Thread: ESPN’s QB special undermines QB stat

ESPN unveiled its new Total Quarterback Rating statistic with a TV special on Friday night, and the odd thing about it is that the people featured on the special didn’t seem to buy into the stat.

Although ESPN wants fans to believe that Total QBR is a big step forward in statistical analysis of the quarterback position, the special started with Monday Night Football analysts Jon Gruden and Ron Jaworski both expressing skepticism.

Was some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever seen.

They are all over the place with this. It is like they are trying to "create" an OPS or WHIP for football and be the ones who can be credited with it.

It is moronic.

Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1103445

ESPN unveiled its new Total Quarterback Rating statistic with a TV special on Friday night, and the odd thing about it is that the people featured on the special didn’t seem to buy into the stat.

Although ESPN wants fans to believe that Total QBR is a big step forward in statistical analysis of the quarterback position, the special started with Monday Night Football analysts Jon Gruden and Ron Jaworski both expressing skepticism.

Classic ESPN!

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103447

Was some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever seen.

They are all over the place with this. It is like they are trying to "create" an OPS or WHIP for football and be the ones who can be credited with it.

It is moronic.

I think this is like SWAG ( Scientific wild ass guess) 2.0

Just ESPN trying to act like they have a clue.

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103447

Was some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever seen.

They are all over the place with this. It is like they are trying to "create" an OPS or WHIP for football and be the ones who can be credited with it.

It is moronic.

As is the current passer rating stat.

I appreciate a lot of what they are trying to do - especially finding a way NOT to reward a passer for throwing a 5-yard pass that someone like Percy turns into a 50-yard gain.

=Z=

Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1103490

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103447

Was some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever seen.

They are all over the place with this. It is like they are trying to "create" an OPS or WHIP for football and be the ones who can be credited with it.

It is moronic.

As is the current passer rating stat.

I appreciate a lot of what they are trying to do - especially finding a way NOT to reward a passer for throwing a 5-yard pass that someone like Percy turns into a 50-yard gain.

=Z=

The current passer rating stat works. For the most part the highest rated ones are the best guys in the league (Manning, Brees, Rivers, etc.)

I agree it is not good for comparing current players to those of the 60s and 70s, but in general it is a good measuring tool.

Originally Posted by "CPonderFan" #1103462

Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1103445

ESPN unveiled its new Total Quarterback Rating statistic with a TV special on Friday night, and the odd thing about it is that the people featured on the special didn’t seem to buy into the stat.

Although ESPN wants fans to believe that Total QBR is a big step forward in statistical analysis of the quarterback position, the special started with Monday Night Football analysts Jon Gruden and Ron Jaworski both expressing skepticism.

Classic ESPN!

+1

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103497

Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1103490

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103447

Was some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever seen.

They are all over the place with this. It is like they are trying to "create" an OPS or WHIP for football and be the ones who can be credited with it.

It is moronic.

As is the current passer rating stat.

I appreciate a lot of what they are trying to do - especially finding a way NOT to reward a passer for throwing a 5-yard pass that someone like Percy turns into a 50-yard gain.

The current passer rating stat works. For the most part the highest rated ones are the best guys in the league (Manning, Brees, Rivers, etc.)

I agree it is not good for comparing current players to those of the 60s and 70s, but in general it is a good measuring tool.

The current passer rating stat is a joke.

Any clue how it's calculated?

http://www.baseball-statistics.com/Greats/Century/passer-rating.htm

=Z=

Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1103575

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103497

Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1103490

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103447

Was some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever seen.

They are all over the place with this. It is like they are trying to "create" an OPS or WHIP for football and be the ones who can be credited with it.

It is moronic.

As is the current passer rating stat.

I appreciate a lot of what they are trying to do - especially finding a way NOT to reward a passer for throwing a 5-yard pass that someone like Percy turns into a 50-yard gain.

The current passer rating stat works. For the most part the highest rated ones are the best guys in the league (Manning, Brees, Rivers, etc.)

I agree it is not good for comparing current players to those of the 60s and 70s, but in general it is a good measuring tool.

The current passer rating stat is a joke.

Any clue how it's calculated?

http://www.baseball-statistics.com/Greats/Century/passer-rating.htm

=Z=

I am perfectly in agreement that the calculation is crazy or whatever. But when you look at the top 10 in passer rating in a given year, it is normally the 10 best QBs in the league, so it works fairly well.

2010: Brady, Rivers, Rodgers, Vick, Roehtlisberger, Freeman, Flacco, Cassel, Schaub, Manning (pretty good list there).
– You could make a good argument that No. 11 and No. 12 (Ryan and Brees) are better than a chunk of these guys, but as a whole, those are the 12 good QBs last year and they are 1-12.

2009: Brees, Favre, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Manning, Schaub, Romo, Brady, Warner
– Another pretty good list and shows that the passer rating (however it is calculated) is pretty good at showing who the top dogs are, even if they are in a slightly askewed order.

I don't love the passer rating stat for comparing all-time QBs because the eras are SO different and the stat is very different accordingly. But it is a very good measure of an individual season and at least worth noting for a career, especially careers post 1995.

EDIT: All that being said ... the more I read about the QBR ... the more it is growing on me.

Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1103575

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103497

Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1103490

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103447

Was some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever seen.

They are all over the place with this. It is like they are trying to "create" an OPS or WHIP for football and be the ones who can be credited with it.

It is moronic.

As is the current passer rating stat.

I appreciate a lot of what they are trying to do - especially finding a way NOT to reward a passer for throwing a 5-yard pass that someone like Percy turns into a 50-yard gain.

The current passer rating stat works. For the most part the highest rated ones are the best guys in the league (Manning, Brees, Rivers, etc.)

I agree it is not good for comparing current players to those of the 60s and 70s, but in general it is a good measuring tool.

The current passer rating stat is a joke.

Any clue how it's calculated?

http://www.baseball-statistics.com/Greats/Century/passer-rating.htm

=Z=

It's really not that comlicated. You only need 4 numbers:Attempts, completions, TD and Int. The QB rating is just quicker way to summarize the Qb's play.
I like the idea behind the QBR, uses more actors than just the 4 most basic stats. I wish it was more transparent though, nobody really knows the exact formula, we just accept them.
Many think stats are meaningless, but as midge points out the top rated QBs are almost always the top QBs, given a fair sample size.
Stats can tell alot. Vegas uses complex formulas for sports betting.

Pretty good read (but http://bleacherreport.com/articles/795125-explanation-of-the-new-qbr-total-quarterback-rating-for-the-nfllong). The example they use for is betting on the Vikings Saints playoff game.