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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
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    really? He averages 20 carries a game. In the past two seasons he's averaged 21, and then take into account we've turned into more of a passing team with Favre than running team. He also had almost the same amount of receptions that CT got this year (44 vs. 43) for more yardage and a much better average.

    To compare, Taylor has watched his carries decrease every season as Peterson takes an INCREASED workload. 303 carries as a starter, to 157 in Peterson's rookie year, 101 and 94 the following two years.

    in terms of percentages of touches between the two:

    2007: AD: 250 CT: 186 -> 57.4%/42.6%
    2008: AD: 384 CT: 146 -> 72.5%/27.5%
    2009: AD: 357 CT: 138 -> 72.2%/27.8%


    Now, how exactly does that translate to "this staff [trying] to limit AD's reps in an effort to extend his career" The percentage of touches between the two has gone from close in his rookie year, to almost 3 touches by Peterson for every 1 by Taylor.
    Not sure were you got your numbers.....

    2009 AD had 315 Att/CT had 93
    2008 AD had 363 Att/CT had 101
    2007 AD had 116 Att/CT had 109
    I included all touches, rushing or receiving, as that is all part of the workload
    Since you like to throw out vague comments, then pounce on people who comment on yoru comment. Why not give us a bold prediction? How many carries, catches, yards, td's and averages do you think Gerhart will get?
    Two things ....

    1. Sometimes I don't put out vague comments. Sometimes I'm pretty specific.
    Oh the irony
    As to predictions. Not one for giving actual numbers, however, if I must......

    .....Going by the stat line/history and the assumption that the Noodle will be slinging it all over the place this eyar, I will say AD gets 300 and Toby gets 100.
    so you think that the touches will go 3:1 in favour of Peterson, but at the same time think Gerhart will play a bigger role than Taylor and do much more than we think? I'm not sure how that works.
    Again, show me were I said he was gonna have a bigger role. One more time, I said I think people will be suprised by how he is used.
    Because of his versatility (at least percieved) he will get more reps that CT IMHO
    But that doesn't say anything about taking reps away from AD.
    We're going to run a certain amount all season, its a given. How we break it up will affect everyone. If player a gets more carries, that means player b gets fewer. They both can't get more, especially if we're going to be passing alot.
    I like to believe that the Noodle will refrain from alot of passing and the team will get back to what it used to do the best and that is running the ball down peoples throats instead of slinging it around alot.
    But you also predict 300 carries for Peterson, and 100 carries from Gerhart, which is a significant decrease for peterson and a very slight increase for the backup. Again, does not make sense.
    Of course, I'm also a bit of a realist and know that the Noodle will try to prove me wrong. My biggest fear is that he will, because its his last year, audible out of every run into pass. Then both of the backs reps will go down my friend.
    yes, I'm sure Favre does that just do prove you wrong. It has nothing to do with him being a 20 year vet and actually knowing how to operate an offense.
    Some Fun Numbers:

    Projecting Favres Numbers

    Based on 5 playoff teams we faced last year:

    4032yds, 42 TDs, 10 INTS

    Based on teams with Above Average Defenses we faced:

    4250yds, 35tds, 11 ints

    I really think the offensive line will be better this year, but, until they show it to me, I think that the passing game will keep on bringing in the yards and the points.

    If anything, a stronger o-line and the addition of Gerhart will make the Opponents pack the box even more consistently against us and give the old man even more freedom to operate.

    The better the run game, the more effective the passing game will be.

    YOU JUST CAN'T HOLD THE NOODLE DOWN! :P
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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

    bsmithberkley wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    really? He averages 20 carries a game. In the past two seasons he's averaged 21, and then take into account we've turned into more of a passing team with Favre than running team. He also had almost the same amount of receptions that CT got this year (44 vs. 43) for more yardage and a much better average.

    To compare, Taylor has watched his carries decrease every season as Peterson takes an INCREASED workload. 303 carries as a starter, to 157 in Peterson's rookie year, 101 and 94 the following two years.

    in terms of percentages of touches between the two:

    2007: AD: 250 CT: 186 -> 57.4%/42.6%
    2008: AD: 384 CT: 146 -> 72.5%/27.5%
    2009: AD: 357 CT: 138 -> 72.2%/27.8%


    Now, how exactly does that translate to "this staff [trying] to limit AD's reps in an effort to extend his career" The percentage of touches between the two has gone from close in his rookie year, to almost 3 touches by Peterson for every 1 by Taylor.
    Not sure were you got your numbers.....

    2009 AD had 315 Att/CT had 93
    2008 AD had 363 Att/CT had 101
    2007 AD had 116 Att/CT had 109
    I included all touches, rushing or receiving, as that is all part of the workload
    Since you like to throw out vague comments, then pounce on people who comment on yoru comment. Why not give us a bold prediction? How many carries, catches, yards, td's and averages do you think Gerhart will get?
    Two things ....

    1. Sometimes I don't put out vague comments. Sometimes I'm pretty specific.
    Oh the irony
    As to predictions. Not one for giving actual numbers, however, if I must......

    .....Going by the stat line/history and the assumption that the Noodle will be slinging it all over the place this eyar, I will say AD gets 300 and Toby gets 100.
    so you think that the touches will go 3:1 in favour of Peterson, but at the same time think Gerhart will play a bigger role than Taylor and do much more than we think? I'm not sure how that works.
    Again, show me were I said he was gonna have a bigger role. One more time, I said I think people will be suprised by how he is used.
    Because of his versatility (at least percieved) he will get more reps that CT IMHO
    But that doesn't say anything about taking reps away from AD.
    We're going to run a certain amount all season, its a given. How we break it up will affect everyone. If player a gets more carries, that means player b gets fewer. They both can't get more, especially if we're going to be passing alot.
    I like to believe that the Noodle will refrain from alot of passing and the team will get back to what it used to do the best and that is running the ball down peoples throats instead of slinging it around alot.
    But you also predict 300 carries for Peterson, and 100 carries from Gerhart, which is a significant decrease for peterson and a very slight increase for the backup. Again, does not make sense.
    Of course, I'm also a bit of a realist and know that the Noodle will try to prove me wrong. My biggest fear is that he will, because its his last year, audible out of every run into pass. Then both of the backs reps will go down my friend.
    yes, I'm sure Favre does that just do prove you wrong. It has nothing to do with him being a 20 year vet and actually knowing how to operate an offense.
    Some Fun Numbers:

    Projecting Favres Numbers

    Based on 5 playoff teams we faced last year:

    4032yds, 42 TDs, 10 INTS

    Based on teams with Above Average Defenses we faced:

    4250yds, 35tds, 11 ints

    I really think the offensive line will be better this year, but, until they show it to me, I think that the passing game will keep on bringing in the yards and the points.

    If anything, a stronger o-line and the addition of Gerhart will make the Opponents pack the box even more consistently against us and give the old man even more freedom to operate.

    The better the run game, the more effective the passing game will be.

    YOU JUST CAN'T HOLD THE NOODLE DOWN! :P
    I can hear the Chiller now....

    Bevs....Noodle, I want to work the running attack this week. Noodle, that means you don't audible as much.
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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

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    Can't wait to see Gerhart run. If he's as good as advertised I think he will be a huge upgrade to CT. Our whole team will benefit.

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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

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    Can't wait to see Gerhart run. If he's as good as advertised I think he will be a huge upgrade to CT. Our whole team will benefit.
    I don't know if I would say huge upgrade, CT was no slouch. I would be quite happy with no decline from CT.

    I am very interested in seeing what this guy has to offer, I see him as more of an all around rb and not just a bruiser and blocker.

    with Chester I wasn't overly worried about AD getting hurt, hopefully Toby can be as dependable.

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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

    tastywaves wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
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    Can't wait to see Gerhart run. If he's as good as advertised I think he will be a huge upgrade to CT. Our whole team will benefit.
    I don't know if I would say huge upgrade, CT was no slouch. I would be quite happy with no decline from CT.

    I am very interested in seeing what this guy has to offer, I see him as more of an all around rb and not just a bruiser and blocker.

    with Chester I wasn't overly worried about AD getting hurt, hopefully Toby can be as dependable.
    Ct wasn't bad if you like guys that have a low rushing average, low recieving average, and can't hang on to the ball. (ok his blocking was pretty good).

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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

    jmcdon00 wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
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    Can't wait to see Gerhart run. If he's as good as advertised I think he will be a huge upgrade to CT. Our whole team will benefit.
    I don't know if I would say huge upgrade, CT was no slouch. I would be quite happy with no decline from CT.

    I am very interested in seeing what this guy has to offer, I see him as more of an all around rb and not just a bruiser and blocker.

    with Chester I wasn't overly worried about AD getting hurt, hopefully Toby can be as dependable.
    Ct wasn't bad if you like guys that have a low rushing average, low recieving average, and can't hang on to the ball. (ok his blocking was pretty good).
    CT's had a decent average except for last year. as a starter, he was 4.0, next year he was over 5, then 4.something, last year was in the 3's.

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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

    jmcdon00 wrote:
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    Marrdro wrote:
    Can't wait to see Gerhart run. If he's as good as advertised I think he will be a huge upgrade to CT. Our whole team will benefit.
    I don't know if I would say huge upgrade, CT was no slouch. I would be quite happy with no decline from CT.

    I am very interested in seeing what this guy has to offer, I see him as more of an all around rb and not just a bruiser and blocker.

    with Chester I wasn't overly worried about AD getting hurt, hopefully Toby can be as dependable.
    Ct wasn't bad if you like guys that have a low rushing average, low recieving average, and can't hang on to the ball. (ok his blocking was pretty good).
    Seemed to be a theme with our RB's last year, guess they both fell off on their stats at the same time. Hmmm... do you reckon there might be more to the story than your stat line.

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    Re:Five teams can balance attacks with big backs

    tastywaves wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
    jmcdon00 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Can't wait to see Gerhart run. If he's as good as advertised I think he will be a huge upgrade to CT. Our whole team will benefit.
    I don't know if I would say huge upgrade, CT was no slouch. I would be quite happy with no decline from CT.

    I am very interested in seeing what this guy has to offer, I see him as more of an all around rb and not just a bruiser and blocker.

    with Chester I wasn't overly worried about AD getting hurt, hopefully Toby can be as dependable.
    Ct wasn't bad if you like guys that have a low rushing average, low recieving average, and can't hang on to the ball. (ok his blocking was pretty good).
    Seemed to be a theme with our RB's last year, guess they both fell off on their stats at the same time. Hmmm... do you reckon there might be more to the story than your stat line.
    I'm still trying to do some research on the change to the blocking scheme.

    Think that might have had something to do with it, but I am mostly convinced it had something to do with more pass blocking and how it effects run blocking.

    Not much out there to research though other than alot of blogs/fan posts about the subject.

    In the end, I want to do a thread on it, but don't have alot to go on thus far other than opinions.
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