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    Chief's violate offseason workout rules.

    POSTED 8:42 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:13 a.m. EDT, May 30, 2006

    CHIEFS' SITE HAS VIDEO OF OFFSEASON CONTACT
    Mike Florio

    For the second time in two years, video posted on the official site of an NFL team could lead to the imposition of penalties for the violation of rules regarding offseason workouts.

    A reader has forwarded to us a link containing highlights from a recent Chiefs' offseason session. Although much of the two-minute, forty-one second clip is innocuous, we saw and heard several things that, in our view, constitute potential violations of the CBA.

    Article XXXV, Section 5 of the CBA states that "[c]ontact work (e.g., 'live' blocking, tackling, pass rushing, bump-and-run) is expressly prohibited in all offseason workouts." Section 5 also incorporates by reference Appendix L to the CBA, which states that there shall be no "live contact." and that "[t]he intensity and tempo of drills should be at a level conducive to learning, with player safety as the highest priority, and not at a level where one player is in a physical contest with another player."

    In fairness to the Chiefs, the language is a bit fuzzy. The CBA seems to imply, for example, that contact that isn't "live" is okay. With that said, what's the line between "live" and "non-live" contact?

    The highlight package available on the Chief's site shows near the end of the reel excerpts from two plays that seem to pass the "I know it when I see it" test for "live" action.

    There are also a couple of instances of what looks to be full-speed bump-and-run coverage, along with this quote from coach Herm Edwards:

    "I just wanna make sure what we're teaching them in the classroom, we teach them on the grass, at the tempo that they can learn it, and then we ask them to go fast. I think if we can do those three repeatedly, we've got a chance to be successful."

    Edwards later mentions "going fast," and in context it's obvious that he's referring not to training camp, but to offseason drills.

    Since Edwards wants his players to "go fast" and since there's evidence of contact while guys are apparently "going fast," our guess is that the Chiefs have crossed the line -- and that the NFL and the NFLPA should be scrutinizing the video very carefully, and asking the team for all other video generated during the sessions.

    In 2005, the Redskins were busted by the league and the players' union after posting on the team's official site video of contact drills between linemen.

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    Re: Chief's violate offseason workout rules.

    I think teams should be able to practice all year round. If my team is training due to dedication, and you decide to let your team sluff off, then thats your problem.

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    Re: Chief's violate offseason workout rules.

    Practice OK, but I agree on the (no) full-contact date. These athletes would have even more "shortened careers" if contact was year around.
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    Re: Chief's violate offseason workout rules.

    Offseason contact is a bad Idea, because you have 4 preseason games, 16 regular games, the 3 to 4 playoff games, all the practices during the season. These guys would die if you allow full htting during the hot summer months.

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    Re: Chief's violate offseason workout rules.

    POSTED 11:20 a.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 12:46 p.m. EDT, May 30, 2006

    CHIEFS CLEAN UP MINICAMP VIDEO CLIP
    Mike Florio

    Roughly two hours after we posted a story regarding the presence of seemingly "live" contact in video highlights of a recent Chiefs' minicamp, the highlights have curiously been edited to remove content that arguably violates the CBA rules regarding offseason workouts.

    Specifically, the two segments near the end of the clip that looked like full-speed running plays have been replaced with other footage. Also, a shot of what clearly appeared to be full-speed bump-and-run pass coverage is gone.

    Though some might regard the move as an effort by the team to avoid any problems that might arise due to the vague and fuzzy language contained in Article XXXV of the CBA and Appendix L thereto, others might view it as an implicit admission that the footage proves that the Chiefs have gone too far with the intensity of their workouts.

    Based on everything we've heard over the past few years, we are convinced that most if not all teams are breaking the rules prohibiting contact during the offseason. As one league source said on Tuesday morning, "Because the rule is fairly vague, teams will always find a way to push the envelope."

    It seems, however, that the NFLPA isn't nearly as aggressive in policing this practice as it should be. Indeed, the only time that the union acts is when players complain -- or when the violation is so obvious that the union can't ignore it.

    But every team videotapes every rep of every practice. And since mandatory minicamps are fully open to the media, local television stations should have plenty of evidence of the degree of contact, too.

    Really, why should players have to risk retaliation from the coaching staff and/or their teammates by complaining about things that easily could be detected if the NFLPA would institute an affirmative effort to review tapes from minicamp practices? The mere existence of a mandatory, random film review protocol would go a long way toward getting every team to comply.

    Otherwise, the rules aimed at protecting the rank-and-file in the offseason are worthless to the very dues-paying rank-and-file that the rules are supposed to be protecting.

    Our suggestion, in light of the absence of meaningful enforcement? Let 'em put the pads on during the offseason.

    It might actually keep the players safer.

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    A CALL TO ARMS

    In an effort to compel the NFL, its member teams, and the NFLPA to address what appears to be blatant disregard of CBA rules prohibiting contact during offseason workouts, we encourage all readers to look for and to send to us any photos, video clips, or other evidence that shows NFL teams engaged in contact drills during minicamps and OTAs.

    As previously explained, Article XXXV, Section 5 of the CBA says that "[c]ontact work (e.g., 'live' blocking, tackling, pass rushing, bump-and-run) is expressly prohibited in all offseason workouts." Section 5 also incorporates by reference Appendix L to the CBA, which states that there shall be no "live contact," and that "[t]he intensity and tempo of drills should be at a level conducive to learning, with player safety as the highest priority, and not at a level where one player is in a physical contest with another player."

    Our first submission comes from our own TacoBill, who found still images from the Chiefs' most recent minicamp at wireimage.com.



    We realize that still photos can be misleading, since they don't reveal speed or intensity. But if the teams are required to conduct drills "with player safety as the highest priority" and to avoid situations "where one player is in a physical contest with another player," the game of "mercy" playing out in the picture on the right surely crosses the line.

    And there's surely more evidence of other violations out there. When you find them, let us know.

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    Re: Chief's violate offseason workout rules.

    I think allowing for contact throughout the offseason would help teams and players considerably. Its not like every practice would be full contact, probably not even half. During the season teams rarely practice with full pads and full contact. The reason I think it would be a good idea is for the developement of young players and those players learning a new system. Because you never really know if you know what your doing until you pull it off in a gamelike situation. Coaches and owners are smarter than people give them credit for, these guys would not put there million dollar investment in positions to get hurt or have their careers shortened.

    I think it is harder on people's bodies to go from full contact during the season to no contact in the off season, and then back to full contact. Maintaining a small number of full contact sessions would help keep players aclimated to full contact football, and save everybody from inneccessary wear and tear.

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