Bradshaw makes Jab on Pepp.

**Gift** · 03-18-2006, 06:01 AM

"VikesfaninWis" wrote:

Funny how Joe's stats came from his KC days

Those were the terms of the person I was replying to, pleae read my post. I stated C-pep was NO Montana.

**vikingsbenchwarmer** · 03-18-2006, 06:02 AM

"VikesfaninWis" wrote:

Pepp turned on everyone in Minnesota, long before we turned on him. Funny how Joe's stats came from his KC days, you know the end of his career. Daunte couldn't hold Montana's jock if you are comparing prime vs prime.. Montana was smarter, threw less int's, and didn't fumble anywhere near as much as Pepp. Plus he had the respect of his team, and was a leader..

Miami eventually will turn on him

**Caine** · 03-18-2006, 08:29 AM

"Gift" wrote:

"sodaknick" wrote:

An old and slow Montana did a better job in KC with half the team he had in San Fran than Culpepper has ever done!

He is no Monatana, but this statement doesn't jive with the statistics.

Joe's in KC
Year TM -- | G | Comp | Att | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
| 1993 kan | 11 | 181 | 298 | 60.7% | 2144 | 7.2 | 13 7
| 1994 kan | 14 | 299 | 493 | 60.6% | 3283 | 6.7 | 16 9

Daunte's Best
Year TM -- | G | Att | Comp | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
2000 Vikes| 16 | 474 | 297 | 62.7% | 3937 | 8.31 | 33 | 16
2004 Vikes| 16 | 548 | 379 | 69.2% | 4717 | 8.61 | 39 | 11

DC served Vikings fans well for the most part, silly how some turned :evil:

How is it even remotely fair to take Montana's two years in KC and compare them to Culpepper's two best years? They are non-consequtive.

Taking an average of Daunte's Minnesota Career, and the numbers of Montana's stint in KC, you find the following:

ON AVERAGE:

Attempts:
Daunte = 434.5
Montana = 395

Completions:
Daunte = 280
Montana = 240

Completion Percentage:
Daunte = 64.4%
Montana = 60.65

Yards:
Daunte = 3360.3
Montana = 2713.5

TDS:
Daunte = 23
Montana = 15

INTs:
Daunte = 14.3
Montana = 8

Also, look at win-loss records:

In '93, KC went 11-5. In '94 they went 9-7. That's a 10-6 average (Even though Joe only played in 25 games due to injury).

Eliminating last seasons stats (because we KNOW Daunte's 2-5 record there will skew the numbers), Daunte managed only an 8-8 record over the course of his Minnesota career (2000-2004). If I toss in last seasons stats entirely, the average remains at 8-8.

So, while Daunte threw up better (flashier) numbers with more attempts, more yards, and more TDs, he also turned the ball over more (A LOT more), and failed to win as much.

Bottom line, Montana was a WAAAAAY better QB than Culpepper. Hands down.

Caine

**Gift** · 03-18-2006, 08:36 AM

"Caine" wrote:

"Gift" wrote:

"sodaknick" wrote:

An old and slow Montana did a better job in KC with half the team he had in San Fran than Culpepper has ever done!

He is no Monatana, but this statement doesn't jive with the statistics.

Joe's in KC
Year TM -- | G | Comp | Att | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
| 1993 kan | 11 | 181 | 298 | 60.7% | 2144 | 7.2 | 13 7
| 1994 kan | 14 | 299 | 493 | 60.6% | 3283 | 6.7 | 16 9

Daunte's Best
Year TM -- | G | Att | Comp | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
2000 Vikes| 16 | 474 | 297 | 62.7% | 3937 | 8.31 | 33 | 16
2004 Vikes| 16 | 548 | 379 | 69.2% | 4717 | 8.61 | 39 | 11

DC served Vikings fans well for the most part, silly how some turned :evil:

How is it even remotely fair to take Montana's two years in KC and compare them to Culpepper's two best years? They are non-consequtive.

Again, I was responding only to someones specific statement saying that Joe was better in KC than daunte was ever. I showed the stats following the exact terms that were mentioned. Turns out that statement wasn't true.

**Caine** · 03-18-2006, 08:39 AM

"Gift" wrote:

"Caine" wrote:

"Gift" wrote:

"sodaknick" wrote:

An old and slow Montana did a better job in KC with half the team he had in San Fran than Culpepper has ever done!

He is no Monatana, but this statement doesn't jive with the statistics.

Joe's in KC
Year TM -- | G | Comp | Att | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
| 1993 kan | 11 | 181 | 298 | 60.7% | 2144 | 7.2 | 13 7
| 1994 kan | 14 | 299 | 493 | 60.6% | 3283 | 6.7 | 16 9

Daunte's Best
Year TM -- | G | Att | Comp | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
2000 Vikes| 16 | 474 | 297 | 62.7% | 3937 | 8.31 | 33 | 16
2004 Vikes| 16 | 548 | 379 | 69.2% | 4717 | 8.61 | 39 | 11

DC served Vikings fans well for the most part, silly how some turned :evil:

How is it even remotely fair to take Montana's two years in KC and compare them to Culpepper's two best years? They are non-consequtive.

Again, I was responding to someones specific statement saying that Joe was better in KC than daunte was ever. Turns out that staement wasn't true.

Oh, I see, you took the term "EVER" and decided to base your conclusions upon only the best Daunte had performed.

C'mon!!!

Taken as a whole, Daunte was not, is not, and never will be as good as Montana. Montana won...he FOUND ways to win. Daunte just rode a good offense to great stats...we saw proof of that last season.

Caine

**Vikes** · 03-18-2006, 08:46 AM

Bradshaw does not follow players that close.

**Gift** · 03-18-2006, 08:48 AM

"Caine" wrote:

"Gift" wrote:

"Caine" wrote:

"Gift" wrote:

"sodaknick" wrote:

An old and slow Montana did a better job in KC with half the team he had in San Fran than Culpepper has ever done!

He is no Monatana, but this statement doesn't jive with the statistics.

Joe's in KC
Year TM -- | G | Comp | Att | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
| 1993 kan | 11 | 181 | 298 | 60.7% | 2144 | 7.2 | 13 7
| 1994 kan | 14 | 299 | 493 | 60.6% | 3283 | 6.7 | 16 9

Daunte's Best
Year TM -- | G | Att | Comp | PCT | YD | Y/A | TD\INT |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----
2000 Vikes| 16 | 474 | 297 | 62.7% | 3937 | 8.31 | 33 | 16
2004 Vikes| 16 | 548 | 379 | 69.2% | 4717 | 8.61 | 39 | 11

DC served Vikings fans well for the most part, silly how some turned :evil:

How is it even remotely fair to take Montana's two years in KC and compare them to Culpepper's two best years? They are non-consequtive.

Again, I was responding to someones specific statement saying that Joe was better in KC than daunte was ever. Turns out that staement wasn't true.

Oh, I see, you took the term "EVER" and decided to base your conclusions upon only the best Daunte had performed.

C'mon!!!

Taken as a whole, Daunte was not, is not, and never will be as good as Montana. Montana won...he FOUND ways to win. Daunte just rode a good offense to great stats...we saw proof of that last season.

Caine

How else was I to understand his use of "Ever"? And as for your last statement we were never in disagreement. The fist thing I said was DC is no Joe Montana, but imo "Joe in KC" was no Joe Montana either.

**threepete21** · 03-18-2006, 04:12 PM

Go Terry, say it like it is. As for Culpepper having a year that statistically puts any of Bradshaws to shame, I believe the man has won some RINGS, and isn't that what we are all in it for.

**PackSux!** · 03-18-2006, 04:21 PM

"PurpleRide" wrote:

Leadership problems being on the boat? Come on! I guess your a criminal if you get a lap dance these days. So what if pep had moss, well montana had rice, so that means montana can't be considered one of the best of all time according to him...He's the reason I can't watch fox pregame.

No it is not wrong for Daunte to get a lap dance, but when it happened on ed and edna's boat it was wrong. Not to mention there were minors on the boat. A true leader of a football team wouldnt of gotten himself in that position to begin with. So i agree that daunte wasnt a leader, Matt birk wasnt there, He is way more of a leader then Daunte ever will be.

**Freya** · 03-18-2006, 04:22 PM

"VikesfaninWis" wrote:

Daunte Culpepper took a hit from Hall of Fame quarterback Terry Bradshaw during a Thursday interview on 790 The Ticket. "I am not sold on him being a top quarterback," said Bradshaw, an NFL analyst for Fox Sports. "I never was really. ... His best years were with [former Vikings wide receiver] Randy Moss. "Plus, we have the leadership problems now being on the boat. Quarterbacking entails maturity level, teamwork, keeping teammates together and having the respect of them. There's a lot of mending to do here."

Depending on the person, this is either hilarious, or not funny at all.

Bradshaw on Culpepper

Oh yeh, Bradshaw........... I spose you think that arrogance works much better, eh?
Ooops, I guess I'm still living in the 70's.