Thread: Compensatory Picks ruining the draft balance!!?!??

[size=10pt]NFL draft: Winning when nobody's looking[/size]

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1147431.html

Interesting article...definitely showcases the value to be found in the later rounds.

Meanwhile, the New England Patriots had 41 second-day picks. Five of them, including Tom Brady and Asante Samuel, were starters last year on a team that remains elite even in the shadows of its three Super Bowl titles since 2001.

Better yet, the Indianapolis Colts had 33 second-day picks. Seven of them were starters on the Super Bowl XLI championship team last season, including three offensive linemen. And an eighth starter was a rookie free agent signed after the draft in 2004...

...on Comp picks this year...

The Baltimore Ravens and Patriots each got four. The Colts have three, including one in the third round (98th overall). And the San Diego Chargers, who had the league's best regular-season record, get the very first one (96th overall).

Seems a bit upside down, that playoff teams are getting 4 extra picks while, Vikings, CLE, ARI, HOU got nothing!!!!?
WTF?????????

"Its like the lotto, you got to be in it, to win it!"
The more picks the more chances you have to find a late round gem!!!!!!!
And, since its already a winning team, less pressure to "fix that spot," means more open choices!

I think this is crap!!
Might have to dig deeper!!
Anybody else a little ticked about this?

"mountainviking" wrote:

I think this is crap!!
Might have to dig deeper!!
Anybody else a little ticked about this?

Nope.
Not at all.
Compensatory picks have been a part of the NFL draft since Free Agency started - it's not like this is new news.
There was a farily long discussion of this in a thread about a month ago.
I'll see if I can dig it up.

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"Zeus" wrote:

"mountainviking" wrote:

I think this is crap!!
Might have to dig deeper!!
Anybody else a little ticked about this?

Nope.
Not at all.
Compensatory picks have been a part of the NFL draft since Free Agency started - it's not like this is new news.
There was a farily long discussion of this in a thread about a month ago.
I'll see if I can dig it up.

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Here you go:
some good facts on these picks in here:

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=328 46.0

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It just doesn't make sense to me that four of the best teams in football (SD, NE, IND, BAL)
"lost so much that they need extra picks to get better."
It is their decision who to sign and who to let walk...I think it undermines the entire idea behind the draft...that crappy teams get to pick first, thus helping to improve low talent teams, while making the winning teams make smart decisions about who is left later...

SO, basically, every other year you let a bunch of high priced guys go, and then every other year you get to stock pile like the Pats did this year...Do they get a negative number to carry over to next year???
Look at what they've added in FA, and now they get four extra picks too????

TE Kyle Brady
CB Tory James
CB Eddie Jackson
RB Sammy Morris
WR Donte Stallworth
LB Adalius Thomas
WR Kelley Washington
KR Wes Welker

Bull POO!!

"mountainviking" wrote:

It just doesn't make sense to me that four of the best teams in football (SD, NE, IND, BAL)
"lost so much that they need extra picks to get better."
It is their decision who to sign and who to let walk...I think it undermines the entire idea behind the draft...that crappy teams get to pick first, thus helping to improve low talent teams, while making the winning teams make smart decisions about who is left later...

SO, basically, every other year you let a bunch of high priced guys go, and then every other year you get to stock pile like the Pats did this year...Do they get a negative number to carry over to next year???
Look at what they've added in FA, and now they get four extra picks too????

TE Kyle Brady
CB Tory James
CB Eddie Jackson
RB Sammy Morris
WR Donte Stallworth
LB Adalius Thomas
WR Kelley Washington
KR Wes Welker

Bull POO!!

It's because Kraft was so far up Tags's ass that he got what he wanted....and as long as the other owners put up with that system gaming, it will continue.

"mountainviking" wrote:

It just doesn't make sense to me that four of the best teams in football (SD, NE, IND, BAL)
"lost so much that they need extra picks to get better."
It is their decision who to sign and who to let walk...I think it undermines the entire idea behind the draft...that crappy teams get to pick first, thus helping to improve low talent teams, while making the winning teams make smart decisions about who is left later...

SO, basically, every other year you let a bunch of high priced guys go, and then every other year you get to stock pile like the Pats did this year...Do they get a negative number to carry over to next year???
Look at what they've added in FA, and now they get four extra picks too????

TE Kyle Brady
CB Tory James
CB Eddie Jackson
RB Sammy Morris
WR Donte Stallworth
LB Adalius Thomas
WR Kelley Washington
KR Wes Welker

Bull POO!!

If they can actually make those players work then they will be a extremely good team......Washington is a good example of a team that could make big name free agents work for them.

I think its a little weird that we don't get any extra picks :-

"davike" wrote:

"mountainviking" wrote:

It just doesn't make sense to me that four of the best teams in football (SD, NE, IND, BAL)
"lost so much that they need extra picks to get better."
It is their decision who to sign and who to let walk...I think it undermines the entire idea behind the draft...that crappy teams get to pick first, thus helping to improve low talent teams, while making the winning teams make smart decisions about who is left later...

SO, basically, every other year you let a bunch of high priced guys go, and then every other year you get to stock pile like the Pats did this year...Do they get a negative number to carry over to next year???
Look at what they've added in FA, and now they get four extra picks too????

TE Kyle Brady
CB Tory James
CB Eddie Jackson
RB Sammy Morris
WR Donte Stallworth
LB Adalius Thomas
WR Kelley Washington
KR Wes Welker

Bull POO!!

If they can actually make those players work then they will be a extremely good team......Washington is a good example of a team that could make big name free agents work for them.

I think its a little weird that we don't get any extra picks :-\

Comp picks are based on the previous year's FA.
We had a very, very good FA last year, so it makes sense that we wouldn't have any this year.
To get comp picks, you have to have lost more than you gained in FA.
We will probably not get any next year either, because we didn't really gain or lose anything with this year's FA.

"mountainviking" wrote:

It just doesn't make sense to me that four of the best teams in football (SD, NE, IND, BAL)
"lost so much that they need extra picks to get better."
It is their decision who to sign and who to let walk...I think it undermines the entire idea behind the draft...that crappy teams get to pick first, thus helping to improve low talent teams, while making the winning teams make smart decisions about who is left later...

SO, basically, every other year you let a bunch of high priced guys go, and then every other year you get to stock pile like the Pats did this year...Do they get a negative number to carry over to next year???
Look at what they've added in FA, and now they get four extra picks too????

TE Kyle Brady
CB Tory James
CB Eddie Jackson
RB Sammy Morris
WR Donte Stallworth
LB Adalius Thomas
WR Kelley Washington
KR Wes Welker

Bull POO!!

Compensatory picks in tomorrow's draft are based on LAST SEASON'S free agency movement and have nothing to do with how the players listed above were acquired.

This is what happened for NE in the 2006 off-season, as far as FA movement is concerned.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10091294
NEW ENGLAND
Lost:
Tom Ashworth, Matt Chatham, Andre Davis, Tim Dwight, Christian Fauria, David Givens, Adam Vinatieri


Signed:
Reche Caldwell


I think that 4 picks is not an unreasonable compensation for last season's signings.

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This was already posted;

http://www.purplepride.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=88888912&topic=336 33.0

"NodakPaul" wrote:

Comp picks are based on the previous year's FA.
We had a very, very good FA last year, so it makes sense that we wouldn't have any this year.
To get comp picks, you have to have lost more than you gained in FA.
We will probably not get any next year either, because we didn't really gain or lose anything with this year's FA.

I was thinking about that a bit.

Up front disclaimer:
I don't really know how the system for awarding it works.
I've never seen a better explanation than this:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10091294

Under terms of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in a year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four. The 32 compensatory choices announced today will supplement the 223 choices in the seven rounds of the 2007 NFL Draft (April 28-29). This year, the compensatory picks will be positioned within the third through seventh rounds based on the value of the compensatory free agents lost.

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.

One club this year (Cincinnati) will receive a compensatory pick even though it did not suffer a net loss of compensatory free agents. Under the formula, the compensatory free agents Cincinnati lost were ranked higher than the ones it signed (by a specified point differential based upon salary and performance).

Lost:
Bethel Johnson MIN PHI
Brad Johnson MIN DAL
Fred Smoot MIN WAS
Jason Whittle MIN BUF
Napolean Harris MIN KC
Ross Kolodziej MIN ARI

Added:
Bobby Wade TEN MIN
Cortez Hankton JAX MIN
Vinny Ciurciu CAR MIN
Visanthe Shiancoe NYG MIN
Mike Doss IND MIN

So - if it's *purely* a numbers thing, the Vikings are down 1 (6 lost, 5 added) and that would give them one pick.
I believe the values of the FAs (based on 2007 performance) is then used to determine where that 1 pick goes.

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