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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    "Zeus" wrote:
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    I am going with Favre, because he has elevated team play over last year.

    The Saints and Colts, along with Manning and Brees, were both solid teams last year.
    Last year, the Vikings were 10-6 and won the division.
    The Saints were 8-8 and missed the playoffs.
    By your reasoning, it has to be Brees.

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    True....but the Saints were 8-8 not becuase of Brees, but because of a weak defense.

    As I said, I think it could be any of the 3...but I am leaning towards Favre.
    He has made the biggest difference to any of the 3 teams

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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    Would any of those teams be in the same spot without their quarterbacks. No. Not even close.
    But which team would be the closest to the same position? I would say we would be. That's why I voted for manning.
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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    I would say Favre simply because he's the X factor of the group that seems to have powered the Vikings so far this season.
    Then again Drew Brees is a freak of nature and doing alot of good stuff down in New Orleans.
    I think either one would be an except-able answer.

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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    Anyone who knows anything knows that he is winning with a shell of a team.
    Just take a look at his playmakers compared to the other 2 chuckleheads.
    Mix in he has a new HC just to muddy up the waters and your vote would have to go to Manning.

    Manning
    Leading rusher (Addai) has 336 yards.
    Recievers are
    Player






    Rec
    Yds


    Reggie Wayne

    51 689

    Dallas Clark


    46 584

    Austin Collie


    30 330

    Joseph Addai


    29 160

    Pierre Garcon

    18 293

    Number 4
    Leading rusher (AD) has 784 yards.
    Player








    Rec
    Yds

    Sidney Rice




    37 585

    Percy Harvin




    28 369

    Bernard Berrian

    27 299

    Chester Taylor


    24 209

    Visanthe Shiancoe
    22 203

    Adrian Peterson

    19 189

    Naufahu Tahi




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    53 (Had to put him in there
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    Brees
    Both Pierre Thomas (405 yds) and Mike (392) yards smoke Addai.
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    Yds


    Marques Colston 7 36 551

    Jeremy Shockey 7 31 376

    Devery Henderson 7 23 358

    Robert Meachem 7 8 198

    Reggie Bush 7 20 155

    Lance Moore 6 13 146


    Long story short, I wonder what Manning would do with the weapons on offense, to include New Orleans and MN offensive lines, as well as the defenses we both field.
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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Anyone who knows anything knows that he is winning with a shell of a team.
    Just take a look at his playmakers compared to the other 2 chuckleheads.
    Mix in he has a new HC just to muddy up the waters and your vote would have to go to Manning.

    Manning
    Leading rusher (Addai) has 336 yards.
    Recievers are
    Player







    Rec
    Yds



    Reggie Wayne

    51 689

    Dallas Clark



    46 584


    Austin Collie



    30 330


    Joseph Addai


    29 160


    Pierre Garcon


    18 293

    Number 4
    Leading rusher (AD) has 784 yards.
    Player








    Rec
    Yds

    Sidney Rice





    37 585


    Percy Harvin




    28 369


    Bernard Berrian


    27 299


    Chester Taylor



    24 209


    Visanthe Shiancoe
    22 203

    Adrian Peterson


    19 189


    Naufahu Tahi




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    53 (Had to put him in there
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    Brees
    Both Pierre Thomas (405 yds) and Mike (392) yards smoke Addai.
    Player







    Rec
    Yds



    Marques Colston 7 36 551

    Jeremy Shockey 7 31 376

    Devery Henderson 7 23 358


    Robert Meachem 7 8 198


    Reggie Bush 7 20 155

    Lance Moore 6 13 146


    Long story short, I wonder what Manning would do with the weapons on offense, to include New Orleans and MN offensive lines, as well as the defenses we both field.

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    Kind of a bum comparison don't you think?
    Especially when you're talking about offensive lines?
    How many times do you think Manning has been sacked in seven games?
    5 times.
    That's less than one sack a game.
    Now "Number 4" has been sacked 18 times in 8 games.
    I mean just imagine what "Number 4" could do with that kind of offensive line.
    Granted I do agree that AP is a nice bonus for any QB to have but that doesn't mean Brett Favre just gets all the easy passes.
    This offense has been firing on all cylinders since Favre has set foot on the field, there is no arguing that point.
    That and you're talking about defenses?
    I mean granted the Vikings are still very good in the Red Zone but it hasn't exactly been a stellar performance so far this year compared to previous years for are run defense, or our notoriously sloppy pass defense the last bunch of years.
    Plus i mean the Colts are averaging 30 less yards a game running the ball compared to minnesota overall, worse yes, end of the world no.


    Also that poor Colts defense is giving up 13 points a game which is best in the NFL.
    So maybe they don't want the defense we field huh?


    Not to mention the argument you're making for all those offensive "weapons".
    Minnesota does have AP, but are other weapons have been very questionable when we had certain other QBs under center.
    I mean Rice wasn't exactly tearing it up.
    I'm guessing Manning probably would like to stick with the weapons he has, and the same could be said for Drew Brees.


    I don't know, an argument can be made possibly that Favre is on easy street, but you know what?
    Manning and Brees aren't exactly stuck with rift raff, and in some places are better than the Vikings.
    So just food for thought huh.

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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    "Schutz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Anyone who knows anything knows that he is winning with a shell of a team.
    Just take a look at his playmakers compared to the other 2 chuckleheads.
    Mix in he has a new HC just to muddy up the waters and your vote would have to go to Manning.

    Manning
    Leading rusher (Addai) has 336 yards.
    Recievers are
    Player







    Rec
    Yds



    Reggie Wayne

    51 689

    Dallas Clark



    46 584


    Austin Collie



    30 330


    Joseph Addai


    29 160


    Pierre Garcon


    18 293

    Number 4
    Leading rusher (AD) has 784 yards.
    Player








    Rec
    Yds

    Sidney Rice





    37 585


    Percy Harvin




    28 369


    Bernard Berrian


    27 299


    Chester Taylor



    24 209


    Visanthe Shiancoe
    22 203

    Adrian Peterson


    19 189


    Naufahu Tahi




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    53 (Had to put him in there
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    Brees
    Both Pierre Thomas (405 yds) and Mike (392) yards smoke Addai.
    Player







    Rec
    Yds



    Marques Colston 7 36 551

    Jeremy Shockey 7 31 376

    Devery Henderson 7 23 358


    Robert Meachem 7 8 198


    Reggie Bush 7 20 155

    Lance Moore 6 13 146


    Long story short, I wonder what Manning would do with the weapons on offense, to include New Orleans and MN offensive lines, as well as the defenses we both field.

    :



    Kind of a bum comparison don't you think?
    Especially when you're talking about offensive lines?
    How many times do you think Manning has been sacked in seven games?
    5 times.
    That's less than one sack a game.
    Now "Number 4" has been sacked 18 times in 8 games.
    I mean just imagine what "Number 4" could do with that kind of offensive line.
    Granted I do agree that AP is a nice bonus for any QB to have but that doesn't mean Brett Favre just gets all the easy passes.
    This offense has been firing on all cylinders since Favre has set foot on the field, there is no arguing that point.
    That and you're talking about defenses?
    I mean granted the Vikings are still very good in the Red Zone but it hasn't exactly been a stellar performance so far this year compared to previous years for are run defense, or our notoriously sloppy pass defense the last bunch of years.
    Plus i mean the Colts are averaging 30 less yards a game running the ball compared to minnesota overall, worse yes, end of the world no.


    Also that poor Colts defense is giving up 13 points a game which is best in the NFL.
    So maybe they don't want the defense we field huh?


    Not to mention the argument you're making for all those offensive "weapons".
    Minnesota does have AP, but are other weapons have been very questionable when we had certain other QBs under center.
    I mean Rice wasn't exactly tearing it up.
    I'm guessing Manning probably would like to stick with the weapons he has, and the same could be said for Drew Brees.


    I don't know, an argument can be made possibly that Favre is on easy street, but you know what?
    Manning and Brees aren't exactly stuck with rift raff, and in some places are better than the Vikings.
    So just food for thought huh.
    Some very good points.....

    Some would argue that he is getting sacked because he does hold the ball a bit to long.
    When I watch the games, he definately has time to get rid of the ball in almost all instances.

    Is El Syd finally emerging?
    Yes, but he probably would have had a better year last year if he would have been healthy.
    It isn't like he was chopped liver his first year.
    In fact, his yards per catch average is just slightly better this year than his first year.
    2007 MIN 13 31 396 12.8 60 4 25 0 0
    2008 MIN 13 15 141 9.4 23 4 12 0 0
    2009 MIN 8 37 585 [size=10pt]15.8[/size] 63 2 24 0 0
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    I think he is looking better this year, not cause our QB is making him look better, but rather our QB is willing to throw the ball to him.
    El Syd is just catching anything and everything that gets close to him.

    Also that poor Colts defense is giving up 13 points a game which is best in the NFL.
    So maybe they don't want the defense we field huh?
    I almost have to give that one to you though.
    Didn't realize they were doing that good without Bob even though I have Bethea on one of my FF leagues.

    Still gonna give it to Peyton though.
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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    The biased part of me wants to choose Favre but I do have a reason to back it up.

    Manning has a great front line and their offense has been good for many years.
    They are always at the top of the list as far as offense is concerned.
    Manning has always had a good cast around him.
    Edge for years.
    Addai is proven and would be better with more reps.
    Harrison, Wayne, Gonzalez, Clark.
    I know Harrison is no longer there and Gonzalez has been hurt but Manning still plugs away regardless of who is there.

    Brees also has a decent front line and their offense has been good since he arrived as well.
    Didn't always have the running capability but if you think about it no one there is new.
    Mike Bell joined their team late last year I think but Bush and Thomas were both their last year along with Deuce.
    The first year he had Bush and Deuce.
    Brees makes his WRs better.
    Let's not forget about having a good TE in Shockey.

    Favre comes to an underachieving team. Berrian had loads of potential but was never seen as that #1 guy.
    Rice has great hands but has under-achieved.
    Harvin is a rookie learning the league and a system.
    They lost what many argue was their best WR in Wade.
    I don't agree but numbers show he had the most receptions so one can argue.

    Unlike Manning and Brees, Favre is working with no true #1 WR.
    Brees has that in Colston and Manning has that in Wayne.
    Brees and Manning both have proven TEs and Shiancoe, although he had a decent season last year, he is more recognized now.
    Rice is finally getting to his potential because of Favre.
    By the way he is on pace to have over 1,000 yards receiving this year.
    AP is AP but is actually hat having the same year he had last year.
    That may be attributed to not having as many reps because the offense is more balanced now.

    You can make a case for each QB.
    Like people have said the 3 are close in a lot of categories.
    I couldn't complain either way if someone were to choose a mid-season MVP.
    But imo Favre is making this offense a lot better than what it was whereas the other 2 QBs are keeping pace to where they were last year for the most part.
    In other words no real significant changes.
    All 3 are great QBs and deserve mentioning.
    Let's not also forget that the Saints may be outscoring the Vikings however, their defense has put up points for them too which ours have not.
    STs have scored 2 TDs but other than that the defense hasn't scored much.
    I think Sharper in himself has scored more than the entire Viking defense this year.

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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    "shockzilla" wrote:
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    I think 1/2 way through it has to be Favre and here is exactly why.

    Prior to this season Favre was a gunslinger who threw tons of TDs but also threw a ton of INTS.
    The Vikings needed a capable QB who could also take care of the ball.
    While that was not in Favre's nature, he has modified his game and guiding the vikes passing game to heights not seen in recent memory.
    He made the best play of the season with a miracle pass that won a game and he saved us from losing the baltimore one.
    Teams have been locking down on AD liked never before and yet because of Favre we are producing greater number on O.
    Favre was willing to adjust his game (the gunslinger habit he had for all previous seasons) and is truly the MVP this season so far.
    He even accomplished his mission of beating the packers (2 great division wins).

    Favre is putting similar numbers to Peyton and Brees despite this being his 1st year in purple and he has plenty of more years on him.
    I voted for Favre, for all the reasons you cited.
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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    If the MVP is chosen only on stats, then it might go to Manning, but isn't it really chosen on which player adds the most value to their team and the NFL as a whole?

    It's hard to gauge what influance Manning has on the Colts as he's started every game since coming into the league and in his early years the Colts weren't so great until Dungy showed up.
    Also, it's not really a coaching change given it's still Dungy's system and coached players.
    So you gotta question is it Manning or the Dungy's system?

    Bree's and Payton joined the Saints in 2006 and haven't really done anything together, although Brees has great stats.
    This year difference is the improved D, not Brees.

    Favre has taken a lack luster offense that was ruled by the rush to a confident passing game and has brought the whole offense to a new level.
    I predict that D's will start to worry about Favre in the 2nd half and give AD more room to run.
    Favre was a missing piece that has had significant affect on the Vikes confidence and ability to win.
    Also, having Favre in the league has increased ratings and excitement, especially since the Brady poster boy isn't shining.

    IMO, Favre has had the Most Value to the Vikes and the League.
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    Re: Halfway through the season, who is the MVP?

    I'm going with brees. Both the Colts and Vikings were playoff teams last year. The Vikings won 7 of there final 9 regular season games. Point is we were a playoff team without Favre, great QB play is not as valuable to us because we have a great running game and defense.

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