Thread: IF Ponder truly isn't our guy..
11-29-2012, 08:35 PM #11Starter
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12-03-2012, 08:14 PM #12
We should sign Alex Smith. What we need is a QB that can make the throws. Smith is as Athletic as Ponder and has done more with less than our Corp.
12-03-2012, 08:36 PM #13
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Sorry Rick! Keep up the good work.
12-04-2012, 09:37 AM #14Starter
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Name them. I see no toughness.He's a weak minded thin skinned failure
Strong drive and determination. Will battle through injuries and play through pain. Sells play-action hard.
He's terrible at selling the play action. He's got the best running back in football and his play action fools no one.
Gets rid of the ball quickly with good timing.
Bullshit.... he holds the ball every snap and never throws the ball on time
Moves well outside the pocket and can extend plays with his feet. Has a gamer mentality with the moxie and grit to command a huddle and win respect in the locker room.
Was he commanding the huddle during that 38 minutes he did not complete oin fuking pass? Gamer? I saw no game.
Shrugs off adversity, responds well in pressure situations and performed well at the Senior Bowl. Has a confident, composed on-field temperament and can rally a team from behind. Very natural leader.
Shrugs off adversity? More like collapses with adversity. He has zero confidence, and has zero composure in the pocket, and can't rally shit from shinola.
Negatives: Throwing elbow must be evaluated carefully - arm strength was limited prior to the injury, and accuracy wanes down the field. Average decision maker - takes unnecessary risks trying to make plays and lacks the velocity to squeeze the ball into coverage. Makes some bad reads and head-scratching decisions. Puts a lot of arc on the ball and often underthrows deep receivers - cannot cut it loose through the wind. Struggles gauging his own arm and touch. Regressed following the promotion of Jimbo Fisher to head coach (and is best with a technical position coach). Could not finish the season the last two years because of durability issues.
These are ALL DEAD ON...
Summary: An athletic, dink-and-dunk, West Coast passer who has been snake-bitten by injuries, Ponder has everything teams could want intangibly in a quarterback - intelligence, toughness, competitiveness and leadership qualities. However, his physical limitations will always leave teams wanting more QUOTE OF THE DAY and invite injury. Has the poise and confidence desired in a backup with potential to eventually become a good, not great, starter.
HE'S NOT EVEN BACK UP MATERIAL...
12-04-2012, 12:02 PM #15
I am certainly not sold on Ponder, couldn't believe we drafted him. But I think we're stuck with him for at least another year.
12-04-2012, 12:09 PM #16
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MUSGRAVE MUST GO! No ifs, ands or butts about it. He's terrible. He needs to be run out of town. He's doing a terrible job with Ponder, he's doing a terrible job calling plays that suit our players. We have a supposed deep threat in Simpson, but you don't need to be a genius to know he does one of two things, he'll run a fade, or a slant. Doesn't seem like we ever throw anything different his way. Fade or Slant. Have to utilize him differently.
12-04-2012, 12:32 PM #17
Dalton has the benefit of having a receiver that has the ability to do a couple of key things. Seperate and catch. Yes, I am saying our receivers as a whole do not possess those two skills.
I am not saying Ponder is the answer. He is certainly part of the problem. However, watch the receivers. When are they open? Not very often. Yes, Ponder missed AP and had a bad toss to Rudulph. Lots of great QB/WR combinations over the years have had receptions that made you wonder.
Was Culpepper a great QB, or did he have great WR's? Culpepper could through the ball anywhere he wanted and The Freak would go up and catch it. Double coverage...triple coverage...overthrown....underthrown.
Watch Favre's 5 TD performance the Monday night his dad passed away. I dont't think he threw a single accurate ball, but his receivers made him look unbeatable that night.
I am willing to give Ponder another year, but we better put some receivers on this team to help out.
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12-04-2012, 03:46 PM #19
Just watching Brandon Marshall with Cutler shows how much a receiver can help his QB. That guy beat us multiple times with two guys draped all over him. It wasn't anything magical by Cutler, it was all Marshall. Megatron the same thing. GB has a handful of receivers that make plays as well, but Rogers helps greatly in their case.
If Stafford or Cutler was starting for the Vikings, I'm not sure we would be happy with those results either. We would just know that they are proven QB's so we could shift the blame more easily onto others.
I would also like to add that when you watch a QB light up a defense, it is generally a thing of beauty. The rare times the tv coverage shows the camera angle from the QB's view, you realize how precise those throws are and how close any given pass is to be being a failure. Good QB's have a ton of confidence in themselves and their receivers. Right now we have neither and I highly doubt that throwing into tight coverage is going to be the path to our passing improvements.
For a completely polar approach to MN, look at what Indy is doing with Luck. This is a guy that nobody has a shred of doubt about his abilities. So they arrange the team around him. They have him chuck the ball up 40-50 times a game. If he screws up and throws a few INT's, so what, keep chucking it around. Repetition makes you better, he is on an accelerated developmental stage with nothing to lose. The team had no expectations and it's all about developing Luck to be their next Peyton. In MN, we treat Ponder with kid gloves, hoping that the rest of the team can carry us while he figures it out. Game manage, don't lose it. If we get way behind, then we will open things up and let him loose a bit. If Luck had come to MN, I'm not so sure we would have treated him much differently.
12-05-2012, 11:20 AM #20