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    Holding out.

    This offseason I've really been wondering if holding out can be justified. At first, I was completely against it but over time I've started to sort of agree with it. It's a true that a player should be loyal but look at it, a team isn't loyal to a player in most cases. If a player has a really bad injury, he can be dropped. If he underperforms he won't be paid. But if a player out performs his contract then he doesn't get more money? It doesn't make much since that player's career and life is in complete control by the team he plays for.

    In the case of Terrell Owens, I'm starting to side with Owens. Yes, I know that T.O. does have a very bad reputation but he is a top reciever in the game and is EXTREMELY underpaid if you examine contracts around the league.

    It's also true that there is cases around the league where players are holding out and they don't really have anything to hold out for.

    I guess what I'm saying is, from now on when I see a player holding out, I'm going to look at how they're performing and what their contract is rather than automatically assuming that the guy is a jerk.
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    Re: Holding out.

    I don't always side with the player or not, but I do side with the people who say they should be in camp. I mean, it is one thing to make a point, but once you hurt the team then you lose respect. Bottom line is it is about the money and we know you are going to play before you sit out and make nothing, so frickin get your a$$ into camp.
    As for Owens, he signed a SEVEN-YEAR deal in the prime of his career, can't complain now, at least Walker came out of nowhere and is worth more than he is making, Owens knew what he was worth last year and changing his mind this year is purely selfish.

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    Re: Holding out.

    Yea, it sort of seems like Owens was just trying to land on a good team anyway it took and now he's trying to get the money now that he would've liked to of got last year when he signed the contract.

    But I still wish there was some way that a player couldn't be cut at anytime and not get the money he signed the contract for. Just seems wrong that the teams and can do that to players and the players have no way to retaliate.
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    Re: Holding out.

    "Vikes2611" wrote:
    Yea, it sort of seems like Owens was just trying to land on a good team anyway it took and now he's trying to get the money now that he would've liked to of got last year when he signed the contract.

    But I still wish there was some way that a player couldn't be cut at anytime and not get the money he signed the contract for. Just seems wrong that the teams and can do that to players and the players have no way to retaliate.
    That is what the HUGE signing bonuses are designed to protect against...plus the large backend numbers on most contracts are designed to never be reached...just there for the player's ego!
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    Re: Holding out.

    Yes, signing bonuses are good for situations like this but lets say a player has a career ending injury the day after he signs a contract. The team cuts him and sure he brings in the bonus he got but that bonus is most likely a far reach from the agreement the team and player made on the amount of money to be payed.
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    Re: Holding out.

    holding out annoys me. especially when a player makes a point not to play or practice even into a season. like McKardel last year. i have a feeling TO will sit out until the last possible moment. maybe 2 days before the first reg season game. TO is worth a lot to the eagles, not only as a player but as a money maker.

    some players do deserve more, but the only ones i agree with are the ones barely making over the league minimum. i think brian williams is being a baby--he is holding out more out of spite than the money. he lost his starting job--i'd be pissed too, but wait till next year and move on.

    Chavous, i just don't understand. he just wants more money. he is making over a mil a year to play a game and he is not even a franchise player that 30 million fans buy his jersey. if you ask a texan or a carolina fan about chavous, they would think that you were talking about an english butler...oh, wait...that's jeeves. anyway, i want him and bwill to play dearly, but they need to get there priorities straight. we can win a superbowl with them and probably without them...the same goes for losing.

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    Re: Holding out.

    I definetly see both sides. People talk about how the players shouldn't have to honor the contract if the team doesn't, but I can't side with this. First of all, two wrongs don't make a right. Secondly, the chance that any NFL player could be cut at any time makes players play much harder.
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    Re: Holding out.

    "Vikes2611" wrote:
    Yes, signing bonuses are good for situations like this but lets say a player has a career ending injury the day after he signs a contract. The team cuts him and sure he brings in the bonus he got but that bonus is most likely a far reach from the agreement the team and player made on the amount of money to be payed.
    So you wanna pay a player who doesn't even play a down for the team...not very fair for the team...they pay a bunch of money and don't get a thing for that money...yeah, that is really fair!
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    Re: Holding out.

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "Vikes2611" wrote:
    Yes, signing bonuses are good for situations like this but lets say a player has a career ending injury the day after he signs a contract. The team cuts him and sure he brings in the bonus he got but that bonus is most likely a far reach from the agreement the team and player made on the amount of money to be payed.
    So you wanna pay a player who doesn't even play a down for the team...not very fair for the team...they pay a bunch of money and don't get a thing for that money...yeah, that is really fair!
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    i agree with that completely.

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