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    Re:Issac Bruce to retire a Ram

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    Hot + Bruce = Proof that WR's can carry a QB.
    hmm... so Kurt Warner is no good theN?
    Even though I liked what Warner did with the Rams as well as the Cards, one has to then step back and ask what happened to him when he was on the Giants?

    In short, you give a QB cats like Fitz/Bolden or Bruce/Holt, and a QB can look very very very good.
    like you can hold that against him.

    9 games, 2000 yards and 6 TD's and an 86 QB rating, all with a terrible, terrible OL.

    He actually didn't do THAT bad considering. over the course of a full season, that would translate to roughly 3600 yards.

    Thats what happens when you put an old, immobile guy behind a terrible line.
    Could that rationale be applied to a young inexperience QB behind a terrible OL? :huh:

    Banish the thought.
    if it were an isolated, one time thing? Sure. I have a feeling the young inexperienced QB you refer to had many chances to succeed and didn't.

    Warner Has played great more times than not, and was even acceptable behind a terrible OL with Toomer as his primary weapon.
    I love the "He had many chances" line. You must think the Vikes were full up round and ready to go when it was gutted then to. LOL.

    As to Warner. He dissapeared when he left the Rams and was anything but acceptable.
    bullshit. As caine pointed out, every other QB we've signed, all of whom have been terrible have been able to out-perform TJ with the exact same team around them.
    So you would rather have Holcomb, Brooks, and BJ over TJ? Bullshit my ass.

    No QB, except the Noodle, has been able to run this offense. Hell, BJ was a SB winning QB and he wasn't even allowed to audible.
    You don't think maybe thats a bit indicitave of the coach? I don't think that the offense was too complex for BJ to understand. He ran a WCO for quite a while.
    But back to your Warner Logic. I guess taht means that Moss is crap right? Sinc ehe 'disappeared' in oakland. Or that Jerry Rice is nothing special, since he 'disappeared' in Seattle
    Moss protected himself until he could get out of Oakland. Jerry was done when he moved on.
    Whats that you say to me... right.

    ...Excuses :P
    Do receivers make a QB look better? Absolutely, you'd be stupid to think otherwise, but Warner is not solely a product of the system. The reason he couldn't make New York into contenders is becausee that whole team sucked. You can add a guy like Warner who can give players opportunities, but if they can't take advantage, it kinda limits what they can do.
    Wait a minute, are you now trying to say that a HOF QB can't make the players around him better?

    Face it, the Rams and Cards recievers made him better, he didn't make them better.
    Hmm, I'm interested to see how Fitzgerald does with Lienart then.
    Especially since Bolden is gone.....
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    Re:Issac Bruce to retire a Ram

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    Hot + Bruce = Proof that WR's can carry a QB.
    hmm... so Kurt Warner is no good theN?
    Even though I liked what Warner did with the Rams as well as the Cards, one has to then step back and ask what happened to him when he was on the Giants?

    In short, you give a QB cats like Fitz/Bolden or Bruce/Holt, and a QB can look very very very good.
    like you can hold that against him.

    9 games, 2000 yards and 6 TD's and an 86 QB rating, all with a terrible, terrible OL.

    He actually didn't do THAT bad considering. over the course of a full season, that would translate to roughly 3600 yards.

    Thats what happens when you put an old, immobile guy behind a terrible line.
    Could that rationale be applied to a young inexperience QB behind a terrible OL? :huh:

    Banish the thought.
    if it were an isolated, one time thing? Sure. I have a feeling the young inexperienced QB you refer to had many chances to succeed and didn't.

    Warner Has played great more times than not, and was even acceptable behind a terrible OL with Toomer as his primary weapon.
    I love the "He had many chances" line. You must think the Vikes were full up round and ready to go when it was gutted then to. LOL.

    As to Warner. He dissapeared when he left the Rams and was anything but acceptable.
    bullshit. As caine pointed out, every other QB we've signed, all of whom have been terrible have been able to out-perform TJ with the exact same team around them.
    So you would rather have Holcomb, Brooks, and BJ over TJ? Bullshit my ass.

    No QB, except the Noodle, has been able to run this offense. Hell, BJ was a SB winning QB and he wasn't even allowed to audible.
    You don't think maybe thats a bit indicitave of the coach? I don't think that the offense was too complex for BJ to understand. He ran a WCO for quite a while.
    But back to your Warner Logic. I guess taht means that Moss is crap right? Sinc ehe 'disappeared' in oakland. Or that Jerry Rice is nothing special, since he 'disappeared' in Seattle
    Moss protected himself until he could get out of Oakland. Jerry was done when he moved on.
    Whats that you say to me... right.

    ...Excuses :P
    Do receivers make a QB look better? Absolutely, you'd be stupid to think otherwise, but Warner is not solely a product of the system. The reason he couldn't make New York into contenders is becausee that whole team sucked. You can add a guy like Warner who can give players opportunities, but if they can't take advantage, it kinda limits what they can do.
    Wait a minute, are you now trying to say that a HOF QB can't make the players around him better?

    Face it, the Rams and Cards recievers made him better, he didn't make them better.
    Hmm, I'm interested to see how Fitzgerald does with Lienart then.
    Especially since Bolden is gone.....
    excuses
    So now your gonna tell me that a Fitz/Breaston combo is better than a Fitz/Bolden combo? :dry:

    I bet if you ask DA or ML they would say they would rather have the WR's that made Warner look good.
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    Re:Issac Bruce to retire a Ram

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    I bet if you ask DA or ML they would say they would rather have the WR's that made Warner look good.
    I bet if you ask them they'd say no such thing, because pro athletes rarely, if ever, say anything interesting or controversial.

    And the presumption that they made Warner look good rather than the other way around is interesting.

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    Warner + Holt + Bruce + Faulk are all going to the hall of fame and are all the reason each was so good. Each was most successful when they were with each other on the greatest show on turf. I think Faulk was the best of the group actually.

    But since this thread is about Bruce...

    He is going to the HoF for sure, but most likely not first ballot. He had a fantastic career and is a true great of our generation,
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    Re:Issac Bruce to retire a Ram

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    I bet if you ask DA or ML they would say they would rather have the WR's that made Warner look good.
    I bet if you ask them they'd say no such thing, because pro athletes rarely, if ever, say anything interesting or controversial.

    And the presumption that they made Warner look good rather than the other way around is interesting.

    =Z=
    I'm not trying to take anything from Warner. He plays pretty damn good with a good supporting cast. When he doesn't have that, well, you saw what he did as a Giant.
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    Re:Issac Bruce to retire a Ram

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    I bet if you ask DA or ML they would say they would rather have the WR's that made Warner look good.
    I bet if you ask them they'd say no such thing, because pro athletes rarely, if ever, say anything interesting or controversial.

    And the presumption that they made Warner look good rather than the other way around is interesting.

    =Z=
    I'm not trying to take anything from Warner. He plays pretty damn good with a good supporting cast. When he doesn't have that, well, you saw what he did as a Giant.
    Steve Young with the bucs: 2200 yards, 8 TD's 13 int's, 62 rating

    Guess he needs a supporting cast to be worth a damn right?

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    Re:Issac Bruce to retire a Ram

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    Marrdro wrote:
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    I bet if you ask DA or ML they would say they would rather have the WR's that made Warner look good.
    I bet if you ask them they'd say no such thing, because pro athletes rarely, if ever, say anything interesting or controversial.

    And the presumption that they made Warner look good rather than the other way around is interesting.

    =Z=
    I'm not trying to take anything from Warner. He plays pretty damn good with a good supporting cast. When he doesn't have that, well, you saw what he did as a Giant.
    Steve Young with the bucs: 2200 yards, 8 TD's 13 int's, 62 rating

    Guess he needs a supporting cast to be worth a damn right?
    Nope, classic example of a team giving up on a QB before he was ready.
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    Re:Issac Bruce to retire a Ram

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    I bet if you ask DA or ML they would say they would rather have the WR's that made Warner look good.
    I bet if you ask them they'd say no such thing, because pro athletes rarely, if ever, say anything interesting or controversial.

    And the presumption that they made Warner look good rather than the other way around is interesting.

    =Z=
    I'm not trying to take anything from Warner. He plays pretty damn good with a good supporting cast. When he doesn't have that, well, you saw what he did as a Giant.
    Steve Young with the bucs: 2200 yards, 8 TD's 13 int's, 62 rating

    Guess he needs a supporting cast to be worth a damn right?
    Nope, classic example of a team giving up on a QB before he was ready.
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