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    Re: Brian Williams

    The Brian Williams is > then Smoot argument will never be prooven because they are two completely different style of players. This is how the three break down A-Will, Smoot, B-Williams


    Smoot from 2002 - Present

    211 Tackles: not to shabby for a mouthy coverage corner
    0 Sacks: Not surprising he doesn't have it in him
    12 Ints: There are definately better in the league, not on our team.
    0 TDs: This stat doesn't mean much.
    33 Pass Def: Here's his bread and butter, he must be starvin this year.
    3 Forced Fumbles: Epic

    Smoot is not physical, even when he tries to jam he is still not under control. He is a pure coverage corner, that is what he sells himself as that is what he is. This year he is being abused by Ted's system.


    Antoine from 2002 - Present

    295 Tackles: He is a LB in a CB's body
    1 Sack: For being a great physical player this stat is lacking.
    6 Ints: Not too bad, not great but he can make plays.
    0 TD's: Again pointless stat.
    24 Pass Def: really not too bad, the guy is above average.
    4 Forced Fumbles: Not surprising he is physical and hits solid.

    Winfield is almost always under control. Unlike Smoot he makes solid formed tackles he isn't throwing his body around carelessly he knows how to tackle. People always suggest this guy for the pro-bowl. He's not great at coverage, never has been, never pretended to be.

    B-Williams from 2002 - Present

    212 Tackles: More then Smoot with less games played.
    4 Sacks: He can make a game changing play behind the line.
    8 Ints: More then Winfield a few less then Smoot.
    1 TD: Pointless stat worth 6 points this time.
    25 Pass def: Better then Winfield not up to par with Smoot
    6 Forced Fumbles: Nice, above average for a CB.

    For someone to say he couldn't start on any other team is crazy talk. When he hits free agency he will have no trouble finding a job. He is more rounded more versatile then Winfield and Smoot. They are specialists and he is good at everything. This is where it gets funny. Being a blue collar football player doesn't win you time on ESPN. That's the only reason you get these arguments.

    He has more sacks then our CB's he has more Forced Fumbles and he can hold his own in pass coverage. You wouldn't want to leave him to hang, hell you wouldn't want to leave Smoot to hang apparently either. You need that threat on a football team. Your going to blitz pansy ass smoot? I don't think so.

    He has the ability to make plays, he has the ability to apply pressure and he is a very good asset to our team. All three are to an extent. They are all different and all serve a roll. Lately B-Wills roll has been scapegoat for Madden playing Smoot/Winfield Fanbois

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    We should move BWill to strong safety...he is built like a safety, he hits like a safety...maybe he should be a safety?
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    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    We should move BWill to strong safety...he is built like a safety, he hits like a safety...maybe he should be a safety?
    Ditto!
    If that is the case we should move Winfield to saftey as well.

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    Re: Brian Williams

    B-Will is where he should be on this team, a versatile nickelback. He's a great 3 corner with playmaking ability and better then a lot of starting corners. He is not the same cover guy as Smoot. Steve Smith 1on1 with B-Will (okay it couldn't have got much worse), but he would have been flamed all day as well.

    I agree largely with your breakdown on the 3 corners, but no way I put B-Will in AW's league as a tackler. AW stops a lot of 3rd down plays from being first downs with his ability to bring people down in space. AW is not the greatest cover guy (doesn't have the speed) but he is solid, this guy brings a toughness on the field that has a lot of intangibles.

    2 plays stand out for me yesterday with B-Will, one was when he knocked the ball from Harrington and the other was when he got burned by a slow Lion's receiver.

    He's a solid corner that is versatile, but not outstanding in any single category.

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    All three are decent corners who would probably be better without Ted Cotrell. I would hope we could lock up Williams long term to be our nickel back but I think we will have to replace him. By the Del Rio you don't need to ream Smoot to make Williams look good most people on here know that Williams is a decent CB you don't need to argue that Smoot is overpaid or overated just to get that point known we know that Williams is good.
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    There is no reason to move any of these corners to safety. All three are gonna get burned over and over again in Cotrell's "Island" system. All three are very capable corners and all three overall do their jobs effectively and well. I would love to have all three for years to come, but I cannot see Williams sticking around with the money he will be able to demand on the market.

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    There is a reason the 3-4 is very rare and it isn't because it takes super awesome talent to run it, it is because any team with a good offensive cordinator can destroy it. Switching in and out of the 3-4 may work sometimes, but as we have seen first hand it can hurt you just as bad. One poorly called blitz and you will be seeing the backside of the RB as he scampers away.
    What the hell are you smokin? First off...more teams than ever are using the 3-4...secondly? hello? The steelers defense? or how about last year when the Ravens played in a 3-4? Are you saying that these were just flukes? These were great defenses (and are)...to say that any smart offensive coordinator can tear it apart is just plain dumb. It's got holes, just like any defense...and I wouldn't say it's any better than a 4-3 (no worse either). (also, since you have another person to effectively send at the quarterback free, it can result on getting more pressure on the QB, since it can confuse defensive blocking schemes) it just matters on your personel...but it turns out...we have a good number of 3-4 personel (Sam Cowart, Keith Newman, Pat Williams to name the most prominent) on our roster. (also, to say Kevin Williams wouldn't have the mental ability to adjust to an outside position is flat wrong. Remember where he started most of his rookie year? college? That's right...defensive end)

    You people...Brian Williams is not an above average corner...and you put to much emphasize on getting burnt. it's not that's he's getting beat for long touchdowns...those are only the things that stand out...it's that he's constantly out of position to make plays in the passing game...why do you think tight ends eat us alive in passing situations? Brian Williams is the one stuck on them.

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    There is a reason the 3-4 is very rare and it isn't because it takes super awesome talent to run it, it is because any team with a good offensive cordinator can destroy it. Switching in and out of the 3-4 may work sometimes, but as we have seen first hand it can hurt you just as bad. One poorly called blitz and you will be seeing the backside of the RB as he scampers away.
    What the hell are you smokin? First off...more teams than ever are using the 3-4...secondly? hello? The steelers defense? or how about last year when the Ravens played in a 3-4? Are you saying that these were just flukes? These were great defenses (and are)...to say that any smart offensive coordinator can tear it apart is just plain dumb. It's got holes, just like any defense...and I wouldn't say it's any better than a 4-3 (no worse either). (also, since you have another person to effectively send at the quarterback free, it can result on getting more pressure on the QB, since it can confuse defensive blocking schemes) it just matters on your personel...but it turns out...we have a good number of 3-4 personel (Sam Cowart, Keith Newman, Pat Williams to name the most prominent) on our roster. (also, to say Kevin Williams wouldn't have the mental ability to adjust to an outside position is flat wrong. Remember where he started most of his rookie year? college? That's right...defensive end)

    You people...Brian Williams is not an above average corner...and you put to much emphasize on getting burnt. it's not that's he's getting beat for long touchdowns...those are only the things that stand out...it's that he's constantly out of position to make plays in the passing game...why do you think tight ends eat us alive in passing situations? Brian Williams is the one stuck on them.
    You are frickin slow arent you. There are about three teams using the 3-4 right now regularly, and only one team that is very succesful with it ... Pittsburgh ... and that is because they have solid BLITZING personell, which we do not. The Ravens were succesful with it because they had LEWIS, BOULWARE and SHARPER running around along with great cover corners in Starks and McAllister ... we are nowhere near that talented.
    K. Williams is obviously a more effective player in the 4-3, as you said earlier, anyone who watches games would know that!
    Tight ends burn us because Cotrell runs idiot schemes that ZONE all but the outside corners so that the middle is open to any intelligent TE that can find a hole. By the way ... in Cotrell's defense, the safeties are responsible for the TE 95 percent of the time, which anyone who watches would know.
    Ugh, some people are so obnoxious. You come on here and back nothing up and attack someone as respected as Del Rio? Pro scouts, upper managment and agents can tell you that Williams is a solid corner who will garner a TON of interest, what makes you so damn smart that they are wrong?

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    Re: Brian Williams

    "Del Rio" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    We should move BWill to strong safety...he is built like a safety, he hits like a safety...maybe he should be a safety?
    Ditto!
    If that is the case we should move Winfield to saftey as well.
    Nah...let's just leave AW where he is...but I do believe that BWill would make a better safety...not because of a lack of skills at CB, but more because of his hitting ability.
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    Pro scouts, upper managment and agents can tell you that Williams is a solid corner who will garner a TON of interest, what makes you so gol 'darnit smart that they are wrong?
    Okay...care to cite some sort of source?

    Second...I think you're forgetting New England as well...a very effective 3-4 (and a DT that made the switch to DE, Richard Seymour, anchoring it). But to cite the teams that use it...that would be the 49ers (Using pro-bowl DT Bryant Young at DE, who currently leads the NFL in sacks), the San Diego Chargers, the Dallas Cowboys (which also are putting up fantastic defensive numbers), The Cleveland Browns, The Patriots and Steelers of course, and the Miami Dolphins. The Denver Broncos and New York Giants also use a good amount of the 3-4 defense and I know theres one or two I'm forgetting (edit: Oakland and Houston too and the Redskins have used some 3-4 packages, although no where near as much as their primary defense, this year). The point is...it's more popular now than it has been since the late 70s. To say it's out of style is ridiculous and to say any gifted o coordinator would rip it to shreds obviously didn't watch the last few superbowls (where I believe 3 of the 4 were won by the New England Patriots, a team based around ball control and defense, won with a 3-4 defense) (edit: sidenote, Jamie Sharper left before Baltimore decided to switch to a 3-4)



    You misunderstand the point...I'm not saying we should run the 3-4...we don't have the linebacking personnel to do it and we need another stout D end (although Darrion Scott, if he develops, could become a very good D end in a 3-4 scheme). But to utterly through it out is stupid and if we would of committed to making a 3-4 team from the offseason (seeing as we have a 3-4 Defensive coordinator that, where else he's gone, has been able to create top ten defenses) then we would be doing better

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