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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Since defenses put their best pass rusher on the blind side usually, an offense ideally will have a great pass blocker on the left to counter that.
    Is that your final reason & answer as to why McKinnie & no one else, has played LT all these years as a Viking? :whistle:

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102885
    Since defenses put their best pass rusher on the blind side usually, an offense ideally will have a great pass blocker on the left to counter that.
    Is that your final reason & answer as to why McKinnie & no one else, has played LT all these years as a Viking? :whistle:
    Yup.

    McKinnie was brought in as the guy who never let up a sack in college. McKinnie, despite some obvious hate towards him, was an above average pass blocker. Everyone gets burned form time to time. We like to hate on McKinnie because he's a great big lazy fat fuck. Reality is, he'll find a job, and he'll start somewhere else. We are not better off skill-wise without him.

    McKinnie has been a better pass blocker than all the RT's we've had in qutie a while. Marcus Johnson, Chris Cook, Mike Rosenthal, Phil Loadholt, Chris Lewinski.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    I'm fine with setting lofty goals...

    I'm even alright with failing to achieve those goals...so long as you left it all on the field.

    I'm NOT fine with then acting like you should be compensated based upon those goals, throwing a hissy-fit in the media about NOT being compensated (TWICE), and generally making an ass of yourself by saying, "I'm taking my ball and going home cuz nobody loves me".

    Ray and AP did #1....then they did #2...but only RAY did #3.

    The Vikings cut a guy who created moderate production for them but had a BAD ATTITUDE and projected that to the press and thereby to the fans. Maybe Robison gets run over all year long, but Robison hasn't been shooting his mouth off in the media. Robison isn't crying about not getting his way. Robison hasn't been moaning about not getting paid. And, most importantly, Robison hasn't been acting like he's a "Me First" dochebag....unlike Ray, who did ALL those things.

    Ray reminds me of Chris Hovan. Worth more in his mind than on the field.

    Caine
    1. The Vikings didn't cut Edwards, he was a FA.
    Ooops...I meant "Let go" or "Cut ties with", not "Cut". Aside from that, the statement stands as written.

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    2. The reason Robison didn't cry about getting money is because 1. He was a backup & 2. He got his big payday before he was even named the starter. Of course he didn't cry about his salary, he didn't have to.

    He never played a season making backup money. Do you think if they would have started him all season long & kept his salary at $460,000 he would have been happy & not said anything about it?
    I also don't see Greenway or Peterson crying about money. But it's ok if Ray does?

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    3. Edwards, the Vikings starter was upset because his back up got a bigger payday than he did & felt he should be paid mote than his back up.

    Ray's 2010 salary: $1 mil
    Brian's 2011 salary: $4.7 mil

    He had a very legitimate gripe & every reason to feel he should be paid more than his backup. Apparently some Vikings fans think Edwards should have kept his pie hole shut & simply accepted less money than his moderate backup that played considerably less than he did.
    No one said he should be paid less than his back up...we said:

    A: The Vikings COULDN'T negotiate with him due to the lock out.
    B: His statements lead us to believe he would be asking for more than we felt he was worth.
    C: His 2010 salary was in excess of 3 million....

    Where you come up with this other crap is beyond me...

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    4. Do you believe that if they paid Camarillo 5X more than they paid Harvin, Harvin would be happy about it?

    If they hired a guy at your work to work a fraction of the hours you did and paid him almost 5 times your annual salary, I find it hard to believe you would be happy with it & not say a word about it.
    Now we're equating Robison with Camarillo? Really?

    You keep trying to make this into something it isn't. NO ONE asked Ray to play for less than his back up. NO ONE asked Ray to accept less money while paying someone else more. And no matter how many ways you spin it, it still isn't TRUE.

    RAY went off when he was tendered in an uncapped year. He was looking for BIG $$$ and ONLY got 3 million plus (not the 1 mil you stated above).

    RAY started whining about holding out.

    RAY then played the 2010 season and had some pretty lackluster stats.

    RAY then followed it up by FLAT OUT STATING that he wasn't going to play in Minnesota unless he got paid....while the Lockout was in progress and the Vikings couldn't talk to him EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

    In short, Ray built a cross, dug a hole, put the cross up, then nailed himself to it and started whining about how unappreciated he was.

    HE DID IT TO HIMSELF.

    Clearer now?

    Caine
    Umm, Ray's salary in 2010 was $1 million, not $3 million like your trying to sell;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/Vikings/salaries/2009-10

    and here's his 2009 & earlier salaries;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/salaries/player/Ray-Edwards

    Oh & BTW, when you're tendered a $2.5 mil contract to start in 2011 & your back up gets $4.7 mil, that sounds like lack of appreciation. That's a slap in the face.

    He may not have played great, but neither did his back up who got the big payday.

    If I got screwed over like that, I'd be pissed & say something about it too. I wouldn't be like some people here who would take it up the ass & then keep mum about it, like they wanted Edwards to do.

    Well at least some people here are happy because we just paid a guy 5X times the money we were paying another guy for what will probably be similar production.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Since defenses put their best pass rusher on the blind side usually, an offense ideally will have a great pass blocker on the left to counter that.
    Is that your final reason & answer as to why McKinnie & no one else, has played LT all these years as a Viking? :whistle:
    Yup.

    McKinnie was brought in as the guy who never let up a sack in college. McKinnie, despite some obvious hate towards him, was an above average pass blocker. Everyone gets burned form time to time. We like to hate on McKinnie because he's a great big lazy fat fuck. Reality is, he'll find a job, and he'll start somewhere else. We are not better off skill-wise without him.

    McKinnie has been a better pass blocker than all the RT's we've had in qutie a while. Marcus Johnson, Chris Cook, Mike Rosenthal, Phil Loadholt, Chris Lewinski.
    Artiose Hicks? I believe he played quite well spelling Big McK

    Saying McKinnie is a better pass blocker than Johnson, Cook, Lewinski & Rosenthal, isn't saying a lot.

    Perhaps now you see why I've been screaming for better O-Linemen every offseason.

    McKinnie was a better run blocker than a pass blocker. He never lived up to his college reputation & has been getting beat by speedy pass rushers from day 1. He was far from being a great pass blocker.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103013

    We like to hate on McKinnie because he's a great big lazy fat fuck. Reality is, [strike]he'll find a job, and he'll start somewhere else[/strike] he's a great big lazy fat fuck.
    Fixed it for you.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1103014
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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    I'm fine with setting lofty goals...

    I'm even alright with failing to achieve those goals...so long as you left it all on the field.

    I'm NOT fine with then acting like you should be compensated based upon those goals, throwing a hissy-fit in the media about NOT being compensated (TWICE), and generally making an ass of yourself by saying, "I'm taking my ball and going home cuz nobody loves me".

    Ray and AP did #1....then they did #2...but only RAY did #3.

    The Vikings cut a guy who created moderate production for them but had a BAD ATTITUDE and projected that to the press and thereby to the fans. Maybe Robison gets run over all year long, but Robison hasn't been shooting his mouth off in the media. Robison isn't crying about not getting his way. Robison hasn't been moaning about not getting paid. And, most importantly, Robison hasn't been acting like he's a "Me First" dochebag....unlike Ray, who did ALL those things.

    Ray reminds me of Chris Hovan. Worth more in his mind than on the field.

    Caine
    1. The Vikings didn't cut Edwards, he was a FA.
    Ooops...I meant "Let go" or "Cut ties with", not "Cut". Aside from that, the statement stands as written.

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    2. The reason Robison didn't cry about getting money is because 1. He was a backup & 2. He got his big payday before he was even named the starter. Of course he didn't cry about his salary, he didn't have to.

    He never played a season making backup money. Do you think if they would have started him all season long & kept his salary at $460,000 he would have been happy & not said anything about it?
    I also don't see Greenway or Peterson crying about money. But it's ok if Ray does?

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    3. Edwards, the Vikings starter was upset because his back up got a bigger payday than he did & felt he should be paid mote than his back up.

    Ray's 2010 salary: $1 mil
    Brian's 2011 salary: $4.7 mil

    He had a very legitimate gripe & every reason to feel he should be paid more than his backup. Apparently some Vikings fans think Edwards should have kept his pie hole shut & simply accepted less money than his moderate backup that played considerably less than he did.
    No one said he should be paid less than his back up...we said:

    A: The Vikings COULDN'T negotiate with him due to the lock out.
    B: His statements lead us to believe he would be asking for more than we felt he was worth.
    C: His 2010 salary was in excess of 3 million....

    Where you come up with this other crap is beyond me...

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    4. Do you believe that if they paid Camarillo 5X more than they paid Harvin, Harvin would be happy about it?

    If they hired a guy at your work to work a fraction of the hours you did and paid him almost 5 times your annual salary, I find it hard to believe you would be happy with it & not say a word about it.
    Now we're equating Robison with Camarillo? Really?

    You keep trying to make this into something it isn't. NO ONE asked Ray to play for less than his back up. NO ONE asked Ray to accept less money while paying someone else more. And no matter how many ways you spin it, it still isn't TRUE.

    RAY went off when he was tendered in an uncapped year. He was looking for BIG $$$ and ONLY got 3 million plus (not the 1 mil you stated above).

    RAY started whining about holding out.

    RAY then played the 2010 season and had some pretty lackluster stats.

    RAY then followed it up by FLAT OUT STATING that he wasn't going to play in Minnesota unless he got paid....while the Lockout was in progress and the Vikings couldn't talk to him EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

    In short, Ray built a cross, dug a hole, put the cross up, then nailed himself to it and started whining about how unappreciated he was.

    HE DID IT TO HIMSELF.

    Clearer now?

    Caine
    Umm, Ray's salary in 2010 was $1 million, not $3 million like your trying to sell;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/Vikings/salaries/2009-10

    and here's his 2009 & earlier salaries;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/salaries/player/Ray-Edwards

    Oh & BTW, when you're tendered a $2.5 mil contract to start in 2011 & your back up gets $4.7 mil, that sounds like lack of appreciation. That's a slap in the face.

    He may not have played great, but neither did his back up who got the big payday.

    If I got screwed over like that, I'd be pissed & say something about it too. I wouldn't be like some people here who would take it up the ass & then keep mum about it, like they wanted Edwards to do.

    Well at least some people here are happy because we just paid a guy 5X times the money we were paying another guy for what will probably be similar production.
    Edwards earned about $3.2 million last season according to multiple sources. The USA today number you are posting is what he earned in 2009. Easy to figure out since Chester Taylor is on the list.

    The second source here said he would earn at least $2.5 million in 2010.

    http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2011/01/vikings-free-agents-who-stays.html

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/02/vikings-ray-edwards-unhappy-roger-goodeel-pushes-a-pen-for-9m/1

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ray_edwards_signs_tender_in_minnesota/2740019

    And paying 5x the money is RIDICULOUS to quote considering it is clear that Edwards would have cost at least TWICE the total money than Robison to keep. Though I am guessing since he ended up much lower than anyone expected, we would have been more in the mix on Edwards had we known.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Since defenses put their best pass rusher on the blind side usually, an offense ideally will have a great pass blocker on the left to counter that.
    Is that your final reason & answer as to why McKinnie & no one else, has played LT all these years as a Viking? :whistle:
    Yup.

    McKinnie was brought in as the guy who never let up a sack in college. McKinnie, despite some obvious hate towards him, was an above average pass blocker. Everyone gets burned form time to time. We like to hate on McKinnie because he's a great big lazy fat fuck. Reality is, he'll find a job, and he'll start somewhere else. We are not better off skill-wise without him.

    McKinnie has been a better pass blocker than all the RT's we've had in qutie a while. Marcus Johnson, Chris Cook, Mike Rosenthal, Phil Loadholt, Chris Lewinski.
    Artiose Hicks? I believe he played quite well spelling Big McK

    Saying McKinnie is a better pass blocker than Johnson, Cook, Lewinski & Rosenthal, isn't saying a lot.

    Perhaps now you see why I've been screaming for better O-Linemen every offseason.

    McKinnie was a better run blocker than a pass blocker. He never lived up to his college reputation & has been getting beat by speedy pass rushers from day 1. He was far from being a great pass blocker.
    McKinnie is a better LT than easily half of the starting LT's out there. You don't know what a bad LT is until you actually watch some other teams play. I'm a firm believer Mac was our best OL last season, and although that's not saying alot, getting rid of him probably won't make us better in pass protection.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    I'm fine with setting lofty goals...

    I'm even alright with failing to achieve those goals...so long as you left it all on the field.

    I'm NOT fine with then acting like you should be compensated based upon those goals, throwing a hissy-fit in the media about NOT being compensated (TWICE), and generally making an ass of yourself by saying, "I'm taking my ball and going home cuz nobody loves me".

    Ray and AP did #1....then they did #2...but only RAY did #3.

    The Vikings cut a guy who created moderate production for them but had a BAD ATTITUDE and projected that to the press and thereby to the fans. Maybe Robison gets run over all year long, but Robison hasn't been shooting his mouth off in the media. Robison isn't crying about not getting his way. Robison hasn't been moaning about not getting paid. And, most importantly, Robison hasn't been acting like he's a "Me First" dochebag....unlike Ray, who did ALL those things.

    Ray reminds me of Chris Hovan. Worth more in his mind than on the field.

    Caine
    1. The Vikings didn't cut Edwards, he was a FA.
    Ooops...I meant "Let go" or "Cut ties with", not "Cut". Aside from that, the statement stands as written.

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    2. The reason Robison didn't cry about getting money is because 1. He was a backup & 2. He got his big payday before he was even named the starter. Of course he didn't cry about his salary, he didn't have to.

    He never played a season making backup money. Do you think if they would have started him all season long & kept his salary at $460,000 he would have been happy & not said anything about it?
    I also don't see Greenway or Peterson crying about money. But it's ok if Ray does?

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    3. Edwards, the Vikings starter was upset because his back up got a bigger payday than he did & felt he should be paid mote than his back up.

    Ray's 2010 salary: $1 mil
    Brian's 2011 salary: $4.7 mil

    He had a very legitimate gripe & every reason to feel he should be paid more than his backup. Apparently some Vikings fans think Edwards should have kept his pie hole shut & simply accepted less money than his moderate backup that played considerably less than he did.
    No one said he should be paid less than his back up...we said:

    A: The Vikings COULDN'T negotiate with him due to the lock out.
    B: His statements lead us to believe he would be asking for more than we felt he was worth.
    C: His 2010 salary was in excess of 3 million....

    Where you come up with this other crap is beyond me...

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    4. Do you believe that if they paid Camarillo 5X more than they paid Harvin, Harvin would be happy about it?

    If they hired a guy at your work to work a fraction of the hours you did and paid him almost 5 times your annual salary, I find it hard to believe you would be happy with it & not say a word about it.
    Now we're equating Robison with Camarillo? Really?

    You keep trying to make this into something it isn't. NO ONE asked Ray to play for less than his back up. NO ONE asked Ray to accept less money while paying someone else more. And no matter how many ways you spin it, it still isn't TRUE.

    RAY went off when he was tendered in an uncapped year. He was looking for BIG $$$ and ONLY got 3 million plus (not the 1 mil you stated above).

    RAY started whining about holding out.

    RAY then played the 2010 season and had some pretty lackluster stats.

    RAY then followed it up by FLAT OUT STATING that he wasn't going to play in Minnesota unless he got paid....while the Lockout was in progress and the Vikings couldn't talk to him EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

    In short, Ray built a cross, dug a hole, put the cross up, then nailed himself to it and started whining about how unappreciated he was.

    HE DID IT TO HIMSELF.

    Clearer now?

    Caine
    Umm, Ray's salary in 2010 was $1 million, not $3 million like your trying to sell;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/Vikings/salaries/2009-10

    and here's his 2009 & earlier salaries;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/salaries/player/Ray-Edwards

    Oh & BTW, when you're tendered a $2.5 mil contract to start in 2011 & your back up gets $4.7 mil, that sounds like lack of appreciation. That's a slap in the face.

    He may not have played great, but neither did his back up who got the big payday.

    If I got screwed over like that, I'd be pissed & say something about it too. I wouldn't be like some people here who would take it up the ass & then keep mum about it, like they wanted Edwards to do.

    Well at least some people here are happy because we just paid a guy 5X times the money we were paying another guy for what will probably be similar production.
    I hate to be the one to point out the obvious, but your salary data is a year behind. When it says 2009-2010, it means the 2009 season. Ray made 1.1 million in 2009. That site doesn't show his 2010 salary.

    But, based upon his tender, he made almost 3 million in 2010.

    And, there is no guarantee that the Vikings weren't going to negotiate with him after the lockout....but Ray made such a stink about it, despite the fact that nothing could be done while he was crying (and "boxing"), that he turned off most of the fans...including me.

    In short, no one was trying to "screw" Ray....he just decided he couldn't get what he wanted RIGHT NOW and threw a huge hissy fit.

    Sort of like Culpepper with his emails to the media.

    Caine

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    I'm fine with setting lofty goals...

    I'm even alright with failing to achieve those goals...so long as you left it all on the field.

    I'm NOT fine with then acting like you should be compensated based upon those goals, throwing a hissy-fit in the media about NOT being compensated (TWICE), and generally making an ass of yourself by saying, "I'm taking my ball and going home cuz nobody loves me".

    Ray and AP did #1....then they did #2...but only RAY did #3.

    The Vikings cut a guy who created moderate production for them but had a BAD ATTITUDE and projected that to the press and thereby to the fans. Maybe Robison gets run over all year long, but Robison hasn't been shooting his mouth off in the media. Robison isn't crying about not getting his way. Robison hasn't been moaning about not getting paid. And, most importantly, Robison hasn't been acting like he's a "Me First" dochebag....unlike Ray, who did ALL those things.

    Ray reminds me of Chris Hovan. Worth more in his mind than on the field.

    Caine
    1. The Vikings didn't cut Edwards, he was a FA.
    Ooops...I meant "Let go" or "Cut ties with", not "Cut". Aside from that, the statement stands as written.

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    2. The reason Robison didn't cry about getting money is because 1. He was a backup & 2. He got his big payday before he was even named the starter. Of course he didn't cry about his salary, he didn't have to.

    He never played a season making backup money. Do you think if they would have started him all season long & kept his salary at $460,000 he would have been happy & not said anything about it?
    I also don't see Greenway or Peterson crying about money. But it's ok if Ray does?

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    3. Edwards, the Vikings starter was upset because his back up got a bigger payday than he did & felt he should be paid mote than his back up.

    Ray's 2010 salary: $1 mil
    Brian's 2011 salary: $4.7 mil

    He had a very legitimate gripe & every reason to feel he should be paid more than his backup. Apparently some Vikings fans think Edwards should have kept his pie hole shut & simply accepted less money than his moderate backup that played considerably less than he did.
    No one said he should be paid less than his back up...we said:

    A: The Vikings COULDN'T negotiate with him due to the lock out.
    B: His statements lead us to believe he would be asking for more than we felt he was worth.
    C: His 2010 salary was in excess of 3 million....

    Where you come up with this other crap is beyond me...

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    4. Do you believe that if they paid Camarillo 5X more than they paid Harvin, Harvin would be happy about it?

    If they hired a guy at your work to work a fraction of the hours you did and paid him almost 5 times your annual salary, I find it hard to believe you would be happy with it & not say a word about it.
    Now we're equating Robison with Camarillo? Really?

    You keep trying to make this into something it isn't. NO ONE asked Ray to play for less than his back up. NO ONE asked Ray to accept less money while paying someone else more. And no matter how many ways you spin it, it still isn't TRUE.

    RAY went off when he was tendered in an uncapped year. He was looking for BIG $$$ and ONLY got 3 million plus (not the 1 mil you stated above).

    RAY started whining about holding out.

    RAY then played the 2010 season and had some pretty lackluster stats.

    RAY then followed it up by FLAT OUT STATING that he wasn't going to play in Minnesota unless he got paid....while the Lockout was in progress and the Vikings couldn't talk to him EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

    In short, Ray built a cross, dug a hole, put the cross up, then nailed himself to it and started whining about how unappreciated he was.

    HE DID IT TO HIMSELF.

    Clearer now?

    Caine
    Umm, Ray's salary in 2010 was $1 million, not $3 million like your trying to sell;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/Vikings/salaries/2009-10

    and here's his 2009 & earlier salaries;

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/salaries/player/Ray-Edwards

    Oh & BTW, when you're tendered a $2.5 mil contract to start in 2011 & your back up gets $4.7 mil, that sounds like lack of appreciation. That's a slap in the face.

    He may not have played great, but neither did his back up who got the big payday.

    If I got screwed over like that, I'd be pissed & say something about it too. I wouldn't be like some people here who would take it up the ass & then keep mum about it, like they wanted Edwards to do.

    Well at least some people here are happy because we just paid a guy 5X times the money we were paying another guy for what will probably be similar production.
    I hate to be the one to point out the obvious, but your salary data is a year behind. When it says 2009-2010, it means the 2009 season. Ray made 1.1 million in 2009. That site doesn't show his 2010 salary.

    But, based upon his tender, he made almost 3 million in 2010.

    And, there is no guarantee that the Vikings weren't going to negotiate with him after the lockout....but Ray made such a stink about it, despite the fact that nothing could be done while he was crying (and "boxing"), that he turned off most of the fans...including me.

    In short, no one was trying to "screw" Ray....he just decided he couldn't get what he wanted RIGHT NOW and threw a huge hissy fit.

    Sort of like Culpepper with his emails to the media.

    Caine
    You're right about the $3 mil. Here's a link to his 2010 & all Vikings FA salary;

    http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2011/01/vikings-free-agents-who-stays.html

    The Vikings tendered Edwards $2.5 mil for 2011, less than his 2010 salary & jettisoned Robison up to $4.6 mil for 2011. They probably could have retained both for a little bit more, but with the Vikings offering Robison twice what they offered Edwards, it's understandable why it set him off.

    I've liked Robison from the first year we got him & hope he pans out to be better than Ray & improves the position, but I feel the Vikings just paid a lot more money & didn't improve the position.

    Interesting note: Rice made $550,000...less than Greg Lewis' $805,000?

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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    It's not the confidence thing that we are hating on Edwards. It's his attitutde towards the team for the past two years. Disrespecting them through the media.

    I know you keep saying AP hasn't broken 2000 yards yet but let's face it. He has much more of a chance to break 200 yards than Edwards had in breaking the sack record. At least AP came close. Edwards hasn't even came within 50% of the goal. It's pretty much comparing apples and oranges.
    All I'm saying is both set lofty goals, goals they know they probably won't achieve, but it gives them an incentive to try and hit it.

    If he doesn't hit his goals, but makes improvements in his game, he isn't a failure, even though most people would label him that.

    Edwards might not have a lot of tact, but I'd take him on my team over a player like McKinnie any day.

    Again, if the position play doesn't improve with Robison playing it, then the loss of Edwards downgrades our team.
    I have to disagree with your lofty goals statement. I think AP has every intention of hitting 2000 yards and all indications are he can actually achieve it. Which brings me to your next statement whioh I agree with. I would rather have Edwards over McKinnie anyday as well. In fact if we did have another LT out there maybe AP would have a better chance at making the 2000 yards.

    As to the downgrade of the team, you may be correct. It very well could happen. The problem is Edwards no longer wanted to be here and Robison did. I'd rather take a minor downgrade at a position if that downgrade is willing to improve and not cause problems in the locker room (which Edwards has done several times).

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