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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "Overlord" wrote:
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    I can't believe everyone is on the owner's side and not the players (who gets used up and put away quick).
    A player must play to his contract, but a team can drop a player anytime and only pay the guaranteed money if that.
    My point is that noone is questioning the 49ers and their inability to get a deal done.
    The reason no one is questioning the 49ers here is that every indication is that they are offering Crabtree a contract in line with where he was picked in the draft, while his side has demanded significantly more than that amount.
    People have an idea of what is 'fair' based on what has come before.
    The 49ers appear to be offering a 'fair' deal.

    If the report was 'Crabtree Wants Fair Value, 49ers Continue to Low-ball,' then people would ask why the 49ers drafted him if they weren't willing to pay for him.

    And then from an intelligence standpoint, Crabtree has a lot more to lose than the 49ers.
    He will not see this kind of money again next year if he holds out.
    The 49ers could sign another pretty good receiver (on the order of a Houshmanzadeh or Berrian) in free agency next year for the cash Crabtree is supposedly asking for ($40 million/6 yrs).
    It's not a strong bargaining position, which is why you just don't see players do it.

    Rookie caps... do you think that the owners will pay the rookies less, so they will just freely give that money to the veterans because it's the right thing to do???
    No freaking way.
    they will pocket that money and call it profit.
    All the while the new, exciting rookies come in and generate buzz and ticket sales while bound to slavery type contracts making less?
    I think you're right here, and this was the Union's position at one point (not sure if it still is with new leadership).
    They prefer high rookie salaries in order to set the floor for new contracts for veteran players.

    The big thing is how much the salary cap grows.
    If it grows quickly like it has the past several years, then long-term player salaries aren't going to keep up and you have every team with millions of dollars in cap space left-over.
    If the cap is stagnant, then teams are going to be right up against it and every dollar you save will be spent on someone else.

    Right now the cap has been growing so fast that not paying rookies won't do much if anything to increase veteran salaries, while high rookie salaries can be used as negotiating tools for veterans.

    Just look at AD...
    spending this next two years (prime time) making less than chester taylor.
    The nature of these contracts is that some years you see more cash than others.
    In particular, the players like to see a lot up-front.
    Over the term of his contract, AD is making something like $5 million/year plus some significant incentives that could bring him near $7 million/year (link).
    Chester Taylor's four-year contract was $3.5 million/year (link).
    AD is making more, even if in a particular year he will see less cash.
    In fact, AD's contract is more in line with the recent big-time veteran running backs when they extended - Tomlinson ($6 mil/year), Larry Johnson ($7.5 mil/year), and Westbrook ($7 mil/year) - than with Taylor's contract signed as a backup moving into a starting role.
    Very good post Overlord.

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    Bottom line is Crabtree needs to sign the contract.
    He goes back into the draft, I guarantee you he will not go this high again.
    His contract next year will be 1/2 or less that what he could get just by signing his name.
    He would be an idiot not to think about it and get into a 49er uniform.
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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    Ur right KG

    Hes just an idiot

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "--KG--" wrote:
    Bottom line is Crabtree needs to sign the contract.
    He goes back into the draft, I guarantee you he will not go this high again.
    His contract next year will be 1/2 or less that what he could get just by signing his name.
    He would be an idiot not to think about it and get into a 49er uniform.
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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "--KG--" wrote:
    Bottom line is Crabtree needs to sign the contract.
    He goes back into the draft, I guarantee you he will not go this high again.
    His contract next year will be 1/2 or less that what he could get just by signing his name.
    He would be an idiot not to think about it and get into a 49er uniform.
    Agreed
    You also need to take into consideration: The new contract next year must be high enough to compensate for this years lost income, interest on said money, potential for endorsements, and the life long stigma of being a holdout and screwing the 9ers, etc.

    Who really wants a money grubbing egotistical cry baby to endorse their product?

    Actually, Pampers could put him in a diaper with him reaching through the bars of his crib for a stack of money.
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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "--KG--" wrote:
    Bottom line is Crabtree needs to sign the contract.
    He goes back into the draft, I guarantee you he will not go this high again.
    His contract next year will be 1/2 or less that what he could get just by signing his name.
    He would be an idiot not to think about it and get into a 49er uniform.
    Agreed
    I agree as well for how the system is set up.
    Crab, me thinks, is making some sort of stand for moral or some other reason.
    Maybe he knows he's a bit more injured than the docs know and he needs another year off to fully heal?

    Just doesn't make sense, or the 49ers are really being turds.
    By stating that the total offer will be going down little by little surely points to negotiations not going well.

    The teams hold the power in these negotiations, what play does the draftee have??
    This is about it.



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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "--KG--" wrote:
    Bottom line is Crabtree needs to sign the contract.
    He goes back into the draft, I guarantee you he will not go this high again.
    His contract next year will be 1/2 or less that what he could get just by signing his name.
    He would be an idiot not to think about it and get into a 49er uniform.
    +1

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "gagarr" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "--KG--" wrote:
    Bottom line is Crabtree needs to sign the contract.
    He goes back into the draft, I guarantee you he will not go this high again.
    His contract next year will be 1/2 or less that what he could get just by signing his name.
    He would be an idiot not to think about it and get into a 49er uniform.
    Agreed
    You also need to take into consideration: The new contract next year must be high enough to compensate for this years lost income, interest on said money, potential for endorsements, and the life long stigma of being a holdout and screwing the 9ers, etc.

    Who really wants a money grubbing egotistical cry baby to endorse their product?

    Actually, Pampers could put him in a diaper with him reaching through the bars of his crib for a stack of money.
    With a caption: "Our diapers can handle any piece of crap, regardless of how big"
    LMAO
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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

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    This whole thing is just silly.
    I don't think he should be allowed to reenter the draft next year.
    The rules should be changed.
    San Fran, or any team that drafts a guy should own his rights for at least 3 years.
    If the guy doesn't like it too bad.
    Absolutely agree.

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    He should be slotted as follows:

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    B.J. Raji 5 years, $28.5 million ($18M guaranteed)
    10. Michael Crabtree 5 years, $27 million ($16.5 M guaranteed)
    11. Aaron Maybin 5 years, $25 million ($15M guaranteed)

    There should be nothing to "negotiate" and no reason for any draftpick to holdout.

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