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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    It's not the confidence thing that we are hating on Edwards. It's his attitutde towards the team for the past two years. Disrespecting them through the media.

    I know you keep saying AP hasn't broken 2000 yards yet but let's face it. He has much more of a chance to break 200 yards than Edwards had in breaking the sack record. At least AP came close. Edwards hasn't even came within 50% of the goal. It's pretty much comparing apples and oranges.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    It's not the confidence thing that we are hating on Edwards. It's his attitutde towards the team for the past two years. Disrespecting them through the media.

    I know you keep saying AP hasn't broken 2000 yards yet but let's face it. He has much more of a chance to break 200 yards than Edwards had in breaking the sack record. At least AP came close. Edwards hasn't even came within 50% of the goal. It's pretty much comparing apples and oranges.
    All I'm saying is both set lofty goals, goals they know they probably won't achieve, but it gives them an incentive to try and hit it.

    If he doesn't hit his goals, but makes improvements in his game, he isn't a failure, even though most people would label him that.

    Edwards might not have a lot of tact, but I'd take him on my team over a player like McKinnie any day.

    Again, if the position play doesn't improve with Robison playing it, then the loss of Edwards downgrades our team.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102676
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102644
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that it's easier to get a sack attacking from a QB's blind side, than it is trying to get a sack when the QB see's you coming.
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that teams put their best pass-blocking tackle on the left side to try and counter that.
    Do they always? Are you sure?

    I would be more apt to believe they put their best pass blocking tackle on the opposing teams best end whether it happens to be a LDE or RDE.

    Are you trying to tell me if Jared Allen & Brian Robison switched ends for a game, opposing teams would put their best pass blocker on Robison & a lesser tackle on JA?

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102675
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102643
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1101869
    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    I'm fine with setting lofty goals...

    I'm even alright with failing to achieve those goals...so long as you left it all on the field.

    I'm NOT fine with then acting like you should be compensated based upon those goals, throwing a hissy-fit in the media about NOT being compensated (TWICE), and generally making an ass of yourself by saying, "I'm taking my ball and going home cuz nobody loves me".

    Ray and AP did #1....then they did #2...but only RAY did #3.

    The Vikings cut a guy who created moderate production for them but had a BAD ATTITUDE and projected that to the press and thereby to the fans. Maybe Robison gets run over all year long, but Robison hasn't been shooting his mouth off in the media. Robison isn't crying about not getting his way. Robison hasn't been moaning about not getting paid. And, most importantly, Robison hasn't been acting like he's a "Me First" dochebag....unlike Ray, who did ALL those things.

    Ray reminds me of Chris Hovan. Worth more in his mind than on the field.

    Caine

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102874
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102847
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102675
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102643
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1101869
    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    I'm fine with setting lofty goals...

    I'm even alright with failing to achieve those goals...so long as you left it all on the field.

    I'm NOT fine with then acting like you should be compensated based upon those goals, throwing a hissy-fit in the media about NOT being compensated (TWICE), and generally making an ass of yourself by saying, "I'm taking my ball and going home cuz nobody loves me".

    Ray and AP did #1....then they did #2...but only RAY did #3.

    The Vikings cut a guy who created moderate production for them but had a BAD ATTITUDE and projected that to the press and thereby to the fans. Maybe Robison gets run over all year long, but Robison hasn't been shooting his mouth off in the media. Robison isn't crying about not getting his way. Robison hasn't been moaning about not getting paid. And, most importantly, Robison hasn't been acting like he's a "Me First" dochebag....unlike Ray, who did ALL those things.

    Ray reminds me of Chris Hovan. Worth more in his mind than on the field.

    Caine
    1. The Vikings didn't cut Edwards, he was a FA.

    2. The reason Robison didn't cry about getting money is because 1. He was a backup & 2. He got his big payday before he was even named the starter. Of course he didn't cry about his salary, he didn't have to.

    He never played a season making backup money. Do you think if they would have started him all season long & kept his salary at $460,000 he would have been happy & not said anything about it?

    3. Edwards, the Vikings starter was upset because his back up got a bigger payday than he did & felt he should be paid mote than his back up.

    Ray's 2010 salary: $1 mil
    Brian's 2011 salary: $4.7 mil

    He had a very legitimate gripe & every reason to feel he should be paid more than his backup. Apparently some Vikings fans think Edwards should have kept his pie hole shut & simply accepted less money than his moderate backup that played considerably less than he did.

    4. Do you believe that if they paid Camarillo 5X more than they paid Harvin, Harvin would be happy about it?

    If they hired a guy at your work to work a fraction of the hours you did and paid him almost 5 times your annual salary, I find it hard to believe you would be happy with it & not say a word about it.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102676
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102644
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that it's easier to get a sack attacking from a QB's blind side, than it is trying to get a sack when the QB see's you coming.
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that teams put their best pass-blocking tackle on the left side to try and counter that.
    Teams put their best LT at the LT position & their best RT at the RT position.

    Putting a great pass-blocking RT on the left side, doesn't automatically mean he'll be a great LT.

    They are two different skill positions and aren't as easily interchangeable as you are trying to insinuate.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102883
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102676
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102644
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that it's easier to get a sack attacking from a QB's blind side, than it is trying to get a sack when the QB see's you coming.
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that teams put their best pass-blocking tackle on the left side to try and counter that.
    Teams put their best LT at the LT position & their best RT at the RT position.

    Putting a great pass-blocking RT on the left side, doesn't automatically mean he'll be a great LT.

    They are two different skill positions and aren't as easily interchangeable as you are trying to insinuate.
    Then what makes up the difference between LT and RT?

    Oh, usually one is a stronger guy suited for run blocking, the other is a pass blocker, to protect the QB's blind side.

    Since defenses put their best pass rusher on the blind side usually, an offense ideally will have a great pass blocker on the left to counter that.

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102885
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102883
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102676
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102644
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that it's easier to get a sack attacking from a QB's blind side, than it is trying to get a sack when the QB see's you coming.
    I can see people STILL can't figure out that teams put their best pass-blocking tackle on the left side to try and counter that.
    Teams put their best LT at the LT position & their best RT at the RT position.

    Putting a great pass-blocking RT on the left side, doesn't automatically mean he'll be a great LT.

    They are two different skill positions and aren't as easily interchangeable as you are trying to insinuate.
    Then what makes up the difference between LT and RT?

    Oh, usually one is a stronger guy suited for run blocking, the other is a pass blocker, to protect the QB's blind side.

    Since defenses put their best pass rusher on the blind side usually, an offense ideally will have a great pass blocker on the left to counter that.
    Yup....from Wiki ---

    Right tackle

    The right tackle (RT) is usually the team's best run blocker. Most running plays are towards the strong side (the side with the tight end) of the offensive line. Consequently the right tackle will face the defending team's best run stoppers. He must be able to gain traction in his blocks so that the running back can find a hole to run through.
    [edit] Left tackle

    The left tackle (LT) is usually the team's best pass blocker. Of the two tackles, the left tackles will often have better footwork and agility than the right tackle in order to counteract the pass rush of defensive ends. Most quarterbacks are right-handed and in order to throw, they stand with their left shoulders facing down field, closer to the line of scrimmage. Thus, they turn their backs to defenders coming from the left side, creating a vulnerable "blind side" that the left tackle must protect. (Conversely, teams with left-handed quarterbacks tend to have their better pass blockers at right tackle for the same reason.)

    A 2006 book by Michael Lewis, The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game, sheds much light on the workings of the left tackle position. The book discusses how the annual salary of left tackles in the NFL skyrocketed in the mid-90's. Premier left tackles are now highly sought after commodities, and are often the second highest paid players on a roster after the quarterback; at least one left tackle is almost always picked with one of the first five positions in the NFL Draft.[2] Recent examples include Trent Williams (2010, 4th overall pick), Jake Long (2008, 1st overall pick), and Joe Thomas (2007, 3rd overall pick).

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    Re: Falcons sign Ray Edwards to 5 year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102874
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102847
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102675
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102643
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    Going to be interesting to see how well he performs down there. Here's where the handful of "Ray isn't affected by who he plays with" posters get to prove the merits of their arguments.

    Caine
    Going to be interesting to see how well Robison performs & if he can get double-digit sacks playing along side 3 pro bowlers to prove the merits of some posters arguments.
    I didn't hear Robison talking about breaking the sack record...

    I didn't hear Robison whining about money...

    Ray gets to step up and PROVE how good he really is now. He got his "big Boy" contract...let's see if he lives up to it.

    Robison gets the same challenge, but doesn't have the big mouth to add pressure to his task.

    Caine
    So he opened his yap and set some goals. Did our slave AD get his 2000 yards yet?

    Robison got his big boy contract to.

    At the end of the day, if we get worse play out of Robison & Ayodele than we would have/did with Edwards & Robison, the Vikings fucked up and took yet another skilled position & rather than improve it, they downgrade it.

    That's not what they are supposed to do.

    At that point the argument of Ray's yap is moot.

    BTW, he said he planned on breaking the record back in 2008. 3 years ago People still can't let it go & act as if he said in in 2009 & 2010 also.
    I'm fine with setting lofty goals...

    I'm even alright with failing to achieve those goals...so long as you left it all on the field.

    I'm NOT fine with then acting like you should be compensated based upon those goals, throwing a hissy-fit in the media about NOT being compensated (TWICE), and generally making an ass of yourself by saying, "I'm taking my ball and going home cuz nobody loves me".

    Ray and AP did #1....then they did #2...but only RAY did #3.

    The Vikings cut a guy who created moderate production for them but had a BAD ATTITUDE and projected that to the press and thereby to the fans. Maybe Robison gets run over all year long, but Robison hasn't been shooting his mouth off in the media. Robison isn't crying about not getting his way. Robison hasn't been moaning about not getting paid. And, most importantly, Robison hasn't been acting like he's a "Me First" dochebag....unlike Ray, who did ALL those things.

    Ray reminds me of Chris Hovan. Worth more in his mind than on the field.

    Caine
    1. The Vikings didn't cut Edwards, he was a FA.
    Ooops...I meant "Let go" or "Cut ties with", not "Cut". Aside from that, the statement stands as written.

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    2. The reason Robison didn't cry about getting money is because 1. He was a backup & 2. He got his big payday before he was even named the starter. Of course he didn't cry about his salary, he didn't have to.

    He never played a season making backup money. Do you think if they would have started him all season long & kept his salary at $460,000 he would have been happy & not said anything about it?
    I also don't see Greenway or Peterson crying about money. But it's ok if Ray does?

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    3. Edwards, the Vikings starter was upset because his back up got a bigger payday than he did & felt he should be paid mote than his back up.

    Ray's 2010 salary: $1 mil
    Brian's 2011 salary: $4.7 mil

    He had a very legitimate gripe & every reason to feel he should be paid more than his backup. Apparently some Vikings fans think Edwards should have kept his pie hole shut & simply accepted less money than his moderate backup that played considerably less than he did.
    No one said he should be paid less than his back up...we said:

    A: The Vikings COULDN'T negotiate with him due to the lock out.
    B: His statements lead us to believe he would be asking for more than we felt he was worth.
    C: His 2010 salary was in excess of 3 million....

    Where you come up with this other crap is beyond me...

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1102878
    4. Do you believe that if they paid Camarillo 5X more than they paid Harvin, Harvin would be happy about it?

    If they hired a guy at your work to work a fraction of the hours you did and paid him almost 5 times your annual salary, I find it hard to believe you would be happy with it & not say a word about it.
    Now we're equating Robison with Camarillo? Really?

    You keep trying to make this into something it isn't. NO ONE asked Ray to play for less than his back up. NO ONE asked Ray to accept less money while paying someone else more. And no matter how many ways you spin it, it still isn't TRUE.

    RAY went off when he was tendered in an uncapped year. He was looking for BIG $$$ and ONLY got 3 million plus (not the 1 mil you stated above).

    RAY started whining about holding out.

    RAY then played the 2010 season and had some pretty lackluster stats.

    RAY then followed it up by FLAT OUT STATING that he wasn't going to play in Minnesota unless he got paid....while the Lockout was in progress and the Vikings couldn't talk to him EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

    In short, Ray built a cross, dug a hole, put the cross up, then nailed himself to it and started whining about how unappreciated he was.

    HE DID IT TO HIMSELF.

    Clearer now?

    Caine

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