Just look at the times that Raji is on the field. Every 3rd play he'll make some kind of impact play. Can't really give him a high grade yet, though. B
    1 - 26 - Clay Matthews - What a steal. I was a little worried when we traded up for him, I was scared that he might've been more of a 1 year wonder. Man, was I wrong. I would love to see him bulk up and add some moves to get to the QB, instead of relying on purely speed and a high motor. He's one promising prospect, though. A
    4 - 109 - T.J. Lang - Looks like the real deal. He actually held his own against some good pass rushers. I believe that he's our future at RT. B+
    5 - 145 - Quinn Johnson - An absolutely punishing run blocker. He isn't as polished in the passing game, though. I think that he'll make the roster this year and should be a force to be reckoned with. C+
    5 - 162 - Jamon Meredith - We passed on Duke Robinson, who had a 2nd round grade, to draft Meredith. Then we put him on the PS and let the Bills take him from us. F
    6 - 182 - Jarius Wynn - Really not that much to say about Wynn. He wasn't impactful when on the field, but he didn't make any dumb mistakes, either. I really don't know what kind of grade to give this kid. ?
    6 - 187 - Brandon Underwood - He was raw this year. As expected from a 6th rounder. I really think that he has some potential, though. I think that he might come out as the dime CB this year behind Woodson, Harris and Williams. If he can add some muscle to that lanky frame, he might be playing in GB for a long time. Maybe even as a starter, eventually. B
    7 - 218 - Brad Jones - Jones made a huge impact this year. Especially for a 7th rounder. He lost at the point of attack pretty often, but he has some room to bulk up, get a little stronger and really become a force in the pass rushing department. An absolute steal in the 7th round. A+

    You can't really grade last years draft yet. If I'd have to give it a grade, though, it'd be a A-. When we look back at this draft in a year or 4, I think that that grade might've become an A+.
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