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    Re: Emmitt Smith needs to shut the hell up.

    He wants a clean league now that he and
    his pot smoking buddy M.I. are out...
    I say screw Emmitt!! He sucked while at
    Dal and he still sucks now that he thinks
    he is a public speaker.
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    Re: Emmitt Smith needs to shut the hell up.

    midgensa, I never said emmitt did not deserve the Hall. I said he is over rated because he was on a very good team with an awesome offensive line. Walter Payton and Barry Sanders got there yards on talent and talent alone for the most part. Walter Payton was said to be the strongest man on his Bears teams. He would lower his head and run LB's over. Jim Brown was a man among boys, and Barry Sanders was, well Barry Sanders. If he would not have retired so early he would have Emmitts record.
    I guess using your train of thought that since Emmitt has more rings than the 3 of them makes him better, then the Hall of Fame had better be calling Dan Marino and Fran Tarkington and have a talk with them because they do not own a ring.
    Irvin was one of the best recievers of his time no doubt, but compare him to the recievers in the hall right now. He has the lower numbers than most of them. Steve largent has 100+ TD's as does Jerry Rice, Cris Carter has 100+ TD's. Lynn Swan has 12 post season TD's in fewer postseason games than Irvin, John Stallworth has 15 post season TD's ( I believe its 15) in fewer games. I dont mean to take away from Irvins accomplishments but to be in the hall of fame I feel you should have at least the equal numbers or better than those already in the hall, and Irvin does not. As for his 192 yards recieving, yes great game, Steve Smith had over 200 this year does that put him in the hall. I say it again the Hall of Fame is there for the greatest of ALL TIME not to someone who was very good in his time. The number of rings you have should not matter a hill of beans either, if that mattered there should be alot of unknown kickers, punters, and special teams players that should be in the hall as well. And yes you are right Irvin did have his best game in his first super bowl. What happened to the playmaker in the other 2???
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    Re: Emmitt Smith needs to shut the hell up.

    "ndakvikefan" wrote:
    midgensa, I never said emmitt did not deserve the Hall. I said he is over rated because he was on a very good team with an awesome offensive line. Walter Payton and Barry Sanders got there yards on talent and talent alone for the most part. Walter Payton was said to be the strongest man on his Bears teams. He would lower his head and run LB's over. Jim Brown was a man among boys, and Barry Sanders was, well Barry Sanders. If he would not have retired so early he would have Emmitts record.
    I guess using your train of thought that since Emmitt has more rings than the 3 of them makes him better, then the Hall of Fame had better be calling Dan Marino and Fran Tarkington and have a talk with them because they do not own a ring.
    Irvin was one of the best recievers of his time no doubt, but compare him to the recievers in the hall right now. He has the lower numbers than most of them. Steve largent has 100+ TD's as does Jerry Rice, Cris Carter has 100+ TD's. Lynn Swan has 12 post season TD's in fewer postseason games than Irvin, John Stallworth has 15 post season TD's ( I believe its 15) in fewer games. I dont mean to take away from Irvins accomplishments but to be in the hall of fame I feel you should have at least the equal numbers or better than those already in the hall, and Irvin does not. As for his 192 yards recieving, yes great game, Steve Smith had over 200 this year does that put him in the hall. I say it again the Hall of Fame is there for the greatest of ALL TIME not to someone who was very good in his time. The number of rings you have should not matter a hill of beans either, if that mattered there should be alot of unknown kickers, punters, and special teams players that should be in the hall as well. And yes you are right Irvin did have his best game in his first super bowl. What happened to the playmaker in the other 2???
    First off, read an argument before responding ... I did not say anything about Emmitt being a better back than any of the three you mentioned ... I even stated I thought all three of them were better than Emmitt ... I was stating that MOST say Emmitt is the fourth best back to have played and that is not being OVERRATED in any sense ... so your argument that Emmitt Smith is overrated makes no sense and I do not know what you are basing it on ... hell even while he was playing people said Barry Sanders was a better back and they still do today ... so where does him being overrated come from?
    Second ... you just make sh!t up often? Swann had 8 touchdowns in 13 postseason games and Stallworth had 12 in 15 games ... so get your facts at least close to right ... and BOTH averaged less catches and yards per playoff game than Michael Irvin and both don't have regular season stats as good is Irvin's ... and Irvin had much more than one good game in the playoffs I was just pointing out the dominating one because you chose to mention the others but leave that one, by the way he did perform well in Super Bowls (avg. 5.33 catches, 85 yards and .67 TDs)
    And finally ... since you cannot read ... I CLEARLY said that I thought Brown, Sanders and Payton were better than Emmitt, but did state the fact that Emmitt won three rings and the other guys won only two combined because it is a valid point ... by the way saying "Brown was a man among boys" and "Barry Sanders was Barry Sanders" are great arguments with all sorts of stats to back them up :roll: ... I never once said winning a ring or four gets you in the hall of fame ... you again are just making sh!t up ... but winning rings does help your cause in arguments ... otherwise Dan Marino would hands down be the best QB to ever play ... when 95 percent of people will tell you it is Joe Montana (some will argue John Elway or Johnny U., both of whom were also winners) because he got the job done ...
    So if you cannot accurately re-tread what someone says in their argument then please do not argue with them ... it simply makes you look ridiculous.

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    Re: Emmitt Smith needs to shut the hell up.

    "Del Rio" wrote:
    E. Smith was asking for the NFL to set some rules or some lists of acomplishments that need to be met to enter the NFL so it wouldn't be suseptable to grudges, and to ill will.

    I don't know about his idea.

    One thing is if they accepted his idea Jim Marhsall would be in.

    This is the thing about the hall of fame, it isn't numbers, and it isn't superbowls, what it is is how big of an impact you made on the sport. How much the media fed your glory, how much the people watching bought it.

    Statistically Irvin doesn't belong in the HOF imo, call me ignorant, go off on some huge rant about how you love Cowboy manbag on you, say what you want, I don't give a pooh.

    That's just it though it isn't statistics, it is how the majority of the media see's your achievements. All it takes is one guy remembering seeing Irvin make one big catch in one game to label him in his mind a playmaker.

    That is the problem, it is open to opinion, there are no standards. That is what E. Smith was saying he wants to attatch some sort of solid grading system to take the kaka del toro out of it.
    You are IGNORANT!! :lol: Just messing with ya ... actually figured you would be on the he deserves to get in side in this argument.

    I could see some of the arguments against him statistically ... but the football hall of fame has clearly become more than just statistics I think when they let a very inferior Lynn Swann in. Swann NEVER had more than 880 yards in a season, had less TDs than Irvin and less than HALF as many yards ... hell Alvin Harper had two very comparable years to Swann's average ... Swann was clearly put in for his postseason performance ... which Irvin also is very comparable in ... I just think of the 90s Boys and think of Troy, Emmitt and Michael on offense and all were clearly some of the best in the league and as good a "trio" as there has ever been (speaking of which ... how come Roger Craig is never mentioned in these arguments - he had almost as many receiving yards as Swann, more pro bowl appearances, and alot more rusing yards :lol.
    The pro football hall of fame does not seem to be all about stats like the baseball hall of fame that ... and in that aspect I do not see how Michael Irvin cannot be included.

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