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    Re: Derrick Mason may leave Baltimore

    "Garland" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    Don't get me wrong I think that Mason has had a solid career, But 35 year old WR? Yes he would be a great leader in the locker room, but how much does he have left?
    Should we go after him? Maybe, but only if there was no chance to get a guy like Holt, which seems like a possibility that he may be available and even though he is 32 has more long term potential on the team. Not opposed to getting him, but I think there may be better options available as well that should be and could be looked at first.
    Oh, I'm with you.
    Holt is a lot closer to his prime than Mason might be, and would be the best available (?) option.
    However, Mason is one helluva consolation prize, in my opinion.
    yeah, but i think he'd be the idea #2 next to BB... atleast until Rice/AA/Jaymar/Reynauld or some rook get their pooh together long enough to develop behind him.. he has about 1-3 years left in him.. IMO!
    Yeah definatly a #2 as he is more of a possesion WR,
    Which is exactly what whoever will be our QB needs. Not to turn this into another Tjack thread,AND IT SHOULDN'T GET TURNED INTO ONE EITHER but if we are stuck with him at QB he needs a a WR to stretch the field like Berrian does and a solid Veteran possesion WR Like a Mason/Holt type to have any chance of success. Plus having a guy like Wade in the slot as a 3rd option and if Rice has a turn around year and can be that Redzone threat.
    I am not opposed to having him here but I think that there are some other options to pursue first.
    I know we have issues on the Right side and at center.. but either we get a QB or at worst a receiver on the other side and that will go along way to solving alot of our problems, esp. with Shank and Taylor/AD in the backfield..

    I also think AD is more effective when he and taylor split carries 60/40.... he seems to have more pop when they are switching it up with both of those guys and keeping them fresh...

    I'm not a fan of giving it to AD 30x a game... he'll get 1, 2, 5, 3, 6, -1, and then 30.... you can't run an effective consistent offense with that kind of production!!...
    But thats how AD runs... He'll grind it out with some medium runs, then go for the knockout.


    Look at the SD game last year

    2, 5, 0, 17, 1, 1, 1, -2, 19, 0, 5, 7, -2, 6, 6, 64, 5, -2, 6, 10, 13, 5, 16, 19, 5, 3, 12, 46, 7, 35, 3

    And that was considered the best rushing performance EVER by a runningback.
    As you can tell by the numbers, he really started moving in the second half.
    This guy NEEDS carries.
    [/quote]

    Good point however it may also be a reason why he burnt out the end of the year in 2007.
    I would much rather have consistency throughout the year instead of inflation for the first 10-12 games then burning out when vying for a playoff spot.
    [/quote]

    Or perhaps he was "burnt out" because a) he's a rookie, and the "Rookie Wall" or b) he injured himself.

    he had the second most amount of carries this season in the NFL, why didn't he burn out this season?
    [/quote]

    no thank you. if T.O was available id be more in favor of getting him than Mason. Atleast with T.O. we'd be getting some sort of production.
    [/quote]

    really?
    Take a look at Mason's stats over the past 8 years.

    8558 yards
    68 y/g

    TO had
    9364 yards, 82 y/g

    TO's production is obviously better, but is that whole 14 yards per game worth the headaches he would bring to the team?
    No way in hell.
    [/quote]

    lol good post. to be honest, both of them had been declining. but T.O does give that threat, and would take pressure off AP by making the safety move back.. I dont think Mason would bring that, or affects a defense to play him that way.
    [/quote]

    8 years is a long stretch,
    and a career for some peopel. To really compare you need to look at the last 2 years a WR in his mid 20 comapired to a WR in his Mid 30's can be huge. Not saying Mason is bad, but realistacally its what can you do now and what can you bring now.
    Lets see what happens, who knows mason could very well be wearing a different shade of purple this year
    [/quote]

    alrighty,

    last 2 years

    Mason: 2124 yards
    TO: 2407 yards.


    Now, once again, TO has done better, but for a guy that nobody pays attention to, and plays for the Offensive Powerhouse known as the
    Baltimore Ravens, Thats pretty damn good.
    Whens the last time we've had a reciever put up 2000 yards over 2 seasons?
    Hell, whens the last time we had a 1600 yard reciever over 2 years?
    Not since Moss

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    Re: Derrick Mason may leave Baltimore

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=ejmat link=topic=50932.msg920459#msg920459 date=1236701150]
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=50932.msg920455#msg920455 date=1236701036]
    [quote author=bleedpurple link=topic=50932.msg920445#msg920445 date=1236700408]
    [quote author=Garland Greene link=topic=50932.msg920431#msg920431 date=1236698937]
    [quote author=bleedpurple link=topic=50932.msg920400#msg920400 date=1236694756]
    [quote author=Ranger link=topic=50932.msg920386#msg920386 date=1236692746]
    [quote author=Garland Greene link=topic=50932.msg920383#msg920383 date=1236692447]
    Don't get me wrong I think that Mason has had a solid career, But 35 year old WR? Yes he would be a great leader in the locker room, but how much does he have left?
    Should we go after him? Maybe, but only if there was no chance to get a guy like Holt, which seems like a possibility that he may be available and even though he is 32 has more long term potential on the team. Not opposed to getting him, but I think there may be better options available as well that should be and could be looked at first.
    Oh, I'm with you.
    Holt is a lot closer to his prime than Mason might be, and would be the best available (?) option.
    However, Mason is one helluva consolation prize, in my opinion.
    yeah, but i think he'd be the idea #2 next to BB... atleast until Rice/AA/Jaymar/Reynauld or some rook get their pooh together long enough to develop behind him.. he has about 1-3 years left in him.. IMO!
    Yeah definatly a #2 as he is more of a possesion WR,
    Which is exactly what whoever will be our QB needs. Not to turn this into another Tjack thread,AND IT SHOULDN'T GET TURNED INTO ONE EITHER but if we are stuck with him at QB he needs a a WR to stretch the field like Berrian does and a solid Veteran possesion WR Like a Mason/Holt type to have any chance of success. Plus having a guy like Wade in the slot as a 3rd option and if Rice has a turn around year and can be that Redzone threat.
    I am not opposed to having him here but I think that there are some other options to pursue first.
    I know we have issues on the Right side and at center.. but either we get a QB or at worst a receiver on the other side and that will go along way to solving alot of our problems, esp. with Shank and Taylor/AD in the backfield..

    I also think AD is more effective when he and taylor split carries 60/40.... he seems to have more pop when they are switching it up with both of those guys and keeping them fresh...

    I'm not a fan of giving it to AD 30x a game... he'll get 1, 2, 5, 3, 6, -1, and then 30.... you can't run an effective consistent offense with that kind of production!!...
    But thats how AD runs... He'll grind it out with some medium runs, then go for the knockout.


    Look at the SD game last year

    2, 5, 0, 17, 1, 1, 1, -2, 19, 0, 5, 7, -2, 6, 6, 64, 5, -2, 6, 10, 13, 5, 16, 19, 5, 3, 12, 46, 7, 35, 3

    And that was considered the best rushing performance EVER by a runningback.
    As you can tell by the numbers, he really started moving in the second half.
    This guy NEEDS carries.
    [/quote]

    Good point however it may also be a reason why he burnt out the end of the year in 2007.
    I would much rather have consistency throughout the year instead of inflation for the first 10-12 games then burning out when vying for a playoff spot.
    [/quote]

    Or perhaps he was "burnt out" because a) he's a rookie, and the "Rookie Wall" or b) he injured himself.

    he had the second most amount of carries this season in the NFL, why didn't he burn out this season?
    [/quote]

    no thank you. if T.O was available id be more in favor of getting him than Mason. Atleast with T.O. we'd be getting some sort of production.
    [/quote]

    really?
    Take a look at Mason's stats over the past 8 years.

    8558 yards
    68 y/g

    TO had
    9364 yards, 82 y/g

    TO's production is obviously better, but is that whole 14 yards per game worth the headaches he would bring to the team?
    No way in hell.
    [/quote]

    lol good post. to be honest, both of them had been declining. but T.O does give that threat, and would take pressure off AP by making the safety move back.. I dont think Mason would bring that, or affects a defense to play him that way.
    [/quote]


    TO also brings media attention, locker room disputes and a general dislike amongst teammates.
    The team does not respect TO, he's a Me-first type of player, one that will never be a viking.

    Last season, TO caught 69 passes for 1052 yards on a high flying Dallas offense
    Mason caught 80 passes for 1037 yards, on an anemic Baltimore Offense

    TO has also led the league in drops multiple times, I highly doubt Mason has done that even once

    Mason is an underrated playmaker.
    [/quote]

    those stats of T.O. are not entirely accurate.. that high flying dallas offense was without Romo for a good 3 weeks.


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    Re: Derrick Mason may leave Baltimore

    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    [quote author=ejmat link=topic=50932.msg920459#msg920459 date=1236701150]
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=50932.msg920455#msg920455 date=1236701036]
    [quote author=bleedpurple link=topic=50932.msg920445#msg920445 date=1236700408]
    [quote author=Garland Greene link=topic=50932.msg920431#msg920431 date=1236698937]
    [quote author=bleedpurple link=topic=50932.msg920400#msg920400 date=1236694756]
    [quote author=Ranger link=topic=50932.msg920386#msg920386 date=1236692746]
    [quote author=Garland Greene link=topic=50932.msg920383#msg920383 date=1236692447]
    Don't get me wrong I think that Mason has had a solid career, But 35 year old WR? Yes he would be a great leader in the locker room, but how much does he have left?
    Should we go after him? Maybe, but only if there was no chance to get a guy like Holt, which seems like a possibility that he may be available and even though he is 32 has more long term potential on the team. Not opposed to getting him, but I think there may be better options available as well that should be and could be looked at first.
    Oh, I'm with you.
    Holt is a lot closer to his prime than Mason might be, and would be the best available (?) option.
    However, Mason is one helluva consolation prize, in my opinion.
    yeah, but i think he'd be the idea #2 next to BB... atleast until Rice/AA/Jaymar/Reynauld or some rook get their pooh together long enough to develop behind him.. he has about 1-3 years left in him.. IMO!
    Yeah definatly a #2 as he is more of a possesion WR,
    Which is exactly what whoever will be our QB needs. Not to turn this into another Tjack thread,AND IT SHOULDN'T GET TURNED INTO ONE EITHER but if we are stuck with him at QB he needs a a WR to stretch the field like Berrian does and a solid Veteran possesion WR Like a Mason/Holt type to have any chance of success. Plus having a guy like Wade in the slot as a 3rd option and if Rice has a turn around year and can be that Redzone threat.
    I am not opposed to having him here but I think that there are some other options to pursue first.
    I know we have issues on the Right side and at center.. but either we get a QB or at worst a receiver on the other side and that will go along way to solving alot of our problems, esp. with Shank and Taylor/AD in the backfield..

    I also think AD is more effective when he and taylor split carries 60/40.... he seems to have more pop when they are switching it up with both of those guys and keeping them fresh...

    I'm not a fan of giving it to AD 30x a game... he'll get 1, 2, 5, 3, 6, -1, and then 30.... you can't run an effective consistent offense with that kind of production!!...
    But thats how AD runs... He'll grind it out with some medium runs, then go for the knockout.


    Look at the SD game last year

    2, 5, 0, 17, 1, 1, 1, -2, 19, 0, 5, 7, -2, 6, 6, 64, 5, -2, 6, 10, 13, 5, 16, 19, 5, 3, 12, 46, 7, 35, 3

    And that was considered the best rushing performance EVER by a runningback.
    As you can tell by the numbers, he really started moving in the second half.
    This guy NEEDS carries.
    [/quote]

    Good point however it may also be a reason why he burnt out the end of the year in 2007.
    I would much rather have consistency throughout the year instead of inflation for the first 10-12 games then burning out when vying for a playoff spot.
    [/quote]

    Or perhaps he was "burnt out" because a) he's a rookie, and the "Rookie Wall" or b) he injured himself.

    he had the second most amount of carries this season in the NFL, why didn't he burn out this season?
    [/quote]

    no thank you. if T.O was available id be more in favor of getting him than Mason. Atleast with T.O. we'd be getting some sort of production.
    [/quote]

    really?
    Take a look at Mason's stats over the past 8 years.

    8558 yards
    68 y/g

    TO had
    9364 yards, 82 y/g

    TO's production is obviously better, but is that whole 14 yards per game worth the headaches he would bring to the team?
    No way in hell.
    [/quote]

    lol good post. to be honest, both of them had been declining. but T.O does give that threat, and would take pressure off AP by making the safety move back.. I dont think Mason would bring that, or affects a defense to play him that way.
    [/quote]


    TO also brings media attention, locker room disputes and a general dislike amongst teammates.
    The team does not respect TO, he's a Me-first type of player, one that will never be a viking.

    Last season, TO caught 69 passes for 1052 yards on a high flying Dallas offense
    Mason caught 80 passes for 1037 yards, on an anemic Baltimore Offense

    TO has also led the league in drops multiple times, I highly doubt Mason has done that even once

    Mason is an underrated playmaker.
    [/quote]

    those stats of T.O. are not entirely accurate.. that high flying dallas offense was without Romo for a good 3 weeks.
    [/quote]

    ok, he had 100 yards over those 3 games, or 33.3 per game, lets add another 50 per game to meet his average,

    that makes 1200 yards, which is certainly respectable, but still not that much of an upgrade over Mason that it would warrant putting up all his crap.
    If i had the choice between getting TO and Mason, for identical, dirt-cheap contracts, i would pick Mason in a heartbeat.
    TO has devastated every team he's been on.

    after he left the 49ers, the team was in disarray, and are still a bottom team in the NFC, after he left the eagles, they somehow turned to crap.
    i bet the same will happen with the cowboys.
    He causes a media circus, gets teammates and coaches mad at each other.
    Not something you need for a winning environment.

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    Re: Derrick Mason may leave Baltimore

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    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=Sajid28 link=topic=50932.msg920480#msg920480 date=1236704005]
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    [quote author=bleedpurple link=topic=50932.msg920400#msg920400 date=1236694756]
    [quote author=Ranger link=topic=50932.msg920386#msg920386 date=1236692746]
    [quote author=Garland Greene link=topic=50932.msg920383#msg920383 date=1236692447]
    Don't get me wrong I think that Mason has had a solid career, But 35 year old WR? Yes he would be a great leader in the locker room, but how much does he have left?
    Should we go after him? Maybe, but only if there was no chance to get a guy like Holt, which seems like a possibility that he may be available and even though he is 32 has more long term potential on the team. Not opposed to getting him, but I think there may be better options available as well that should be and could be looked at first.
    Oh, I'm with you.
    Holt is a lot closer to his prime than Mason might be, and would be the best available (?) option.
    However, Mason is one helluva consolation prize, in my opinion.
    yeah, but i think he'd be the idea #2 next to BB... atleast until Rice/AA/Jaymar/Reynauld or some rook get their pooh together long enough to develop behind him.. he has about 1-3 years left in him.. IMO!
    Yeah definatly a #2 as he is more of a possesion WR,
    Which is exactly what whoever will be our QB needs. Not to turn this into another Tjack thread,AND IT SHOULDN'T GET TURNED INTO ONE EITHER but if we are stuck with him at QB he needs a a WR to stretch the field like Berrian does and a solid Veteran possesion WR Like a Mason/Holt type to have any chance of success. Plus having a guy like Wade in the slot as a 3rd option and if Rice has a turn around year and can be that Redzone threat.
    I am not opposed to having him here but I think that there are some other options to pursue first.
    I know we have issues on the Right side and at center.. but either we get a QB or at worst a receiver on the other side and that will go along way to solving alot of our problems, esp. with Shank and Taylor/AD in the backfield..

    I also think AD is more effective when he and taylor split carries 60/40.... he seems to have more pop when they are switching it up with both of those guys and keeping them fresh...

    I'm not a fan of giving it to AD 30x a game... he'll get 1, 2, 5, 3, 6, -1, and then 30.... you can't run an effective consistent offense with that kind of production!!...
    But thats how AD runs... He'll grind it out with some medium runs, then go for the knockout.


    Look at the SD game last year

    2, 5, 0, 17, 1, 1, 1, -2, 19, 0, 5, 7, -2, 6, 6, 64, 5, -2, 6, 10, 13, 5, 16, 19, 5, 3, 12, 46, 7, 35, 3

    And that was considered the best rushing performance EVER by a runningback.
    As you can tell by the numbers, he really started moving in the second half.
    This guy NEEDS carries.
    [/quote]

    Good point however it may also be a reason why he burnt out the end of the year in 2007.
    I would much rather have consistency throughout the year instead of inflation for the first 10-12 games then burning out when vying for a playoff spot.
    [/quote]

    Or perhaps he was "burnt out" because a) he's a rookie, and the "Rookie Wall" or b) he injured himself.

    he had the second most amount of carries this season in the NFL, why didn't he burn out this season?
    [/quote]

    no thank you. if T.O was available id be more in favor of getting him than Mason. Atleast with T.O. we'd be getting some sort of production.
    [/quote]

    really?
    Take a look at Mason's stats over the past 8 years.

    8558 yards
    68 y/g

    TO had
    9364 yards, 82 y/g

    TO's production is obviously better, but is that whole 14 yards per game worth the headaches he would bring to the team?
    No way in hell.
    [/quote]

    lol good post. to be honest, both of them had been declining. but T.O does give that threat, and would take pressure off AP by making the safety move back.. I dont think Mason would bring that, or affects a defense to play him that way.
    [/quote]


    TO also brings media attention, locker room disputes and a general dislike amongst teammates.
    The team does not respect TO, he's a Me-first type of player, one that will never be a viking.

    Last season, TO caught 69 passes for 1052 yards on a high flying Dallas offense
    Mason caught 80 passes for 1037 yards, on an anemic Baltimore Offense

    TO has also led the league in drops multiple times, I highly doubt Mason has done that even once

    Mason is an underrated playmaker.
    [/quote]

    those stats of T.O. are not entirely accurate.. that high flying dallas offense was without Romo for a good 3 weeks.
    [/quote]

    ok, he had 100 yards over those 3 games, or 33.3 per game, lets add another 50 per game to meet his average,

    that makes 1200 yards, which is certainly respectable, but still not that much of an upgrade over Mason that it would warrant putting up all his crap.
    If i had the choice between getting TO and Mason, for identical, dirt-cheap contracts, i would pick Mason in a heartbeat.
    TO has devastated every team he's been on.

    after he left the 49ers, the team was in disarray, and are still a bottom team in the NFC, after he left the eagles, they somehow turned to crap.
    i bet the same will happen with the cowboys.
    He causes a media circus, gets teammates and coaches mad at each other.
    Not something you need for a winning environment.
    [/quote]

    yeah but when he left those teams didn't have guys in place to replace him.. Dallas has Roy Williams and a nice cast of characters like Witten Barber and Jones...

    so i think they will be just fine without him.. better than last year for sure...

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    Re: Derrick Mason may leave Baltimore

    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=50932.msg920483#msg920483 date=1236704336]
    [quote author=Sajid28 link=topic=50932.msg920480#msg920480 date=1236704005]
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    [quote author=bleedpurple link=topic=50932.msg920400#msg920400 date=1236694756]
    [quote author=Ranger link=topic=50932.msg920386#msg920386 date=1236692746]
    [quote author=Garland Greene link=topic=50932.msg920383#msg920383 date=1236692447]
    Don't get me wrong I think that Mason has had a solid career, But 35 year old WR? Yes he would be a great leader in the locker room, but how much does he have left?
    Should we go after him? Maybe, but only if there was no chance to get a guy like Holt, which seems like a possibility that he may be available and even though he is 32 has more long term potential on the team. Not opposed to getting him, but I think there may be better options available as well that should be and could be looked at first.
    Oh, I'm with you.
    Holt is a lot closer to his prime than Mason might be, and would be the best available (?) option.
    However, Mason is one helluva consolation prize, in my opinion.
    yeah, but i think he'd be the idea #2 next to BB... atleast until Rice/AA/Jaymar/Reynauld or some rook get their pooh together long enough to develop behind him.. he has about 1-3 years left in him.. IMO!
    Yeah definatly a #2 as he is more of a possesion WR,
    Which is exactly what whoever will be our QB needs. Not to turn this into another Tjack thread,AND IT SHOULDN'T GET TURNED INTO ONE EITHER but if we are stuck with him at QB he needs a a WR to stretch the field like Berrian does and a solid Veteran possesion WR Like a Mason/Holt type to have any chance of success. Plus having a guy like Wade in the slot as a 3rd option and if Rice has a turn around year and can be that Redzone threat.
    I am not opposed to having him here but I think that there are some other options to pursue first.
    I know we have issues on the Right side and at center.. but either we get a QB or at worst a receiver on the other side and that will go along way to solving alot of our problems, esp. with Shank and Taylor/AD in the backfield..

    I also think AD is more effective when he and taylor split carries 60/40.... he seems to have more pop when they are switching it up with both of those guys and keeping them fresh...

    I'm not a fan of giving it to AD 30x a game... he'll get 1, 2, 5, 3, 6, -1, and then 30.... you can't run an effective consistent offense with that kind of production!!...
    But thats how AD runs... He'll grind it out with some medium runs, then go for the knockout.


    Look at the SD game last year

    2, 5, 0, 17, 1, 1, 1, -2, 19, 0, 5, 7, -2, 6, 6, 64, 5, -2, 6, 10, 13, 5, 16, 19, 5, 3, 12, 46, 7, 35, 3

    And that was considered the best rushing performance EVER by a runningback.
    As you can tell by the numbers, he really started moving in the second half.
    This guy NEEDS carries.
    [/quote]

    Good point however it may also be a reason why he burnt out the end of the year in 2007.
    I would much rather have consistency throughout the year instead of inflation for the first 10-12 games then burning out when vying for a playoff spot.
    [/quote]

    Or perhaps he was "burnt out" because a) he's a rookie, and the "Rookie Wall" or b) he injured himself.

    he had the second most amount of carries this season in the NFL, why didn't he burn out this season?
    [/quote]

    no thank you. if T.O was available id be more in favor of getting him than Mason. Atleast with T.O. we'd be getting some sort of production.
    [/quote]

    really?
    Take a look at Mason's stats over the past 8 years.

    8558 yards
    68 y/g

    TO had
    9364 yards, 82 y/g

    TO's production is obviously better, but is that whole 14 yards per game worth the headaches he would bring to the team?
    No way in hell.
    [/quote]

    lol good post. to be honest, both of them had been declining. but T.O does give that threat, and would take pressure off AP by making the safety move back.. I dont think Mason would bring that, or affects a defense to play him that way.
    [/quote]


    TO also brings media attention, locker room disputes and a general dislike amongst teammates.
    The team does not respect TO, he's a Me-first type of player, one that will never be a viking.

    Last season, TO caught 69 passes for 1052 yards on a high flying Dallas offense
    Mason caught 80 passes for 1037 yards, on an anemic Baltimore Offense

    TO has also led the league in drops multiple times, I highly doubt Mason has done that even once

    Mason is an underrated playmaker.
    [/quote]

    those stats of T.O. are not entirely accurate.. that high flying dallas offense was without Romo for a good 3 weeks.
    [/quote]

    ok, he had 100 yards over those 3 games, or 33.3 per game, lets add another 50 per game to meet his average,

    that makes 1200 yards, which is certainly respectable, but still not that much of an upgrade over Mason that it would warrant putting up all his crap.
    If i had the choice between getting TO and Mason, for identical, dirt-cheap contracts, i would pick Mason in a heartbeat.
    TO has devastated every team he's been on.

    after he left the 49ers, the team was in disarray, and are still a bottom team in the NFC, after he left the eagles, they somehow turned to crap.
    i bet the same will happen with the cowboys.
    He causes a media circus, gets teammates and coaches mad at each other.
    Not something you need for a winning environment.
    [/quote]

    yeah but when he left those teams didn't have guys in place to replace him.. Dallas has Roy Williams and a nice cast of characters like Witten Barber and Jones...

    so i think they will be just fine without him.. better than last year for sure...
    [/quote]

    Why do you think they'll do better than last year?
    Would it be because TO is no longer on the team causing a HUGE distraction on Offense?
    Whats worse than having your starting QB go down with an injury?
    Is having your starting qb go down, then have your jackass reciever calling out the backup, TE, and OC.
    With all that talent, there is no reason they shouldn't win a couple of playoff games, but they're having trouble even making the playoffs.

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    Re: Derrick Mason may leave Baltimore

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    Don't get me wrong I think that Mason has had a solid career, But 35 year old WR? Yes he would be a great leader in the locker room, but how much does he have left?
    Should we go after him? Maybe, but only if there was no chance to get a guy like Holt, which seems like a possibility that he may be available and even though he is 32 has more long term potential on the team. Not opposed to getting him, but I think there may be better options available as well that should be and could be looked at first.
    Oh, I'm with you.
    Holt is a lot closer to his prime than Mason might be, and would be the best available (?) option.
    However, Mason is one helluva consolation prize, in my opinion.
    yeah, but i think he'd be the idea #2 next to BB... atleast until Rice/AA/Jaymar/Reynauld or some rook get their pooh together long enough to develop behind him.. he has about 1-3 years left in him.. IMO!
    Yeah definatly a #2 as he is more of a possesion WR,
    Which is exactly what whoever will be our QB needs. Not to turn this into another Tjack thread,AND IT SHOULDN'T GET TURNED INTO ONE EITHER but if we are stuck with him at QB he needs a a WR to stretch the field like Berrian does and a solid Veteran possesion WR Like a Mason/Holt type to have any chance of success. Plus having a guy like Wade in the slot as a 3rd option and if Rice has a turn around year and can be that Redzone threat.
    I am not opposed to having him here but I think that there are some other options to pursue first.
    I know we have issues on the Right side and at center.. but either we get a QB or at worst a receiver on the other side and that will go along way to solving alot of our problems, esp. with Shank and Taylor/AD in the backfield..

    I also think AD is more effective when he and taylor split carries 60/40.... he seems to have more pop when they are switching it up with both of those guys and keeping them fresh...

    I'm not a fan of giving it to AD 30x a game... he'll get 1, 2, 5, 3, 6, -1, and then 30.... you can't run an effective consistent offense with that kind of production!!...
    But thats how AD runs... He'll grind it out with some medium runs, then go for the knockout.


    Look at the SD game last year

    2, 5, 0, 17, 1, 1, 1, -2, 19, 0, 5, 7, -2, 6, 6, 64, 5, -2, 6, 10, 13, 5, 16, 19, 5, 3, 12, 46, 7, 35, 3

    And that was considered the best rushing performance EVER by a runningback.
    As you can tell by the numbers, he really started moving in the second half.
    This guy NEEDS carries.
    [/quote]

    Good point however it may also be a reason why he burnt out the end of the year in 2007.
    I would much rather have consistency throughout the year instead of inflation for the first 10-12 games then burning out when vying for a playoff spot.
    [/quote]

    Or perhaps he was "burnt out" because a) he's a rookie, and the "Rookie Wall" or b) he injured himself.

    he had the second most amount of carries this season in the NFL, why didn't he burn out this season?
    [/quote]

    no thank you. if T.O was available id be more in favor of getting him than Mason. Atleast with T.O. we'd be getting some sort of production.
    [/quote]

    really?
    Take a look at Mason's stats over the past 8 years.

    8558 yards
    68 y/g

    TO had
    9364 yards, 82 y/g

    TO's production is obviously better, but is that whole 14 yards per game worth the headaches he would bring to the team?
    No way in hell.
    [/quote]

    lol good post. to be honest, both of them had been declining. but T.O does give that threat, and would take pressure off AP by making the safety move back.. I dont think Mason would bring that, or affects a defense to play him that way.
    [/quote]


    TO also brings media attention, locker room disputes and a general dislike amongst teammates.
    The team does not respect TO, he's a Me-first type of player, one that will never be a viking.

    Last season, TO caught 69 passes for 1052 yards on a high flying Dallas offense
    Mason caught 80 passes for 1037 yards, on an anemic Baltimore Offense

    TO has also led the league in drops multiple times, I highly doubt Mason has done that even once

    Mason is an underrated playmaker.
    [/quote]

    those stats of T.O. are not entirely accurate.. that high flying dallas offense was without Romo for a good 3 weeks.
    [/quote]

    ok, he had 100 yards over those 3 games, or 33.3 per game, lets add another 50 per game to meet his average,

    that makes 1200 yards, which is certainly respectable, but still not that much of an upgrade over Mason that it would warrant putting up all his crap.
    If i had the choice between getting TO and Mason, for identical, dirt-cheap contracts, i would pick Mason in a heartbeat.
    TO has devastated every team he's been on.

    after he left the 49ers, the team was in disarray, and are still a bottom team in the NFC, after he left the eagles, they somehow turned to crap.
    i bet the same will happen with the cowboys.
    He causes a media circus, gets teammates and coaches mad at each other.
    Not something you need for a winning environment.
    [/quote]

    yeah but when he left those teams didn't have guys in place to replace him.. Dallas has Roy Williams and a nice cast of characters like Witten Barber and Jones...

    so i think they will be just fine without him.. better than last year for sure...
    [/quote]

    Why do you think they'll do better than last year?
    Would it be because TO is no longer on the team causing a HUGE distraction on Offense?
    Whats worse than having your starting QB go down with an injury?
    Is having your starting qb go down, then have your j~~~~~~s reciever calling out the backup, TE, and OC.
    With all that talent, there is no reason they shouldn't win a couple of playoff games, but they're having trouble even making the playoffs.
    [/quote]

    i think it was all of the above... Felix jones injury, romo injury, and the distraction... with that said, when romo came back they still imploded in that philly game... and lost what? 2 of 3 down the stretch?..

    I think they will be better bc of locker room chemistry.. but with that said, Romo isnt' exactly a QB that has proven he can play in december and beyond... between fumbled FG's to cabo trips to forcing throws this past year.. i'd say the jury remains out on his as well...

    I still think they will be better bc romo will be able to spread the ball around and hit who's open instead of having TO either drop key passes or forcing the ball to him... A. B. C (all of the above)..

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