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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    "cogitans" wrote:
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2984329

    Four-time Pro Bowl middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter will be job-hunting in the coming days after being released by the Philadelphia Eagles on Tuesday.

    A nine-year veteran, Trotter was informed of his status in a meeting with coach Andy Reid. The Eagles suggested that the now-unrestricted free agent consider retirement, but the 30-year-old's preference is to continue playing in the league. Trotter's release will become official when his name appears on the NFL's internal transactions wire this afternoon.

    Somebody in this thread will say it, so I'll say it first. Do we want him?
    Ok. I'll bite.

    I say yes. After we lost both Alexander on IR and Glenn who retired injured, I have thought we were a little thin in the LB depth. I think bringing in a proven veteran like Trotter could be meaningful.
    I think it would be great if we brought a Trotter in here!
    Not sure how he would fit into our defense...but would definetly make for some good competition!
    Don't count this out guys...he was an EAGLE!
    You know how Chili likes his eagles!

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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    "Zeus" wrote:
    Neither Alexander or Glenn was being counted upon to be a primary backup at any LB position.
    Those guys are Circiu, Thomas and Farwell.

    Signing Trotter would be a waste.

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    Ciurciu and Farwell are only meant to be special team guys. Thomas is the only true backup ILB we have. If worse comes to worse, Greg Blue or Brian Robison could be converted. They both have the ability to play linebacker - but inside wouldn't be the best choice for them. Let's just hope E.J. can do his job.

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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    Problem with Trotter is that he HAS to be in a certain system...otherwise he will not be effective.
    When he moved to the Redskins, he pretty much sucked.
    Only when he went back to the Eagles (where he had early success), did he revert to his earlier form.
    So UNLESS we are going to use him in the same exact system as Philly has, I would say NO!
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    "cajunvike" wrote:
    Problem with Trotter is that he HAS to be in a certain system...otherwise he will not be effective.
    When he moved to the Redskins, he pretty much sucked.
    Only when he went back to the Eagles (where he had early success), did he revert to his earlier form.
    So UNLESS we are going to use him in the same exact system as Philly has, I would say NO!
    You are high.
    Have to use the same exact system in order for him to be effective?
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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

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    Wait a week or two... if nobody signs him offer him a bag of peanuts and a tic tac to see if he'll come warm a bench for us.
    If E.J. chokes at MLB, or we sustain an injury, we'll have solid depth.
    I'm with you on this one, Bloody. As soon as I saw this thread I thought of New England's signing of Junior Seau last year. A lot of people thought it was a meaningless pickup, and I have to agree that he didn't do anything spectacular, but he did start 10 games, had 30 tackles (14 solo), and one sack. Not great, but he was nonetheless a starter on a defense that destroyed us last year and went deep into the playoffs.

    Meanwhile, Trotter started all 16 games last year, had and had 87 tackles (69 solo) and an interception. Obviously he still could have something of a career left. And for the record, I don't think he's as good as EJ at this point, but I would have no qualms with EJ proving it in a position battle. I do think Trotter is better than any of our backups though.

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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    "The" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    Wait a week or two... if nobody signs him offer him a bag of peanuts and a tic tac to see if he'll come warm a bench for us.
    If E.J. chokes at MLB, or we sustain an injury, we'll have solid depth.
    I'm with you on this one, Bloody. As soon as I saw this thread I thought of New England's signing of Junior Seau last year. A lot of people thought it was a meaningless pickup, and I have to agree that he didn't do anything spectacular, but he did start 10 games, had 30 tackles (14 solo), and one sack. Not great, but he was nonetheless a starter on a defense that destroyed us last year and went deep into the playoffs.

    Meanwhile, Trotter started all 16 games last year, had and had 87 tackles (69 solo) and an interception. Obviously he still could have something of a career left. And for the record, I don't think he's as good as EJ at this point, but I would have no qualms with EJ proving it in a position battle. I do think Trotter is better than any of our backups though.
    I'm not seeing anything to support that statement.

    Trotter:

    2005 Philadelphia 15
    102 19 121
    1.0 9
    1 2 0
    0 2 10 0

    2006 Philadelphia 16
    88 25 113
    0.0 0
    1 17 0
    0 1 4 0

    Henderson:

    2005 Minnesota 15
    55 22 77
    1.0 7
    0 0 0
    0 1 1 0

    2006 Minnesota 16
    77 33 110
    3.0 30
    2 48 1
    1 1 4 0

    Trotter is a 4-time pro-bowler... Henderson has been to... none.
    Keep in mind also, those massive 77 solo tackles by Henderson are the most he's had in any season of his career.

    Also, in Trotters second season in Washington, he had:

    2003 Washington 16
    92 23 115
    1.5 5
    1 21 0
    0 2 11 0

    92 solo tackles and I doubt they were running the exact same defense as Philly.

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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    "The" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    Wait a week or two... if nobody signs him offer him a bag of peanuts and a tic tac to see if he'll come warm a bench for us.
    If E.J. chokes at MLB, or we sustain an injury, we'll have solid depth.
    I'm with you on this one, Bloody. As soon as I saw this thread I thought of New England's signing of Junior Seau last year. A lot of people thought it was a meaningless pickup, and I have to agree that he didn't do anything spectacular, but he did start 10 games, had 30 tackles (14 solo), and one sack. Not great, but he was nonetheless a starter on a defense that destroyed us last year and went deep into the playoffs.

    Meanwhile, Trotter started all 16 games last year, had and had 87 tackles (69 solo) and an interception. Obviously he still could have something of a career left. And for the record, I don't think he's as good as EJ at this point, but I would have no qualms with EJ proving it in a position battle. I do think Trotter is better than any of our backups though.
    I'm not seeing anything to support that statement.

    Trotter:

    2005 Philadelphia 15
    102 19 121
    1.0 9
    1 2 0
    0 2 10 0

    2006 Philadelphia 16
    88 25 113
    0.0 0
    1 17 0
    0 1 4 0

    Henderson:

    2005 Minnesota 15
    55 22 77
    1.0 7
    0 0 0
    0 1 1 0

    2006 Minnesota 16
    77 33 110
    3.0 30
    2 48 1
    1 1 4 0

    Trotter is a 4-time pro-bowler... Henderson has been to... none.
    Keep in mind also, those massive 77 solo tackles by Henderson are the most he's had in any season of his career.

    Also, in Trotters second season in Washington, he had:

    2003 Washington 16
    92 23 115
    1.5 5
    1 21 0
    0 2 11 0

    92 solo tackles and I doubt they were running the exact same defense as Philly.

    Call it optimism, call it hope, whatever... but I think EJ is going to shine as our starting middle linebacker this year. I really don't see us signing Trotter.
    I'm a fan of our starting Linebackers as it stands now (Greenway, Henderson, Leber). I want to see what these guys have, because even in the preseason they seem to be making a bigger impact than anyone (minus Adrian) on our offense.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    "The" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    Wait a week or two... if nobody signs him offer him a bag of peanuts and a tic tac to see if he'll come warm a bench for us.
    If E.J. chokes at MLB, or we sustain an injury, we'll have solid depth.
    I'm with you on this one, Bloody. As soon as I saw this thread I thought of New England's signing of Junior Seau last year. A lot of people thought it was a meaningless pickup, and I have to agree that he didn't do anything spectacular, but he did start 10 games, had 30 tackles (14 solo), and one sack. Not great, but he was nonetheless a starter on a defense that destroyed us last year and went deep into the playoffs.

    Meanwhile, Trotter started all 16 games last year, had and had 87 tackles (69 solo) and an interception. Obviously he still could have something of a career left. And for the record, I don't think he's as good as EJ at this point, but I would have no qualms with EJ proving it in a position battle. I do think Trotter is better than any of our backups though.
    I'm not seeing anything to support that statement.

    Trotter:

    2005 Philadelphia 15

    102 19 121

    1.0 9

    1 2 0

    0 2 10 0


    2006 Philadelphia 16

    88 25 113

    0.0 0

    1 17 0

    0 1 4 0

    Henderson:

    2005 Minnesota 15

    55 22 77

    1.0 7

    0 0 0

    0 1 1 0


    2006 Minnesota 16

    77 33 110

    3.0 30

    2 48 1

    1 1 4 0

    Trotter is a 4-time pro-bowler... Henderson has been to... none.
    Keep in mind also, those massive 77 solo tackles by Henderson are the most he's had in any season of his career.

    Also, in Trotters second season in Washington, he had:

    2003 Washington 16

    92 23 115

    1.5 5

    1 21 0

    0 2 11 0

    92 solo tackles and I doubt they were running the exact same defense as Philly.

    Career Stats more

    Season Team
    Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
    G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
    2006
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    87 69 25 0.0 -- 3 1 17 17.0 17 0 -- --
    2005
    Philadelphia Eagles
    15
    15
    101 95 18 1.0 -- 8 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- --
    2004
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    9
    60 54 9 1.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- --

    2003
    Washington Redskins
    16
    16
    90 79 23 1.5 -- 10 1 21 21.0 21 0 -- --
    2002
    Washington Redskins
    12
    12
    59 47 32 0.0 -- 3 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- --

    2001
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    93 88 22 3.5 0 8 2 64 32.0 50T 1 -- --
    2000
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    0 0 0 3.0 0 0 1 27 27.0 27T 1 -- --
    1999
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    0 0 0 2.5 -- 0 2 30 15.0 30 0 -- --
    1998
    Philadelphia Eagles
    8
    0
    0 0 0 0.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- --
    TOTAL 490 432 129 12.5 0 33 9 163 -- 50 2 0 0


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    I see inconsistency from one year to the next.
    No doubt, he has had several good seasons...but if we were to consider him, he would have to accept the fact that EJ is the starter...and that he would have to sign for backup money.
    After all, he's no Donnie Edwards!
    :P
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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    You're right, Lucky; I didn't back it up with numbers because the numbers don't support my claim that EJ is better than Trotter. Nor do I think EJ will ultimately have a better career than Trotter has. But I do think that EJ is better right now, and his stats from last year are definitely comparable (if not better-EJ had two more sacks and an extra interception) with Trotter's. These, btw, came from NFL.com, and look slightly different than yours for whatever reason:

    Trotter:
    2006
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    87
    69
    25
    0.0

    3
    1
    17
    17.0
    17
    0

    Henderson
    2006
    Minnesota Vikings
    16
    16
    76
    73
    33
    3.0
    0
    2
    2
    48
    24.0
    45T
    1

    The main thing is that Trotter is getting up there in age and is likely to decline in the next couple of seasons, if he lasts that long. EJ meanwhile, is just coming into his prime methinks.

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    Re: Eagles continue shakeup on defense by releasing Trotter

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    "The" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    Wait a week or two... if nobody signs him offer him a bag of peanuts and a tic tac to see if he'll come warm a bench for us.
    If E.J. chokes at MLB, or we sustain an injury, we'll have solid depth.
    I'm with you on this one, Bloody. As soon as I saw this thread I thought of New England's signing of Junior Seau last year. A lot of people thought it was a meaningless pickup, and I have to agree that he didn't do anything spectacular, but he did start 10 games, had 30 tackles (14 solo), and one sack. Not great, but he was nonetheless a starter on a defense that destroyed us last year and went deep into the playoffs.

    Meanwhile, Trotter started all 16 games last year, had and had 87 tackles (69 solo) and an interception. Obviously he still could have something of a career left. And for the record, I don't think he's as good as EJ at this point, but I would have no qualms with EJ proving it in a position battle. I do think Trotter is better than any of our backups though.
    I'm not seeing anything to support that statement.

    Trotter:

    2005 Philadelphia 15

    102 19 121

    1.0 9

    1 2 0

    0 2 10 0


    2006 Philadelphia 16

    88 25 113

    0.0 0

    1 17 0

    0 1 4 0

    Henderson:

    2005 Minnesota 15

    55 22 77

    1.0 7

    0 0 0

    0 1 1 0


    2006 Minnesota 16

    77 33 110

    3.0 30

    2 48 1

    1 1 4 0

    Trotter is a 4-time pro-bowler... Henderson has been to... none.
    Keep in mind also, those massive 77 solo tackles by Henderson are the most he's had in any season of his career.

    Also, in Trotters second season in Washington, he had:

    2003 Washington 16

    92 23 115

    1.5 5

    1 21 0

    0 2 11 0

    92 solo tackles and I doubt they were running the exact same defense as Philly.

    Career Stats more

    Season Team
    Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
    G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
    2006
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    87 69 25 0.0 -- 3 1 17 17.0 17 0 -- --
    2005
    Philadelphia Eagles
    15
    15
    101 95 18 1.0 -- 8 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- --
    2004
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    9
    60 54 9 1.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- --

    2003
    Washington Redskins
    16
    16
    90 79 23 1.5 -- 10 1 21 21.0 21 0 -- --
    2002
    Washington Redskins
    12
    12
    59 47 32 0.0 -- 3 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- --

    2001
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    93 88 22 3.5 0 8 2 64 32.0 50T 1 -- --
    2000
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    0 0 0 3.0 0 0 1 27 27.0 27T 1 -- --
    1999
    Philadelphia Eagles
    16
    16
    0 0 0 2.5 -- 0 2 30 15.0 30 0 -- --
    1998
    Philadelphia Eagles
    8
    0
    0 0 0 0.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- --
    TOTAL 490 432 129 12.5 0 33 9 163 -- 50 2 0 0


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    I see inconsistency from one year to the next.
    No doubt, he has had several good seasons...but if we were to consider him, he would have to accept the fact that EJ is the starter...and that he would have to sign for backup money.
    After all, he's no Donnie Edwards!
    :P
    Perhaps he has had some down years but I would take them over the 66, 55, and 77 seasons that Henderson has had.
    Every year many Viking fans say this is EJ's year, blah blah blah... he hasn't shown yet that he deserves to be our starting MLB and I don't think this year will be any different.
    Hell, if he gets over 100 solo tackles this season, I'll record myself pouring gasoline on my crotch and light it on fire, then post it on PP.O.
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