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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    That is an interesting question.
    I will tell you this.
    If anything good comes out of this maybe the NFL and the NFLPA will see that the salaries given to these rookies that have never played a down in the NFL is downright ridiculous.
    The system they currently have doesn't work.
    They need to have a cap per position picked and be done with it.
    That might come after a lockout that could be coming as well, there's several reasons that this is so dangerous.....I wonder how much Deon and his agent are loaning him dollarwise to go with their crappy advice

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    Boy, talk about being penny wise and pound foolish.
    I'm all for people trying to make as much money as they can but he is losing money everyday he's not playing and diminishing his value to make money down the road.
    He should focus more on trying to land a bigger contract three or four years down the road.

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

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    Boy, talk about being penny wise and pound foolish.
    I'm all for people trying to make as much money as they can but he is losing money everyday he's not playing and diminishing his value to make money down the road.
    He should focus more on trying to land a bigger contract three or four years down the road.
    Unfortunately I think it's his agent more so than Crabtree.
    Crabtree is young and doesn't know any better.
    I'm sure he thinks he's great and desrving more but how much influence has his agent and parents had on this decision?

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    "faninphx" wrote:
    Boy, talk about being penny wise and pound foolish.
    I'm all for people trying to make as much money as they can but he is losing money everyday he's not playing and diminishing his value to make money down the road.
    He should focus more on trying to land a bigger contract three or four years down the road.
    Unfortunately I think it's his agent more so than Crabtree.
    Crabtree is young and doesn't know any better.
    I'm sure he thinks he's great and desrving more but how much influence has his agent and parents had on this decision?
    they're dumb, because we all know Crabtree won't make more next year.
    He'll probably drop way down.

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    Crabtree needs to learn something most of already know.
    It is a very basic and simple fact of economics.

    Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

    I may think my house is worth $500,000, but if someone is only willing to pay $350,000, that is what it is worth.

    I may think my car is worth $20,000, but if someone is only willing to pony up $12,000, that is its value.

    I may think I am worth $100,000 per year, but my employer (and the market) feels otherwise.

    Crabtree may think he is worth $40 mill, but at the end of the day, he falls into the $20 mill range.

    Guess he missed that simple fact of life.

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    You guys wanting a salary cap for rooks are crazy.
    The players get screwed quite often, why make it easier for the owners to do so?
    I've yet to see one post or opinion ANYWHERE saying how bad it is that the 49er organization don't buck up the money and get this kid on board... yet it's crabtree who's the butthole.
    What about the 49ers?!?!
    Do you really thing the Debartalo family is worse off than the crabtree family?
    Can they not pay him what he's worth?

    Another certain draft pick that fell lower than he should b/c of injury and held out from training camp.
    Anyone remember that from AD?
    Did the savvy businessman Zigi shut down negotiations and say, "Nope, that's it kid.
    I don't care if you were suppose to be top 3."?
    No he didn't.
    He paid up and AD signed.


    Why is denise debartolo being a hard bitch?
    nope, you won't hear those questions.
    Just why isn't crabtree falling in line to make his organization money.


    Debartolo family net worth - ~4.5b

    Crabtree family net worth - ~ 18 dollars and a half a pack of Kool's.

    And you guys are piling on Crabtree because he should be happy with his few millions??

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    "hx38596" wrote:
    You guys wanting a salary cap for rooks are crazy.
    The players get screwed quite often, why make it easier for the owners to do so?
    I've yet to see one post or opinion ANYWHERE saying how bad it is that the 49er organization don't buck up the money and get this kid on board... yet it's crabtree who's the butthole.
    What about the 49ers?!?!
    Do you really thing the Debartalo family is worse off than the crabtree family?
    Can they not pay him what he's worth?

    Another certain draft pick that fell lower than he should b/c of injury and held out from training camp.
    Anyone remember that from AD?
    Did the savvy businessman Zigi shut down negotiations and say, "Nope, that's it kid.
    I don't care if you were suppose to be top 3."?
    No he didn't.
    He paid up and AD signed.


    Why is denise debartolo being a hard bitch?
    nope, you won't hear those questions.
    Just why isn't crabtree falling in line to make his organization money.


    Debartolo family net worth - ~4.5b

    Crabtree family net worth - ~ 18 dollars and a half a pack of Kool's.

    And you guys are piling on Crabtree because he should be happy with his few millions??
    Peterson signed a contract worthy of his draft spot.
    He did not get #3 money, he got #7 money.
    I think you may want to think about that a bit.


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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

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    "hx38596" wrote:
    You guys wanting a salary cap for rooks are crazy.
    The players get screwed quite often, why make it easier for the owners to do so?
    I've yet to see one post or opinion ANYWHERE saying how bad it is that the 49er organization don't buck up the money and get this kid on board... yet it's crabtree who's the butthole.
    What about the 49ers?!?!
    Do you really thing the Debartalo family is worse off than the crabtree family?
    Can they not pay him what he's worth?

    Another certain draft pick that fell lower than he should b/c of injury and held out from training camp.
    Anyone remember that from AD?
    Did the savvy businessman Zigi shut down negotiations and say, "Nope, that's it kid.
    I don't care if you were suppose to be top 3."?
    No he didn't.
    He paid up and AD signed.


    Why is denise debartolo being a hard bitch?
    nope, you won't hear those questions.
    Just why isn't crabtree falling in line to make his organization money.


    Debartolo family net worth - ~4.5b

    Crabtree family net worth - ~ 18 dollars and a half a pack of Kool's.

    And you guys are piling on Crabtree because he should be happy with his few millions??
    Peterson signed a contract worthy of his draft spot.
    He did not get #3 money, he got #7 money.
    I think you may want to think about that a bit.
    Not only that but what job in the world would pay a new kid out of college millions of dollars more than what a solid/productive person in the organization gets paid.
    It is not about the Debartalo's family worth vs Crabtree's worth.
    How is it fair that anyone that hasn't taken a snap in the NFL get paid more than someone that has been an All Pro more than once?
    If there was a salary cap, Crabtree wouldn't be arguing over his contract and he would be on the field playing/practicing as we speak.
    How is what's happening now benefiting anyone?
    His worth is what his organization is willing to pay.
    If he doesn't like it then sit out and wait and see what happens next year.
    What I would do is take the job, work hard then my EXPERIENCE IN THE NFL would tell the 349ers or other organizations what I'm worth.
    Anyway you want to cut it $20million is a hell of a lot more than $0 and most likely it's more than what he will get next year because of his antics.

    Thor is right.
    You may want to re-think about what you are talking about.

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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    Well, let me refresh your memory on his hold out.
    What was the low offer before the hold out?
    What was agreed to so he went to camp?
    None of this is known, but this illustrates my point on negotiations and holding out is good for noone.
    Both sides came together here like they usually do, why can't the 49ers do it instead of LEAVING THE NEGOTIATION TABLE?



    [size=14pt]Adrian Peterson signs with Vikings after 3-day holdout[/size]

    By JON KRAWCZYNSKI
    Published: July 29, 2007

    MANKATO, Minn. (AP) - Running back Adrian Peterson agreed to terms with the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday, ending the seventh overall draft pick's brief three-day holdout.


    Peterson signed a five-year, $40.5 million deal with $17 million in guaranteed money and is expected to be in pads for the team's practice on Monday morning, [size=12pt][size=12pt]
    meaning he will have missed five training camp sessions.
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    Re: Crabtree back to the 2010 draft?

    This whole thing is just silly.
    I don't think he should be allowed to reenter the draft next year.
    The rules should be changed.
    San Fran, or any team that drafts a guy should own his rights for at least 3 years.
    If the guy doesn't like it too bad.

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